What should be done with the New Orleans monuments recently removed?

[radcen]

What should be done with the New Orleans monuments recently removed?

I believe they are simply in storage right now.

 

[Skeptic Bob]

Ideally they should go to museums. But there may not be space for large memorials so failing that sell or donate them to 3rd parties.

 

[Hari Seldon]

I like the museum idea. Out door museum / park if needed. Add some to the Smithsonian grounds in DC. Be seen by a lot of people.

 

[reinoe]

The scum who were raising hell about keeping monuments to these traitorous in public eye should have been raising money to purchase them. The city of New Orleans should auction off these testaments to hatred, and if nobody wants to pay an appropriate price they should be destroyed. No need for taxpayers to pay for storage for this trash.

 

[radcen]

I like the museum idea. I hadn't thought of that. Would have to be a private museum, though, or else we'd be back to square one with protests, etc.

 

[Beaudreaux]

What should be done with the New Orleans monuments recently removed?

I believe they are simply in storage right now.

If they can't be put back where they were because of political cowardice and/or a 150 year old need for revenge and/or a need to placate certain groups to prevent uncivilized unrest, then put them in a public museum where they can still be viewed by the citizens of this country. We shouldn't hide from our history, good or bad, and we shouldn't hide our history from our children, good or bad. The people portrayed in those monuments did positive for this country, as well as the negative that is being used as the reason to remove them from public view.

In a previous thread, I asked the question - What about the other statues and monuments in this country that portray slave owners, like the Jefferson Memorial, or the Washington Monument, or the name of the UC Capital City, or the same of states, counties, cities, schools, etc. What about other monuments that depict people that acted against other people than just the blacks? Like Roger's Rangers' monument in New York? Or dozens of other statues and monuments?

Where does this insanity end? We cannot bleach our history and pretend it didn't happen. And, we cannot change the minds of millions of Americans that, although against slavery and the ultimate cause of the Civil War, have family histories intertwined within the statues, monuments, and history that is being pulled up by its foundation and causing millions to be angered because they may feel as though their history and they personally are being attacked as if they themselves were slave holders or rebels and traitors to this country.

This is PC culture gone too far. And unless it changes, old fires will rekindle and otherwise good people may rise up to stop it by whatever means is required.

You can't continue to punch a people down without them eventually punching back.

 

[Linc]

The scum who were raising hell about keeping monuments to these traitorous in public eye should have been raising money to purchase them. The city of New Orleans should auction off these testaments to hatred, and if nobody wants to pay an appropriate price they should be destroyed. No need for taxpayers to pay for storage for this trash.

trump voters in the south disagree with you .

 

[shrubnose]

Eventually they could be displayed in a White Supremacist museum with similar artifacts.

 

[shrubnose]

If they can't be put back where they were

because of political cowardice and/or a 150 year old need for revenge and/or a need to placate certain groups to prevent uncivilized unrest, then put them in a public museum where they can still be viewed by the citizens of this country. We shouldn't hide from our history, good or bad, and we shouldn't hide our history from our children, good or bad. The people portrayed in those monuments did positive for this country, as well as the negative that is being used as the reason to remove them from public view.

In a previous thread, I asked the question - What about the other statues and monuments in this country that portray slave owners, like the Jefferson Memorial, or the Washington Monument, or the name of the UC Capital City, or the same of states, counties, cities, schools, etc. What about other monuments that depict people that acted against other people than just the blacks? Like Roger's Rangers' monument in New York? Or dozens of other statues and monuments?

Where does this insanity end? We cannot bleach our history and pretend it didn't happen. And, we cannot change the minds of millions of Americans that, although against slavery and the ultimate cause of the Civil War, have family histories intertwined within the statues, monuments, and history that is being pulled up by its foundation and causing millions to be angered because they may feel as though their history and they personally are being attacked as if they themselves were slave holders or rebels and traitors to this country.

This is PC culture gone too far. And unless it changes, old fires will rekindle and otherwise good people may rise up to stop it by whatever means is required.

You can't continue to punch a people down without them eventually punching back.

They won't be put back and the South won't be rising again,either.

Wait and see.

:lol:

 

[Kal'Stang]

They won't be put back and the South won't be rising again,either.

Wait and see.

:lol:

Why is it that this is always said? No one is claiming such. Or do people just like to make partisan hack points for their fellow partisan hacks to see?

 

[Kal'Stang]

What should be done with the New Orleans monuments recently removed?

I believe they are simply in storage right now.

I voted other. Put them in a public museum.

 

[ecofarm]

I like the museum idea. I hadn't thought of that. Would have to be a private museum, though, or else we'd be back to square one with protests, etc.

There are plenty of public museums of the Confederacy. No one protests them.

The problem was putting a glorification of those who fought to enslave blacks in a place of honor, town square even. What is the state saying to blacks by doing this?

Change context from glorification and honor to museum, no problem.

Why is it that this is always said? No one is claiming such. Or do people just like to make partisan hack points for their fellow partisan hacks to see?

He's referring to those chiding: "those who forget history are doomed repeat it". That happened in other threads about this. As if these monuments are all we have to learn about the Confederacy. As if it will not longer be taught in public school. And as if, as a result, history will repeat itself.

 

[Kal'Stang]

He's referring to those chiding: "those who forget history are doomed repeat it". That happened in other threads about this. As if these monuments are all we have to learn about the Confederacy. As if it will not longer be taught in public school. And as if, as a result, history will repeat itself.

And that is a true saying. But if what you say is true then he would have to be taking the saying WAY too literally. That or he's just completely ignorant of history. Don't know which.

 

[chromium]

Dumped at the site of a former slave market, for every black person to piss on

Then some fireworks

 

[PoS]

Sell it at auction and give the proceeds to taxpayers.

 

[Beaudreaux]

They won't be put back and the South won't be rising again,either.

Wait and see.

:lol:

I have no doubt that they will not be put back. Not for a few generations anyway. Also... No one said anything about the "South rising again."

Give the BS rhetoric a break.

We are one country, one people. The quicker the left comes to that conclusion and stops trying to segregate and divide us with their PC BS like hyphenated Americans and tearing down our collective history, then all the better for the country.

Have you ever even thought that the most obvious example of dividing Americans is when you guys divide the term American with a hyphenated qualifier like Black-American, White-American, Hispanic-American, African-America, Mexican-American, etc.??? We're just Americans.

Even those that were part of the Civil War were given a Presidential Pardon and then recognized by an act of Congress to be American veterans.

You'd think after over 150 years, that you folks would be over all that emotional baggage.

 

[Linc]

I have no doubt that they will not be put back. Not for a few generations anyway. Also... No one said anything about the "South rising again."

Give the BS rhetoric a break.

We are one country, one people. The quicker the left comes to that conclusion and stops trying to segregate and divide us with their PC BS like hyphenated Americans and tearing down our collective history, then all the better for the country.

Have you ever even thought that the most obvious example of dividing Americans is when you guys divide the term American with a hyphenated qualifier like Black-American, White-American, Hispanic-American, African-America, Mexican-American, etc.??? We're just Americans.

Even those that were part of the Civil War were given a Presidential Pardon and then recognized by an act of Congress to be American veterans.

You'd think after over 150 years, that you folks would be over all that emotional baggage.

Remember when I told you of the Veteran's Home in Quincy, IL? 4th oldest in the USA in 1884; 205 acre sprawling facility to take in Civil War Veterans from both sides; incredibly beautiful murals in great rooms; this was my Dad's first VA Home until we could get him closer up in northern Illinois .

 

[Linc]

I have no doubt that they will not be put back. Not for a few generations anyway. Also... No one said anything about the "South rising again."

Give the BS rhetoric a break.

We are one country, one people. The quicker the left comes to that conclusion and stops trying to segregate and divide us with their PC BS like hyphenated Americans and tearing down our collective history, then all the better for the country.

Have you ever even thought that the most obvious example of dividing Americans is when you guys divide the term American with a hyphenated qualifier like Black-American, White-American, Hispanic-American, African-America, Mexican-American, etc.??? We're just Americans.

Even those that were part of the Civil War were given a Presidential Pardon and then recognized by an act of Congress to be American veterans.

You'd think after over 150 years, that you folks would be over all that emotional baggage.

Politically, the south most certainly rose again since Obama was elected. Consider that the 14 southern states went 170-13 for trump. The GOP has a 23-5 senate edge in the 14 southern states; a 113-42 edge in the house; all 28 state legislative chambers; and 10 of 14 governors.

It actually gets worse in the 13 plains and mountain west states; the GOP has now made serious inroads into the 8 Midwest states; all the DEMs have left are the 5 far west and 10 northeast states ;

 

[shrubnose]

Why is it that this is always said?

No one is claiming such. Or do people just like to make partisan hack points for their fellow partisan hacks to see?

If you don't agree come back and tell us all about it in about 50 years after massive demographic change reduces non-Hispanic Whites to a minority of the USA's population.

:lol:


"Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself." ~ Robert Green Ingersoll

 

[shrubnose]

I have no doubt that they will not be put back. Not for a few generations anyway. Also...

No one said anything about the "South rising again."

Give the BS rhetoric a break.

We are one country, one people. The quicker the left comes to that conclusion and stops trying to segregate and divide us with their PC BS like hyphenated Americans and tearing down our collective history, then all the better for the country.

Have you ever even thought that the most obvious example of dividing Americans is when you guys divide the term American with a hyphenated qualifier like Black-American, White-American, Hispanic-American, African-America, Mexican-American, etc.??? We're just Americans.

Even those that were part of the Civil War were given a Presidential Pardon and then recognized by an act of Congress to be American veterans.

You'd think after over 150 years, that you folks would be over all that emotional baggage.

I spent some time with my father's family in Nashville,Tennessee and I heard that exact statement many times.I also saw water fountains with signs saying: 'White only'.

You are out of touch with reality.

 

[Kal'Stang]

If you don't agree come back and tell us all about it in about 50 years after massive demographic change reduces non-Hispanic Whites to a minority of the USA's population.

:lol:


"Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself." ~ Robert Green Ingersoll

Thanks for proving my point.

 

[JamesBY]

The statues should be cleaned and repaired, where necessary, then curated and exhibited in Museums as educational artifacts of a gone by era that still affects us today.

 

[reinoe]

trump voters in the south disagree with you .

Yes those Democrats disagree but I don't care what they think on this issue. They can have their Civil War roleplaying session with a shiny new statue.

 

[Rogue Valley]

The statues should probably be transported to a museum, preferably the Smithsonian in Washington D.C. or The National Civil War Museum in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.

Confederate President Jefferson Davis and Gens. P.G.T. Beauregard and Robert E. Lee are indeed historical figures, but such historical figures should not be equated to or conflated with patriots.

Also removed was a monument 'memorializing' an 1874 deadly and white Reconstruction attack on an integrated police force. This 'commemorative' should be melted-down/re-purposed.

 

[Beaudreaux]

Remember when I told you of the Veteran's Home in Quincy, IL? 4th oldest in the USA in 1884; 205 acre sprawling facility to take in Civil War Veterans from both sides; incredibly beautiful murals in great rooms; this was my Dad's first VA Home until we could get him closer up in northern Illinois .

I do. I remember well. Thanks for sharing that.