What no one is mentioning about the Mueller Report to still protect Hilary Clinton

[Kobie]

No one is mentioning that the Mueller report found that Hilary Clinton's "recklessness" and violating national security laws with an unsecure server resulted in Russia hacking her email account, which according to Comey had national security secrets. Her violation of law resulting in Russia (and who knows who else) learning American national security secrets.

Hilary Clinton violating federal law put national security secrets into the hands of Russia. That is huge, yet no one mentions that fact. Why? To keep protecting Hilary Clinton?

Why lie so brazenly?

 

[Praxas]

It must suck to make Bob Mueller out to be the harbinger of truth, and then he doesn't deliver the "truth" you wanted.

So you’ve read the entire report huh? Oh wait you haven’t so your just posting your usual partisan dishonesty. BTW the conclusions of non obstruction were made by Barr and Rosenstein, not mueller. But then you would know that if your head wasn’t buried in the sand.

 

[tres borrachos]

Not that it's my discussion, but DOJ has not exonerated either Clinton or Trump. Declining to pursue charges is not the same as exonerating. Clinton was not charged because the FBI/DOJ felt a case could not stand. That does not mean her actions were completely legal, only that they could not, in good faith, bring a prosecution they did not feel would get a conviction.

Trump also was not exonerated, as Barr's summary only looked at two very narrow interpretations of collusion, and not the broader idea which has been alleged (and confirmed through multiple Mueller indictments and sentencing memos).

Again, I know I'm jumping into a discussion I haven't followed closely, so my apologies if it shows, but the DOJ has not exonerated Trump or Clinton, only declined to press charges.

Someone gets it.

If this exonerated Trump, then Clinton was also exonerated. If she was not exonerated then neither was he.

The reality is that neither one of them was but the Trump supporters are certainly making the claim that he was.

 

[Cramer]

Someone gets it.

If this exonerated Trump, then Clinton was also exonerated. If she was not exonerated then neither was he.

The reality is that neither one of them was but the Trump supporters are certainly making the claim that he was.

Which is odd, as the summary specifically states Trump was NOT exonerated.

Reading is hard.

 

[tres borrachos]

Which is odd, as the summary specifically states Trump was NOT exonerated.

Reading is hard.

In Trump Fan Nation, reading above a 2nd grade level is impossible.

 

[Irwin Corey]

Note that I did not reply to the OP, which I agree is 100% BS. Clinton was effectively exonerated since the DOJ took no action to indict/prosecute her.

As in Barr's interpretation of the Muller report, "tRump and his administration did not Conspire with Russia or Obstruct Justice to a degree that is prosecutable. I think that's about the same place Comey left the Hillary investigation; whatever she did it was not prosecutable.

The difference is the details are generally known. Until Mueller's report is made fully available to, at least, Congress we won't know the details; America deserves to know the details of the Mueller report.

 

[hanger4]

Ah, another Democrat claiming both former FBI Director Comey and Mueller are lying. Both said Russia (and Comey said numerous other adversarial foreign governments) learned national security secrets from Hilary Clinton.

At the same time, Bill Clinton was personally given half a million dollars from Russians and over $100 million Russian money went into the Clinton foundation.

That virtually no Democrat cares about that means that virtually no Democrat really cares about Russia, collusion or Russia's involvement in our political system. Rather, it is 100% partisan fake outrage.

*Both said Russia (and Comey said numerous other adversarial foreign governments) learned national security secrets from Hilary Clinton.*

You'll have to link that ^^ and I can assure you I'm no Dem or lib, my pages of posts will attest to that.

 

[tres borrachos]

Why lie so brazenly?

Is it just me, or has joko run away after being asked by numerous posters for a link to back up his claims?

 

[hanger4]

Well, did Mueller exonerate Trump? To read the posts on here, he did. But Mueller didn't exonerate him in his report, according to what I've read. He just said that no more indictments were coming. and that he found no Trump-Russia conspiracy. That's what happened with Clinton too. No indictments.

Yea tres, Mueller did exonerate Trump concerning a Trump Campaign Russian conspiracy, not so much concerning obstruction of justice.

Comey plainly stated HRC didn't "intent to violate the law", that is nowhere near exoneration.

 

[DarkWizard12]

So you’ve read the entire report huh? Oh wait you haven’t so your just posting your usual partisan dishonesty. BTW the conclusions of non obstruction were made by Barr and Rosenstein, not mueller. But then you would know that if your head wasn’t buried in the sand.

"Barr and Rosenstein" I can sorta get it if it was just Barr making this decision, but Rosenstein was publically attacked by trump and liberals ran to his defense when the memo was declassified. Now, you think he is in on some conspiracy to bury Mueller's report and exonerate Trump?

 

[DarkWizard12]

Someone gets it.

If this exonerated Trump, then Clinton was also exonerated. If she was not exonerated then neither was he.

The reality is that neither one of them was but the Trump supporters are certainly making the claim that he was.

Clinton was never investigated for her ties. Only for being "Careless" with her private server. But I agree with you and the point should be made, by the FBI investigating the Clinton campaign's ties to Russia, Saudi Arabia, etc.

 

[HumblePi]

*She was exonerated by the FBI and DOJ a few years ago. Time for you to move on.*

Yeah, Comey said she didn't "intend" to break the law. But she did and that private email server set it self up all by it's lonesome.

Unless there's a 'consciousness of guilty', meaning any person that has broken the law is guilty if they've broken laws being fully aware that it was illegal. The server Hillary Clinton used was more secure than the private phones that both Jared and Ivanka have been using for more than two years.

Consciousness of guilt is the difference between being guilty or not. The email server was located in the Clintons' home in Chappaqua, New York, from January 2009 until 2013, transmissions were sent to a data center in New Jersey before being handed over to Platte River Networks, a Denver-based information technology firm that Clinton hired to manage her email system. Hillary Clinton was under the belief that this type of server was secure. The server itself runs a Microsoft Exchange server with access to emails over the internet being delivered by Outlook Web App. The web page is secured with a TLS certificate to allow information to be transmitted securely when using the website. However, for the first two months of its use - January 2009 through March 29, 2009 - the web page was reportedly not secured with a TLS certificate, meaning that information transmitted using the service was unencrypted and may have been liable to interception.


Think back to 2009, how many people were savvy enough to understand what a TLS certificate even was? That was 11 years ago, technology and software development has grown in leaps and bounds. The technology of 2009 in computer terms would be like comparing Windows Millennial Edition to Windows 8 version. We all had anti-virus on our computers but who knew anything about encryption method? Hillary's preferred method of communication was her Blackberry. Laptops were huge back then, I had one and I remember that it wasn't really something you could have just thrown in a small case or purse and walk around with. That's why she preferred her Blackberry because it was infinitely mobile for someone, especially one that's Secretary of State and travels a lot.

From Wikipedia: Hillary Clinton email controversy - Wikipedia

A number of government officials have used private email accounts for official business, including secretaries of state before Clinton. State Department spokesperson Marie Harf said: "For some historical context, Secretary Kerry is the first secretary of state to rely primarily on a state.gov email account. John Wonderlich, a transparency advocate with the Sunlight Foundation, observed while many government officials used private email accounts, their use of private email servers was much rarer. A notable exception was during the Bush administration, when dozens of senior White House officials conducted government business via approximately 22 million emails using accounts they had on a server owned by the Republican National Committee.

Consciousness of Guilt Law and Legal Definition

Evidentiary rules allow a prosecutor to introduce testimony that tends to show that the defendants actions prove he knew he was guilty (at least of something). This is sometimes referred to as “consciousness of guilt”. For example, such evidence may include actions the defendant took to “cover up” his alleged crime. Flight, when unexplained, may indicate consciousness of guilt if the facts and the circumstances support it. A person's false statements as to (his/her) whereabouts at the time of the offense may tend to show a consciousness of guilt.

The Justice Dept found no reason to prosecute Hillary Clinton because there was no evidence found that had proven that there was 'consciousness of guilt' on her part. If consciousness of guilt is legally automatically presumed, there would have been 22 million emails send by the Republican National Committee during the Bush administration that could have been used as evidence of wrongdoing against them as well. Of course there wasn't, and the same for Hillary Clinton. She did not knowingly break any laws.

Jared and Ivanka are different. Not only have they taken part in the witch hunting of Hillary Clinton over her emails, they should have been aware that the way they use emails and encrypted applications such as WhatsApp would definitely not be acceptable in the least. Of course they were aware, they just felt untouchable, arrogant and above the law, so they did whatever the **** they wanted to do.

 

[Grokmaster]

No one is mentioning that the Mueller report found that Hilary Clinton's "recklessness" and violating national security laws with an unsecure server resulted in Russia hacking her email account, which according to Comey had national security secrets. Her violation of law resulting in Russia (and who knows who else) learning American national security secrets.

Hilary Clinton violating federal law put national security secrets into the hands of Russia. That is huge, yet no one mentions that fact. Why? To keep protecting Hilary Clinton?

This and other questions are (supposedly) being investigated by the DOJ OIG, as well as US prosecutor Huber.

 

[tres borrachos]

Yea tres, Mueller did exonerate Trump concerning a Trump Campaign Russian conspiracy, not so much concerning obstruction of justice.

Comey plainly stated HRC didn't "intent to violate the law", that is nowhere near exoneration.

Can you post a link to the Mueller report for the rest of us to read?

I didn't said Trump engaged in a conspiracy or that I even suspected him of doing so. In fact, I said the opposite. I don't think he's smart enough to perpetuate a broad conspiracy. That also requires a filter, and Trump hasn't got one.

Comey plainly exonerated Clinton. That's a fact. You're trying to pretend he didn't. He did.

 

[hanger4]

Can you post a link to the Mueller report for the rest of us to read?

I didn't said Trump engaged in a conspiracy or that I even suspected him of doing so. In fact, I said the opposite. I don't think he's smart enough to perpetuate a broad conspiracy. That also requires a filter, and Trump hasn't got one.

Comey plainly exonerated Clinton. That's a fact. You're trying to pretend he didn't. He did.

You asked if Mueller exonerated Trump, I answered, yes. One doesn't need to read the report to know this, one needs to read Barr and Rosenstein's summary.

And no, Comey didn't exonerate HRC, his quote is "she didn't intend to violate the law", do you understand what that means tres ??

 

[tres borrachos]

You asked if Mueller exonerated Trump, I answered, yes. One doesn't need to read the report to know this, one needs to read Barr and Rosenstein's summary.

And no, Comey didn't exonerate HRC, his quote is "she didn't intend to violate the law", do you understand what that means tres ??

Mueller did not exonerate Trump of obstruction of justice. That's a fact.

 

[hanger4]

Mueller did not exonerate Trump of obstruction of justice. That's a fact.

I never said he did, as a matter of fact I said "not so much concerning obstruction of justice."

Concerning obstruction of justice, it'll be interesting to note how one is charged with obstruction concerning a crime that wasn't committed, a Trump Campaign Russian conspiracy.

 

[tres borrachos]

I never said he did, as a matter of fact I said "not so much concerning obstruction of justice."

Concerning obstruction of justice, it'll be interesting to note how one is charged with obstruction concerning a crime that wasn't committed, a Trump Campaign Russian conspiracy.

Once again, and you don't know this. You don't need collusion to happen for obstruction to happen. Educate yourself. Look up Martha Stewart.

You said Trump was exonerated. He was not. You're talking about what Mueller said. According to Barr's letter, there is only one thing we know that Mueller said. He didn't not exonerate Trump when it comes to obstruction of justice. That is a fact.

 

[hanger4]

Once again, and you don't know this. You don't need collusion to happen for obstruction to happen. Educate yourself. Look up Martha Stewart.

You said Trump was exonerated. He was not. You're talking about what Mueller said. According to Barr's letter, there is only one thing we know that Mueller said. He didn't not exonerate Trump when it comes to obstruction of justice. That is a fact.

1) What part of "It'll be interesting to see how" didn't you understand tres ?? I never said it wouldn't happen nor did I say it would happen.

2) Trump was exonerated concerning a Trump Campaign Russian conspiracy, not so much concerning obstruction of justice. That's at least twice now I've said this. :roll:

 

[Slyfox696]

Once again, and you don't know this. You don't need collusion to happen for obstruction to happen. Educate yourself. Look up Martha Stewart.

You said Trump was exonerated. He was not. You're talking about what Mueller said. According to Barr's letter, there is only one thing we know that Mueller said. He didn't not exonerate Trump when it comes to obstruction of justice. That is a fact.

Mueller also did not exonerate Trump of collusion either. That's just a myth being spread. All Barr's summary said is that there was not enough evidence to indict based on two very narrow scopes of investigation, scopes which have never been alleged.

 

[Mongidig]

Mueller did not exonerate Trump of obstruction of justice. That's a fact.

What does it matter dude! It's over.

 

[tres borrachos]

1) What part of "It'll be interesting to see how" didn't you understand tres ?? I never said it wouldn't happen nor did I say it would happen.

2) Trump was exonerated concerning a Trump Campaign Russian conspiracy, not so much concerning obstruction of justice. That's at least twice now I've said this. :roll:

1) What are you babbling about here?

2) No, he was not exonerated by Mueller. You and I have not seen the report. You and I have only seen Barr's assessment of the report - which he only had for a few hours. Barr is a Trump appointee. He is a Trump advocate. He also was on record, prior to his appointment, as being a defendant of the President, without having any information at that time to make claims about the SC's investigation. You trust Trump implicitly, and that's your right. It is my right as an American to not trust him or his appointees implicitly. Trump has not been exonerated by Mueller of obstruction of justice. Barr even admitted to that. I know you don't care about obstruction of justice, but others do. You do not get to make the call that he can not be investigated for obstruction of justice. No, it wasn't a "not so much" call by Mueller. He specifically said that he can NOT exonerate him of obstruction. That is a fact that even Trump fan Barr had to admit.

 

[tres borrachos]

Mueller also did not exonerate Trump of collusion either. That's just a myth being spread. All Barr's summary said is that there was not enough evidence to indict based on two very narrow scopes of investigation, scopes which have never been alleged.

Which is why Congress should receive a full report from Mueller, and both Mueller and Barr should submit to interviews, under oath, by Congress.

 

[Slyfox696]

Which is why Congress should receive a full report from Mueller, and both Mueller and Barr should submit to interviews, under oath, by Congress.

I think the full Mueller report should be made available before anyone sits for interviews.

 

[hanger4]

1) What are you babbling about here?

2) No, he was not exonerated by Mueller. You and I have not seen the report. You and I have only seen Barr's assessment of the report - which he only had for a few hours. Barr is a Trump appointee. He is a Trump advocate. He also was on record, prior to his appointment, as being a defendant of the President, without having any information at that time to make claims about the SC's investigation. You trust Trump implicitly, and that's your right. It is my right as an American to not trust him or his appointees implicitly. Trump has not been exonerated by Mueller of obstruction of justice. Barr even admitted to that. I know you don't care about obstruction of justice, but others do. You do not get to make the call that he can not be investigated for obstruction of justice. No, it wasn't a "not so much" call by Mueller. He specifically said that he can NOT exonerate him of obstruction. That is a fact that even Trump fan Barr had to admit.

Mueller's direct quote from his very report and in Barr's and Rosenstein's summary;

“The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”

I suggest you actually read the summary.