What Mark Judge, the witness to Kavanaugh's attempted rape, had to say about women’s sexuality

[gdgyva]

The reality is that credible women do not accuse men of something they didn't do, especially when the stakes are this high where their names will be dragged through mud, get hate mail, death threats, etc. This is already happening to Ms Ford. Who would put themselves through all that? It makes no sense.

We are not oin courtroom, so forensic standards are not applied to a life time appointment to the Supreme court. No one is entitled to that spot.

Where I would apply your reasoning to most places, for a life time appointment on the Supreme Court, I wouldn't, nor should you or anyone.

you have to....innocent until PROVEN guilty

in ALL cases at ALL times

there are NO exceptions

otherwise our jurisprudence system isnt worth a plug nickel....

 

[braindrain]

Don't forget the actual PERSON who accused him. It's not a circumstantial case, there were witnesses.

If someone had told me ten years ago that the GOP would be banding together to defend rapists, I wouldn't have been surprised then either. I don't think there is a crime they can't forgive if it means cutting taxes, screwing brown people or making war. With Trump you get all three!

Yes there were. The accuser who says it happen, the alleged attacker who says it didn't, and the witness who says he didn't remember it happening.
Not sure how you think that helps your case.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Speak for yourself. I was once a normal high school kid, we got drunk a lot, told a lot of dirty jokes and all that goes with it, but I never attempted to commit rape, nor do I know anyone that did.

I was the biggest horn dog in a thirty mile radius when I was that age, I kid you not.
But if there was one thing that could kill the mood, it was being pushed away...for me it was instant wet noodle time....I had to have the impression that it was mutual or at the very least that they were at least pretending to fall for the amateur baloney I was trying to cook up.
I don't know if that's how standup comedians feel when they're bombing, but I just know that if I wasn't getting good feedback, it felt like I was bombing and there went the big thrill, I guess. I'm sure it didn't take much, even if I could make them laugh, I was good to go.

So I guess more often than not my early attempts at getting some may have bombed but somewhere along the way I eventually managed to figure out how to carry myself decently enough that some of the ladies must have thought I showed some promise.
After that, I just concentrated on whatever that schtick was, and did the best I could.
I'm sure if you asked some of those girls from my past, a few of them would say that I was a big dork, but I guarantee you none of them would say that I was ever mean, aggressive or cruel. Like any hormonal young guy I wanted sex...I wanted sex, lust, desire, heat, and even more if there was more, even love. I also wanted to feel loved and desired, too.

But I did know guys for whom being pushed away or told "no" was an extra turn on, and I never was able to understand it.
Without that positive feedback it felt like work, so it didn't do much for me...it really killed it for me.

 

[OscarLevant]

You are conflating underage drinking and rape. You should follow the logic of your own posts better.

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What is clear is that you do not know what conflate means. You should look it up, again, and repeat until you grasp the meaning.

That is why I said you are not making sense.

 

[OpportunityCost]

What is clear is that you do not know what conflate means. You should look it up, again, and repeat until you grasp the meaning.

That is why I said you are not making sense.

combine (two or more texts, ideas, etc.) into one.

You are conflating being drunk as a teenager and rape. If you don't being accused of it, maybe you shouldn't do it.

 

[Grokmaster]

I'll tell you why Mr Judge doesn't want to testify before Congress or the FBI:

He knows he would be lying under oath.




And then we have, on video, Kavanaugh saying



And we are supposed to trust these once upon a time unruly blind drunk misogynist frat boys?

Look, there are a lot of men who have memories of their frat days they would like to forget, no one is perfect, I get it. However, we're talkin' here about attempted rape. So putting a man on the Supreme court who will be there for at least another 30 years, well...

SCOTUS deserves better.

Teenage heterosexual males, obviously CONFUSE YOU....

 

[OscarLevant]

she has nothing to gain?

why did she scrub every one of her social media outlets? afraid of what the public would see?

why did she wait till now...he was a FEDERAL judge 12 years ago....and has been on the LIST for SCOTUS for many years

No man should sit and judge a woman for her reasons for not coming forward after being victimized by a sex crime. It's complicated, and to deny her her right for a hearing and a investigation because of some kind of male POV simplistic reasoning on what a traumatized woman should or should not do is really not fair to her. Let her tell us at the hearing.

can we take a look at her, and her families finances....i want to make sure no houses were paid off....no accounts set up in kids names....no business loans paid off....etc

not saying ANY of that happened....but if she has NOTHING to hide....lets open ALL the books, and let the IRS and FBI in really good....Trump can order it....you okay with it?

All that anyone wants regarding Ford, is the truth. Of course I'm okay with it. You guys don't get it, you think we are out to get Kavanaugh.
We are out to get him only if he doesn't deserve being a Scotus judge. If he lied about not being at the party, etc, he doesn't deserve to be appointed a justice of the Supreme Court. A thorough investigation, which is what is needed, would reveal whether or not he lied on that count.
He was also selected by Trump because he's expressed that the Special Counsel was unconstitutional. That's the ONLY reason Trump picked him, there were many more on the Fed society list with a lot less paper trail which would have caused fewer problems. Clearly, there is a conflict of interest here, and some litmus testing going on, it's obvious.

and finally....lets say for a moment....just a moment....that PART of her story is true...and she called the cops way back then...and they came...what would he have been charged with in reality? what would have been his punishment? no priors, and none since....17 and 15 year old with alcohol involved....imo maybe a years probation? maybe? and the record sealed if he kept his nose clean? i dunno, but speculating that would have been a good idea on if found guilty....

All of that is irrelevant.

so fast forward 35+ years....nothing else on record....juvy record expunged.....we are in exactly the SAME place even if her story is partially true

there is NO WIN here for the left....not sure why you guys are pushing it so hard....just making your side look stupid

She, herself, called for an FBI investigation.


Scammers don't do that.

There is nothing here to win by the right by not taking her accusation seriously, allowing for an FBI investigation, and a hearing based on their findings.

That is what she is calling for, and Grassley, Lindsay, do not want the FBI involved.

Moreover, they only released a small percentage of all the papers on this judge.

So, you tell me, what are republicans wanting to hide on this judge?

If you guys want to guarantee the left taking over the house in November, go ahead and ram Kavanaugh through, ignore Ford. You'll pay for it.

Cya in November, that's all I can say.

 

[Grokmaster]

No man should sit and judge a woman for her reasons for not coming forward after being victimized by a sex crime. It's complicated, and to deny her her right for a hearing and a investigation because of some kind of male-oriented simplistic reasoning on what a traumatized woman should or should not do is really not fair to her. Let her tell us at the hearing.

All that anyone wants regarding Ford, is the truth. Of course I'm okay with it. You guys don't get it, you think we are out to get Kavanaugh.
We are out to get him only if he doesn't deserve being a Scotus judge. If he lied about not being at the party, etc, he doesn't deserve to be appointed a justice of the Supreme Court. A thorough investigation, which is what is needed, would reveal whether or not he lied on that count.
He was also selected by Trump because he's expressed that the Special Counsel was unconstitutional. That's the ONLY reason Trump picked him, there were many more on the Fed society list with a lot less paper trail which would have caused fewer problems. Clearly, there is a conflict of interest here, and some litmus testing going on, it's obvious.

All of that is irrelevant.



She, herself, called for an FBI investigation.


Scammers don't do that.

There is nothing here to win by the right by not taking her accusation seriously, allowing for an FBI investigation, and a hearing based on their findings.

That is what she is calling for, and Grassley, Lindsay, do not want the FBI involved.

Moreover, they only released a small percentage of all the papers on this judge.

So, you tell me, what are republicans wanting to hide on this judge?

If you guys want to guarantee the left taking over the house ion November, go ahead and ram Kavanaugh through, ignore Ford.

Cya in November, that's all I can say.

There is no proof she was the victim of ANYTHING, and more papers were released by Kavanaugh than by ANY OTHER USSC NOMINEE IN HISTORY.


FORD's story becomes LESS CREDIBLE BY THE HOUR....

 

[OscarLevant]

Teenage heterosexual males, obviously CONFUSE YOU....

apparently you are unable to grok anything.

 

[Grokmaster]

apparently you are unable to grok anything.

I certainly noticed your "outrage" that adolescent males lusted after females....as though that = GUILTY OF SOMETHING.

Guess what...outside of Leftbubble, MOST GUYS LIKE GIRLS, and MOST GIRLS LIKE GUYS!!!!


I know..ASTOUNDING, isn't it!!!!

 

[OscarLevant]

There is no proof she was the victim of ANYTHING, and more papers were released by Kavanaugh than by ANY OTHER USSC NOMINEE IN HISTORY.


FORD's story becomes LESS CREDIBLE BY THE HOUR....

Well, Grokmeister, grok this:

The papers released on Kavanaugh are the smallest percentage of available papers ever released.

We are not in a court of law, forensic standards are not required. But, when there is an accusation of a sex crime on someone who is about to be appointed to the Supreme Court, a LIFETIME appointment, when there is more at stake here than any other kind of appointment,
the right thing to do is to investigate and have a hearing, and let the chips fall where they may.

What you think about it is irrelevant.

 

[ttwtt78640]

I'll tell you why Mr Judge doesn't want to testify before Congress or the FBI:

He knows he would be lying under oath.




And then we have, on video, Kavanaugh saying



And we are supposed to trust these once upon a time unruly blind drunk misogynist frat boys?

Look, there are a lot of men who have memories of their frat days they would like to forget, no one is perfect, I get it. However, we're talkin' here about attempted rape. So putting a man on the Supreme court who will be there for at least another 30 years, well...

SCOTUS deserves better.

Indeed we are but only an allegation of that offense (36?) years ago, never reported to the appropriate law enforcement agency and without 'details' such as when and where (beyond probably summer 1982 and in Montgomery County, MD).

 

[OscarLevant]

so i saw you fooling around with a 4 year old....dont remember where, or when...but that doesnt matter does it

i saw you do it....

see outrageous that crap is....

anyone can accuse anyone else, of anything....and without proof right now....that is not how we do things her in america

i have zero problems with women bringing men to justice for sexual harassment or worse....call the cops...get a lawyer...make the SOB pay

but do it NOW....not 30 years from now....do it when there is a modicum of chance of actually making a case....and both parties get a real chance to present their case

cases out of the blue from distant past, with NO proof....just not within the guidelines of what most americans deem fair

everyone is entitled to a fair and impartial trial before their peers....these cases are being tried in the court of public opinion....and there is no coming back from ruining a mans reputation

Ms Ford is a college professor, a PHd, she is credible, she has nothing to gain, and a lot to lose. She knows what happened to Anita Hill, and she had every reason to expect a similar fate, and, in fact, it's already happening, she's getting hate emails, death threats, and had to even move her family out of her house, she is now in hiding, yet she decided to come forward, anyway. On top of this, she is asking for an FBI investigation.

These are not the actions of a scammer.

The likelihood she falls into the "anyone could accuse" category, as if her accusation is purely a fanciful off the cuff without merit accusation, is really absurd, when you look at all there is to look at about Ms Ford. Which you apparently are ignoring.

If Kavanaugh did this to her, and failed to make right with her long ago when he did do this, and if he is lying about it now, then what happens to him is karma, baby, he has it coming.

If she is lying, then she deserves to be incarcerated and Kavanaugh will be exonerated. But there is no logical reason for her to make this up, there's a lot at stake here. There is a logical reason why Kavanaugh would lie about it, though, for if he admitted it, it just might mean the end of, not only getting appointed to SCOTUS, but just might be the end of his judicial career. He's praying the truth will not come out. But, maybe he is telling the truth, but given the circumstances, an investigation and a hearing is warranted, we are talking about a life time appointment to the highest court in the land, and we must, simply must, get it right.

But, I believe her.

For a life time appointment to the supreme court, the right thing to do is not leave any stone unturned.

 

[haymarket]

Judge would be destroyed within a matter of minutes and come off looking as bad as the lust child of Charles Manson and Lizzy Borden. That is why he will not testify.

 

[OscarLevant]

you have to....innocent until PROVEN guilty

in ALL cases at ALL times

there are NO exceptions

otherwise our jurisprudence system isnt worth a plug nickel....

This is not a court trial. Forsensic standards are not required.

It's not about proof, though proof is desireable, so short of proof, it's about whose story is the most believable based on the available evidence. Why? Simple, Kavanaugh is NOT entitled to be a judge on the Supreme Court. He is entitled to a fair shot at it, though.

If all the available facts about him are not made known, then we are doing American a disservice.

An investigation and a hearing is the right thing to do. A release of ALL the papers on him is the right thing to do.

Apparently, republicans do not want to do the right thing.

They, in fact, rarely do these days.

 

[gdgyva]

No man should sit and judge a woman for her reasons for not coming forward after being victimized by a sex crime. It's complicated, and to deny her her right for a hearing and a investigation because of some kind of male POV simplistic reasoning on what a traumatized woman should or should not do is really not fair to her. Let her tell us at the hearing.

All that anyone wants regarding Ford, is the truth. Of course I'm okay with it. You guys don't get it, you think we are out to get Kavanaugh.
We are out to get him only if he doesn't deserve being a Scotus judge. If he lied about not being at the party, etc, he doesn't deserve to be appointed a justice of the Supreme Court. A thorough investigation, which is what is needed, would reveal whether or not he lied on that count.
He was also selected by Trump because he's expressed that the Special Counsel was unconstitutional. That's the ONLY reason Trump picked him, there were many more on the Fed society list with a lot less paper trail which would have caused fewer problems. Clearly, there is a conflict of interest here, and some litmus testing going on, it's obvious.

All of that is irrelevant.



She, herself, called for an FBI investigation.


Scammers don't do that.

There is nothing here to win by the right by not taking her accusation seriously, allowing for an FBI investigation, and a hearing based on their findings.

That is what she is calling for, and Grassley, Lindsay, do not want the FBI involved.

Moreover, they only released a small percentage of all the papers on this judge.

So, you tell me, what are republicans wanting to hide on this judge?

If you guys want to guarantee the left taking over the house in November, go ahead and ram Kavanaugh through, ignore Ford. You'll pay for it.

Cya in November, that's all I can say.

The left has been promising a blue wave for months

Kavanaugh isn’t going to change that outcome one way or another

 

[gdgyva]

Ms Ford is a college professor, a PHd, she is credible, she has nothing to gain, and a lot to lose. She knows what happened to Anita Hill, and she had every reason to expect a similar fate, and, in fact, it's already happening, she's getting hate emails, death threats, and had to even move her family out of her house, she is now in hiding, yet she decided to come forward, anyway. On top of this, she is asking for an FBI investigation.

These are not the actions of a scammer.

The likelihood she falls into the "anyone could accuse" category, as if her accusation is purely a fanciful off the cuff without merit accusation, is really absurd, when you look at all there is to look at about Ms Ford. Which you apparently are ignoring.

If Kavanaugh did this to her, and failed to make right with her long ago when he did do this, and if he is lying about it now, then what happens to him is karma, baby, he has it coming.

If she is lying, then she deserves to be incarcerated and Kavanaugh will be exonerated. But there is no logical reason for her to make this up, there's a lot at stake here. There is a logical reason why Kavanaugh would lie about it, though, for if he admitted it, it just might mean the end of, not only getting appointed to SCOTUS, but just might be the end of his judicial career. He's praying the truth will not come out. But, maybe he is telling the truth, but given the circumstances, an investigation and a hearing is warranted, we are talking about a life time appointment to the highest court in the land, and we must, simply must, get it right.

But, I believe her.

For a life time appointment to the supreme court, the right thing to do is not leave any stone unturned.

But you can’t prove anything...and yet, it doesn’t matter one iota to any of you

Investigate what exactly...a party that she doesn’t even know the place or date of? Who was there? How she got home? One beer my ass....

A hearing to say exactly WHAT? Her story is out...his story is out....and the witness says he doesn’t remember...teenagers and alcohol...you never blacked out, or had foggy memories? I did from my teens....

So what is going to be accomplished? Other than a vote stall?

 

[gdgyva]

This is not a court trial. Forsensic standards are not required.

It's not about proof, though proof is desireable, so short of proof, it's about whose story is the most believable based on the available evidence. Why? Simple, Kavanaugh is NOT entitled to be a judge on the Supreme Court. He is entitled to a fair shot at it, though.

If all the available facts about him are not made known, then we are doing American a disservice.

An investigation and a hearing is the right thing to do. A release of ALL the papers on him is the right thing to do.

Apparently, republicans do not want to do the right thing.

They, in fact, rarely do these days.

No, you guys are just sounding like three year old toddlers throwing temper tamtrums yelling bad judge, bad judge

Sorry, but HRC didn’t win....there are consequences for that....

 

[Skeptic Bob]

I wondered about his "denial" the second I heard it. If someone said this in regards to my behavior in high school, there wouldn't be a question, it would be "That's ridiculous, my friends and I would never do such a disgusting thing!" His denial was "I have no recollection of that incident." My first thought was: Wow, you don't know if you might have tried to gang rape a girl? How many times did you guys do this?

Here is what he said

In fact, I have no memory of this alleged incident," Judge said in his statement to the committee. "Brett Kavanaugh and I were friends in high school but I do not recall the party described in Dr. Ford's letter. More to the point, I never saw Brett act in the manner Dr. Ford describes."

So the whole “no recollection” or “no memory” part seems to refer to him not remembering hearing about the incident and not recalling ever being at the party. When it comes to whether or not he witnessed Kavanaugh commit assault he did not couch it with such words, because you are right, that is something you would remember.

 

[OscarLevant]

The left has been promising a blue wave for months

Kavanaugh isn’t going to change that outcome one way or another

Ramming Kavanagh through without a hearing or an investigation for Ms Ford will definitely not help Republicans

 

[OscarLevant]

But you can’t prove anything...and yet, it doesn’t matter one iota to any of you

Investigate what exactly...a party that she doesn’t even know the place or date of? Who was there? How she got home? One beer my ass....

A hearing to say exactly WHAT? Her story is out...his story is out....and the witness says he doesn’t remember...teenagers and alcohol...you never blacked out, or had foggy memories? I did from my teens....

So what is going to be accomplished? Other than a vote stall?

She deserves as much as Anita Hill deserved, an FBI investigation by professionals who are trained to get the facts.

Senators Grassley and Hatch both said in 1991 that the call for an FBI investigation for Anita Hill was the right thing to do and that is precisely what was done. It's in the Congressional Record. My how quickly we forget. One thing is certain: YOU don't know what the facts are.

 

[OscarLevant]

No, you guys are just sounding like three year old toddlers throwing temper tamtrums yelling bad judge, bad judge

Sorry, but HRC didn’t win....there are consequences for that....

We shall see what November brings

 

[Nap]

No man should sit and judge a woman for her reasons for not coming forward after being victimized by a sex crime. It's complicated, and to deny her her right for a hearing and a investigation because of some kind of male POV simplistic reasoning on what a traumatized woman should or should not do is really not fair to her. Let her tell us at the hearing.

All that anyone wants regarding Ford, is the truth. Of course I'm okay with it. You guys don't get it, you think we are out to get Kavanaugh.
We are out to get him only if he doesn't deserve being a Scotus judge. If he lied about not being at the party, etc, he doesn't deserve to be appointed a justice of the Supreme Court. A thorough investigation, which is what is needed, would reveal whether or not he lied on that count.
He was also selected by Trump because he's expressed that the Special Counsel was unconstitutional. That's the ONLY reason Trump picked him, there were many more on the Fed society list with a lot less paper trail which would have caused fewer problems. Clearly, there is a conflict of interest here, and some litmus testing going on, it's obvious.

All of that is irrelevant.



She, herself, called for an FBI investigation.


Scammers don't do that.

There is nothing here to win by the right by not taking her accusation seriously, allowing for an FBI investigation, and a hearing based on their findings.

That is what she is calling for, and Grassley, Lindsay, do not want the FBI involved.

Moreover, they only released a small percentage of all the papers on this judge.

So, you tell me, what are republicans wanting to hide on this judge?

If you guys want to guarantee the left taking over the house in November, go ahead and ram Kavanaugh through, ignore Ford. You'll pay for it.

Cya in November, that's all I can say.

How do you propose the FBI (or anyone for that matter) investigate a party that no one remembers where or when it took place? I don't think you realize just how impossible of a request you are making. There simply isn't enough information to even start an investigation much less prove who is lying.

 

[Aberration]

The more vague the claim, the longer any investigation would take. I am sure that has nothing to do with it though.

 

[OscarLevant]

How do you propose the FBI (or anyone for that matter) investigate a party that no one remembers where or when it took place? I don't think you realize just how impossible of a request you are making. There simply isn't enough information to even start an investigation much less prove who is lying.

You're being presumptious. Neither you nor I know what they can do or cannot do. The right thing to do is let the FBI professionals deal with it, and wait for their report.