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What is wrong with Quantum Mechanics?

calamity said:
I don't get my science info from conspiracy videos.
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Sabine Hossenfelder is a leading, highly respected physicist. Hardly a conspiracy advocate. She succinctly points out the inability of physics to make much progress over the past four decades.
 
Waddy said:
Sabine Hossenfelder is a leading, highly respected physicist. Hardly a conspiracy advocate. She succinctly points out the inability of physics to make much progress over the past four decades.
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It all depends upon what you mean by progress.The Higgs boson was a big step forward.
 
zyzygy said:
It all depends upon what you mean by progress.The Higgs boson was a big step forward.
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He’d have been better off just posting another video.
 
Waddy said:
QM still wrestles with the same problems they wrestled with 40 years ago. Lots of new theories but no solutions. That is stagnation, not progress.
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I disagree.
 
Waddy said:
That is your right. And I will defend that right to the death. So long as we both respect the other's position.
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Yes, everyone has a right to be wrong. And, we have the right to judge them unkindly for it.
 
calamity said:
Yes, everyone has a right to be wrong. And, we have the right to judge them unkindly for it.
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Glad to see you admit you're wrong. Your ignorance is no excuse, though.
 
Waddy said:
Glad to see you admit you're wrong. Your ignorance is no excuse, though.
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I'm not the one who is wrong, Waddy.
 
I bet most people who criticize QM like this probably can't even do basic calculus, lol.
 
Waddy said:
Sabine Hossenfelder is a leading, highly respected physicist. Hardly a conspiracy advocate. She succinctly points out the inability of physics to make much progress over the past four decades.
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Since she's made quantum gravity - or lack thereof - her chosen specialty I'm sure she sees it that way. Doesn't mean all of QM has stagnated - that's just narrow-mindedness on her part.

But, hey, you know she''s selling her book there with that video, right?? So it's more like an infomercial than anything else ...
 
Waddy said:
QM still wrestles with the same problems they wrestled with 40 years ago. Lots of new theories but no solutions. That is stagnation, not progress.
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No - QM still wrestles with **SOME OF** the same problems they wrestled with 40 years ago. But if you're going to defend that tactic (without my addition), then medicine has been stagnant for at least 140 years because they still can't prevent nor cure the common cold. :roll:


And when it gets to the point we think we know everything, I hope someone slaps us silly because it's going to be millennia (if ever!) before we even get close. At this point in our development we're like children on a beach who have just concluded that sand sparkles because it's happy the sun is out. :lol:
 
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MoSurveyor said:
No - QM still wrestles with **SOME OF** the same problems they wrestled with 40 years ago. But if you're going to defend that tactic (without my addition), then medicine has been stagnant for at least 140 years because they still can't prevent nor cure the common cold. :roll:


And when it gets to the point we think we know everything, I hope someone slaps us silly because it's going to be millennia (if ever!) before we even get close. At this point in our development we're like children on a beach who have just concluded that sand sparkles because it's happy the sun is out. :lol:
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Finally, an accurate statement. We are just at the beginning of science. And QM is stuck. Since learning to split the atom, their single great achievement, progress has been difficult. Not that they aren't seeing anything new, but what they've seen hasn't answered any of the fundamental questions in over four decades, and they are at a loss to explain why not. Actually, what they've learned is the problems are even more complicated than they thought. IMO, the expectations were unreasonably high; they will be looking at "sparkling sand" for a lot longer than they thought. Or, to be more precise, the physicists themselves generally accept the fact that it will probably take many generations to make even a little more progress. It has been journalists hyping and exaggerating their stories to gain readers, and idiot laymen believing the hype. Real physicists are much more practical.
 
MoSurveyor said:
No - QM still wrestles with **SOME OF** the same problems they wrestled with 40 years ago. But if you're going to defend that tactic (without my addition), then medicine has been stagnant for at least 140 years because they still can't prevent nor cure the common cold. :roll:


And when it gets to the point we think we know everything, I hope someone slaps us silly because it's going to be millennia (if ever!) before we even get close. At this point in our development we're like children on a beach who have just concluded that sand sparkles because it's happy the sun is out. :lol:
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What do you mean by 'everything'?
 
Triton said:
I bet most people who criticize QM like this probably can't even do basic calculus, lol.
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Calculus? Hell, I bet good money that even solving a series of polynomials would pose a challenge for most of them. And, if presented in the form of a sentence, it would be a near impossibility.
 
Waddy said:
Finally, an accurate statement. We are just at the beginning of science. And QM is stuck. Since learning to split the atom, their single great achievement, progress has been difficult. Not that they aren't seeing anything new, but what they've seen hasn't answered any of the fundamental questions in over four decades, and they are at a loss to explain why not. Actually, what they've learned is the problems are even more complicated than they thought. IMO, the expectations were unreasonably high; they will be looking at "sparkling sand" for a lot longer than they thought.
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Then you believe medicine is stuck - how interesting. I wonder what people who used to have cancer would think of that?? :think:

You think splitting the atom was the "single great achievement"?!? That's good for 3/3 :lamo :lamo :lamo

You must have a very narrow view of what the 'fundamental questions' are of you believe that. Sounds more like you're just parroting her and I've already explained why SHE is frustrated - because her chosen field hasn't come very far. (Though many would disagree because a lot of avenues have been explored, which is what science and progress is.)


Waddy said:
Or, to be more precise, the physicists themselves generally accept the fact that it will probably take many generations to make even a little more progress. It has been journalists hyping and exaggerating their stories to gain readers, and idiot laymen believing the hype. Real physicists are much more practical.
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The quantum gravity theorists might believe that. Most physicists don't. Again, you're trying to defend someone who's saying "buy my book, buy my book" and whining because her narrow field is apparently unsatisfying.
 
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zyzygy said:
What do you mean by 'everything'?
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Like EVERYTHING (not just a "Theory of Everything", which really isn't, of course). As in, there are no other mysteries of the universe left to explore - we've solved all the problems and answered all the questions.

Personally, I don't believe that's possible without an infinite amount of time. So IF we ever come believe it, we'd just deluding ourselves and need something to wake us back up.
 
MoSurveyor said:
Like EVERYTHING (not just a "Theory of Everything", which really isn't, of course). As in, there are no other mysteries of the universe left to explore - we've solved all the problems and answered all the questions.

Personally, I don't believe that's possible without an infinite amount of time. So IF we ever come believe it, we'd just deluding ourselves and need something to wake us back up.
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Name some problems and questions.
 
MoSurveyor said:
Then you believe medicine is stuck - how interesting. I wonder what people who used to have cancer would think of that?? :think:

You think splitting the atom was the "single great achievement"?!? That's good for 3/3 :lamo :lamo :lamo

You must have a very narrow view of what the 'fundamental questions' are of you believe that. Sounds more like you're just parroting her and I've already explained why SHE is frustrated - because her chosen field hasn't come very far. (Though many would disagree because a lot of avenues have been explored, which is what science and progress is.)


The quantum gravity theorists might believe that. Most physicists don't. Again, you're trying to defend someone who's saying "buy my book, buy my book" and whining because her narrow field is apparently unsatisfying.
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You talk a lot but you don't say anything. Tell me what fundamental problem QM has solved in the last 40 years? A unified theory? Come on, man, what fundamental problems has QM solved? Gravity?

And though medicine has made much more progress, and DNA science is promising, it too, has been in a kind of rut. What major disease has medicine CURED in the last couple of decades? Diabetes? Autism? Cancer? The progress has been in MANAGING major diseases, not CURING them. In fact, they still don't know the fundamental causes of most of these diseases. Like the rest of science, medicine is just at the beginning. There is a LOT more that they don't know than what they DO know.
 
Waddy said:
You talk a lot but you don't say anything. Tell me what fundamental problem QM has solved in the last 40 years? A unified theory? Come on, man, what fundamental problems has QM solved? Gravity?

And though medicine has made much more progress, and DNA science is promising, it too, has been in a kind of rut. What major disease has medicine CURED in the last couple of decades? Diabetes? Autism? Cancer? The progress has been in MANAGING major diseases, not CURING them. In fact, they still don't know the fundamental causes of most of these diseases. Like the rest of science, medicine is just at the beginning. There is a LOT more that they don't know than what they DO know.
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What matters is that technologies derived from QM are currently allowing for lightspeed communications, as ignorant as the post may be notwithstanding.
 
Waddy said:
You talk a lot but you don't say anything. Tell me what fundamental problem QM has solved in the last 40 years? A unified theory? Come on, man, what fundamental problems has QM solved? Gravity?

And though medicine has made much more progress, and DNA science is promising, it too, has been in a kind of rut. What major disease has medicine CURED in the last couple of decades? Diabetes? Autism? Cancer? The progress has been in MANAGING major diseases, not CURING them. In fact, they still don't know the fundamental causes of most of these diseases. Like the rest of science, medicine is just at the beginning. There is a LOT more that they don't know than what they DO know.
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So we should give up trying and go back to the Stone Age? What is your alternative to scientific research.
 
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