What is Really Going on In Venezuela: Propaganda and Collapse.

[Jack Hays]

Jack Hays:

The two Russian naval flotillas berthed in San Fransisco and New York in the fall of 1863 might have had some affect on British decision making.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

The British had already concluded they could not intervene while the Confederacy still held slaves. In any case, the Royal Navy would not have been deterred by the Russian Navy. By 1863 the US Navy was much more formidable, especially close to shore where Union ironclads were deadly.

 

[Evilroddy]

The excuse that "they all did it" does not mean it was not wrong. The culture of corruption pervades Venezuela and supporting yet another military junta is doomed to failure and unspeakable suffering by the masses until it does. Very sad. Not to mention the damage the Putin/Maduro alliance will do to our standing in all of S. America. Not that you bother about that.

Russian Bombers in Venezuela Raise Cold War 2.0 Fears Across Latin America

Iguanaman:

That same culture of corruption pervades Brazil, Honduras, Argentina and Mexico but the US is not threatening these regimes today because they now have right-wing or centrist governments which will cooperate with American imperial demands.

And Venezuela is not as isolated as you would have us believe with China, India, Russia and Mexico among many other states who have supported its sovereignty. If the US can back an insurrection in Venezuela against an unpopular and deeply corrupt Venezuelan state then how can it legitimately sanction Russia for essentially doing the same thing to Ukraine? It can't.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

 

[iguanaman]

Iguanaman:

That same culture of corruption pervades Brazil, Honduras, Argentina and Mexico but the US is not threatening these regimes today because they now have right-wing or centrist governments which will cooperate with American imperial demands.

And Venezuela is not as isolated as you would have us believe with China, India, Russia and Mexico among many other states who have supported its sovereignty. If the US can back an insurrection in Venezuela against an unpopular and deeply corrupt Venezuelan state then how can it legitimately sanction Russia for essentially doing the same thing to Ukraine? It can't.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

If Putin tries to build a airbase in Venezuela he will find our next President sanctioning the hell out of him until he withdraws. We will not have a puppet as President forever.

 

[Jack Hays]

Iguanaman:

That same culture of corruption pervades Brazil, Honduras, Argentina and Mexico but the US is not threatening these regimes today because they now have right-wing or centrist governments which will cooperate with American imperial demands.

And Venezuela is not as isolated as you would have us believe with China, India, Russia and Mexico among many other states who have supported its sovereignty. If the US can back an insurrection in Venezuela against an unpopular and deeply corrupt Venezuelan state then how can it legitimately sanction Rusdia for essentially doing the same thing to Ukraine? It can't.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

Russia has already attacked Ukraine and effectively partitioned the country. A comparable US action in Venezuela would establish a chunk of the country under control of the opposition.

 

[Evilroddy]

If Putin tries to build a airbase in Venezuela he will find our next President sanctioning the hell out of him until he withdraws. We will not have a puppet as President forever.

Iguanaman:

The Venezuelan constitution as revised by President Hugo Chavez and ratified by national referendum forbids Venezuela's government from allowing foreign military bases to be established on Venezuelan soil.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

 

[Jack Hays]

Iguanaman:

The Venezuelan constitution as revised by President Hugo Chavez and ratified by national referendum forbids Venezuela's government from allowing foreign military bases to be established on Venezuelan soil.

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Evilroddy.

That is easily finessed. Base flies the host country flag and foreign units are tenants.

 

[Evilroddy]

Russia has already attacked Ukraine and effectively partitioned the country. A comparable US action in Venezuela would establish a chunk of the country under control of the opposition.

Jack Hays:

Perhaps a militarily occupied security zone along the Columbian-Venezuelan frontier carved out of Venezuela by Venezuelan mutineers, Columbian mercenaries, Columbian paramilitaries, perhaps Columbian regulars, US SOF's and US Marines to protect humanitarian supplies from being interfered with and under the control of the opposition. We shall have to wait until after Juan Guaido's much touted Feb. 23rd deadline for the delivery of opposition controlled humanitarian aid into Venezuela to see if this happens.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

 

[Evilroddy]

That is easily finessed. Base flies the host country flag and foreign units are tenants.

Jack Hays:

The geographical space of Venezuela is an area of peace. No foreign military bases or facilities having purposes that are in any way military shall be established within such space by any power or coalition of powers.

Foreign States or other international law subjects shall be permitted to acquire real property only for the quarters of their diplomatic or consular delegations, within such area as may be determined and subject to guarantees of reciprocity, with such limitations as may be established by law. In all such cases, national sovereignty shall remain intact.

From Article 13 of Title II of the Venezuelan Constitution found here:

Constitution - Title II: Geographical spaces and political division (Art. 10-18) | Venezuelanalysis.com

Not so easy to finesse I think.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

 

[Jack Hays]

Jack Hays:



From Article 13 of Title II of the Venezuelan Constitution found here:

Constitution - Title II: Geographical spaces and political division (Art. 10-18) | Venezuelanalysis.com

Not so easy to finesse I think.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

Nope. Happens all the time. The facilities fly the host flag. The foreigners are tenants or guests. Many countries have similar clauses.

 

[Evilroddy]

There is almost no media coverage of this proposal to diffuse and eventually end the Venezuelan crisis peacefully and almost constitutionally.

Proposal to end the crisis in Venezuela | Letter | World news | The Guardian

I say almost constitutionally because the Venezuelan constitution requires election of a new president within thirty consecutive day of the removal of the former one.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.