What is really behind the hatred of the President?

[apdst]

I suppose it is fortunate if that is what you meant to say.

At least when they do that, I know I'm on the right track and they are much diminished in credibility.

That's exactly what I meant to say.

 

[<alt>doxygen]

Example: I have proof of numerous instances in which President Obama went before the American people on record saying "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor" over and over and over again. This to sell a healthcare plan though he knew what he was telling us was a bald faced lie for many of us. Is there any instance in which President Trump has done something like that? THAT would be worthy of contempt.

Okay, you have provided "spin" as you call it, of something Obama said that you deem worthy of contempt. But you are demanding the whole, unadulterated context of things Trump has done that makes people hate him? Why don't you provide the entire spin-free story surrounding your Obama quote?

Trump repeatedly promised not to cut Medicare or Medicaid. Then Trump got fully behind a GOP bill that cut those things.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/6/23/15862312/trump-medicaid-promise

Way back on June 8, 2014, Donald Trump — who by then had long since established himself in conservative circles as a prominent voice in birther conspiracy theories and anti-immigrant demagoguery — staked out a strikingly heterodox position: He wanted to save entitlement programs.

Now, of course, Trump has lined up behind a Senate health care bill that features draconian cuts to Medicaid:

First, it cuts reimbursement rates to Medicaid expansion states, slowly phasing out federal support for the new enrollees.
Second, it ends Medicaid’s open-ended commitment to covering the health care needs of eligible patients — sticking states with per capita spending caps.
Third, it adjusts those payments over time to ensure that the money available per patient grows more slowly than the cost of providing medical coverage. Each year, a wedge will steadily open wider and wider between the money available for medical coverage and the cost of providing it.
Kasich says he thinks the cuts go too far. But Trump himself doesn’t tweet about Medicaid anymore. He just keeps saying that “Obamacare is dead.”

That’s not really true, but even if you think it is, it’s true Medicaid certainly isn’t dead. But the Senate health care bill will kill it, and will do so in order to finance a large tax cut for wealthy people — something Trump’s economic team also promised not to do.

I know, that's all "leftist spin" and "talking points".

I don't hate Trump, but I don't like his administration. You seem to be taking the blowback that Trump is getting way too personally.

Try this : Trump -> He's a jerk. He ran as a jerk. His supporters ate it up, but it turns out that a lot of people don't like jerks.

 

[apdst]

I suppose it is fortunate if that is what you meant to say.

At least when they do that, I know I'm on the right track and they are much diminished in credibility.

Plenty of people already have, and you've seen all of it yourself. You're simply determined to believe that nothing counts as real except what you want to believe. You're a time waster, just like the people you supposedly despise in your OP.

When Liberals start the name calling, you know you're winning

 

[calamity]

That division is exactly what the Left wants.

The last thing the Liberals want is for black folks to start saying, "Hey, these white folks aren't that bad. They aren't nearly as racist as you make them out to be".

:roll:

 

[AlbqOwl]

I don't think I've said anything particularly hateful although you seem eager to ascribe hatred to me.

I suppose it's possible that Trump had some mysterious reason for tweeting what he did, but when he tells the secretary of state on a diplomatic mission that he is wasting his time it obviously destroys his credibility with the party he's negotiating with. I asked you to give me a context that justified Trumps tweet and all you can come up with is that had some unknown reason that made it all right. Who's spinning now?

The Secretary of State wasn't on a diplomatic mission at the time. And on Sunday in response to media questioning about those tweet, Secretary Tillerson responded:

. . .Speaking on CNN’s “State of the Union,” Tillerson downplayed messages that President Trump had previously posted on Twitter suggesting Tillerson was wasting his time trying to negotiate with “Little Rocket Man,” a derogatory nickname Trump has coined for North Korea’s leader Kim Jong Un.

Trump “has made it clear to me to continue my diplomatic efforts,” Tillerson said. . .​

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ntil-first-bomb-drops-tillerson-idUSKBN1CK0KP

I saw the CNN clip and this is an accurate representation of what was said.

 

[apdst]

Okay, you have provided "spin" as you call it, of something Obama said that you deem worthy of contempt. But you are demanding the whole, unadulterated context of things Trump has done that makes people hate him? Why don't you provide the entire spin-free story surrounding your Obama quote?

Trump repeatedly promised not to cut Medicare or Medicaid. Then Trump got fully behind a GOP bill that cut those things.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/6/23/15862312/trump-medicaid-promise





I know, that's all "leftist spin" and "talking points".

I don't hate Trump, but I don't like his administration. You seem to be taking the blowback that Trump is getting way too personally.

Try this : Trump -> He's a jerk. He ran as a jerk. His supporters ate it up, but it turns out that a lot of people don't like jerks.

You folks are busting your asses to prove Her wrong, but end up proving her point.

Why is it that people who wave their self proclaimed intellectual superiority in everyone's face respond to , "why do you hate Trump", with, "He's a jerk"? When you all say that, while insisting that you're smart and we're all stupid, you will never bring anyone to your side.

 

[bearpoker]

The Secretary of State wasn't on a diplomatic mission at the time. And on Sunday in response to media questioning about those tweet, Secretary Tillerson responded:

. . .Speaking on CNN’s “State of the Union,” Tillerson downplayed messages that President Trump had previously posted on Twitter suggesting Tillerson was wasting his time trying to negotiate with “Little Rocket Man,” a derogatory nickname Trump has coined for North Korea’s leader Kim Jong Un.

Trump “has made it clear to me to continue my diplomatic efforts,” Tillerson said. . .​

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ntil-first-bomb-drops-tillerson-idUSKBN1CK0KP

I saw the CNN clip and this is an accurate representation of what was said.

Of course Tillerson downplayed it. What else could he do?

 

[apdst]

:roll:

This is what we're talking about. Leftists don't get it. They can't even post an intelligent retort.

 

[SmokeAndMirrors]

When Liberals start the name calling, you know you're winning

The irony. :lol:

 

[Oreo]

We know what you guys are saying about the President. No need to repeat them.

What this thread is about is the challenge to all of you who keep reciting the sound bites, assigned talking points, and the other smears, slurs, and hateful adjectives to step up and show your evidence. I don't want what the media says. I don't want the opinion of some pundit or talking head. I want evidence in full context, honestly presented, that he is guilty of all the terrible traits and deeds that you accuse him of. I have repeatedly put this challenge out there. And not a single person has come up with ANYTHING that justifies the unbridled contempt, disrespect, and hatred directed toward President Trump.

So far I have agreed with Shewolf that he initially bungled the original temporary travel ban, but that was corrected. If that justifies all the hatred so be it. But come on people. With so much vitriol and hatred, you must have something other than the spin from people who hate him as much as you do to offer. Where is it?

If you would get out of your right wing media bubble you would know a lot more than you do today.

Trump & his surrogates were being watched & monitored since 2015, and not by U.S. Intelligence agencies.

GCHQ first became aware in late 2015 of suspicious “interactions” between figures connected to Trump and known or suspected Russian agents, a source close to UK intelligence said. This intelligence was passed to the US as part of a routine exchange of information, they added.

Over the next six months, until summer 2016, a number of western agencies shared further information on contacts between Trump’s inner circle and Russians, sources said.

The European countries that passed on electronic intelligence – known as sigint – included Germany, Estonia and Poland. Australia, a member of the “Five Eyes” spying alliance that also includes the US, UK, Canada and New Zealand, also relayed material, one source said.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/13/british-spies-first-to-spot-trump-team-links-russia

Which is why Trump Jr. couldn't pull of a secret meeting in the Trump tower in June of 2016.


Which is why Shep Smith knew in February 2017, that Trump surrogates were not only in contact with the Russian ambassador, but Russian intelligence agents, including the day that Russian hacked into DNC databases, while Trump and his aids denied any contact with Russians during the campaign season 17 TIMES.
Kushner contradicts Trump team's denials of Russia contacts - CNNPolitics



Mueller has convened two grand Jury's, loaded up on over 16 criminal prosecutors, money laundering experts, the criminal division of the IRS has joined in, and Trump is under investigation for Obstruction of Justice--(video--in post # 212 on this thread you have already seen.)
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/specia...er-using-grand-jury-in-widening-russia-probe/
https://www.forbes.com/forbes/welco...ssia-investigation-the-irs/&refURL=&referrer=
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...28ba60fbb98_story.html?utm_term=.931669a6a5ed

I anticipate that criminal indictments will be coming soon on Paul Manafort.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/18/us/politics/mueller-russia-investigation.html?_r=0


For older news on the Russian investigation--regarding others involved go to this link.
http://www.usmessageboard.com/threads/the-evidence-against-trump.604296/

For DAILY news on the Russian investigation you'll have to switch the channel from FOX NEWS to your Nemisis MSNBC--Rachel Maddow who is reporting every detail coming out of these investigations. Which is why her ratings have soared past FOX News and CNN.
http://conservativefiringline.com/maddow-fox-news-cnn-gaining/

You were warned a thousand times over about Trump, and you ignored all those warnings, including from prominent Republicans. It's your attachment at the hip to right wing web sites, and talk show hosts that defended Trump and promoted him throughout the primary season, and they still doing it. You were brainwashed into believing that all other news sites were FAKE, and now the Chickens have come home to roost. Through your lack of information, you elected what will notably go down as the worst President in this Nations history, replacing Jimmy Carter.

Reading has never killed anyone yet, you might want to try it sometime.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/10/the-gop-that-failed-215243
http://www.businessinsider.com/conservative-media-trump-drudge-coulter-2016-8

 

[OlNate]

Sorry you went to all that trouble and I appreciate the time and effort but I don't respond to chopped up posts like that. If you had read the thread you would see that I apply my personal rule impartially.

Seriously? Well...ok then. Maybe next time don't ask your questions in point form, as that would appear to be the clearest way to respond to your OP, and there was nothing in it stating you wouldn't respond if that's how people replied to you. This feels a little like getting pantsed...hehe

 

[apdst]

The irony. :lol:

What do you mean?

 

[countryboy]

If you would get out of your right wing media bubble you would know a lot more than you do today.

Trump & his surrogates were being watched & monitored since 2015, and not by U.S. Intelligence agencies.


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/13/british-spies-first-to-spot-trump-team-links-russia

Which is why Trump Jr. couldn't pull of a secret meeting in the Trump tower in June of 2016.


Which is why Shep Smith knew in February 2017, that Trump surrogates were not only in contact with the Russian ambassador, but Russian intelligence agents, including the day that Russian hacked into DNC databases, while Trump and his aids denied any contact with Russians during the campaign season 17 TIMES.
Kushner contradicts Trump team's denials of Russia contacts - CNNPolitics



Mueller has convened two grand Jury's, loaded up on over 16 criminal prosecutors, money laundering experts, the criminal division of the IRS has joined in, and Trump is under investigation for Obstruction of Justice--(video--in post # 212 on this thread you have already seen.)
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/specia...er-using-grand-jury-in-widening-russia-probe/
https://www.forbes.com/forbes/welco...ssia-investigation-the-irs/&refURL=&referrer=
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...28ba60fbb98_story.html?utm_term=.931669a6a5ed

I anticipate that criminal indictments will be coming soon on Paul Manafort.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/18/us/politics/mueller-russia-investigation.html?_r=0


For older news on the Russian investigation--regarding others involved go to this link.
http://www.usmessageboard.com/threads/the-evidence-against-trump.604296/

For DAILY news on the Russian investigation you'll have to switch the channel from FOX NEWS to your Nemisis MSNBC--Rachel Maddow who is reporting every detail coming out of these investigations. Which is why her ratings have soared past FOX News and CNN.
http://conservativefiringline.com/maddow-fox-news-cnn-gaining/

You were warned a thousand times over about Trump, and you ignored all those warnings, including from prominent Republicans. It's your attachment at the hip to right wing web sites, and talk show hosts that defended Trump and promoted him throughout the primary season, and they still doing it. You were brainwashed into believing that all other news sites were FAKE, and now the Chickens have come home to roost. Through your lack of information, you elected what will notably go down as the worst President in this Nations history, replacing Jimmy Carter.

Reading has never killed anyone yet, you might want to try it sometime.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/10/the-gop-that-failed-215243
http://www.businessinsider.com/conservative-media-trump-drudge-coulter-2016-8

Wait, you criticize someone for supposedly being trapped in a "right wing media bubble", then proceed to quote nothing but leftist looney. :roll:

 

[AlbqOwl]

If you would get out of your right wing media bubble you would know a lot more than you do today.

Trump & his surrogates were being watched & monitored since 2015, and not by U.S. Intelligence agencies.


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/13/british-spies-first-to-spot-trump-team-links-russia

Which is why Trump Jr. couldn't pull of a secret meeting in the Trump tower in June of 2016.


Which is why Shep Smith knew in February 2017, that Trump surrogates were not only in contact with the Russian ambassador, but Russian intelligence agents, including the day that Russian hacked into DNC databases, while Trump and his aids denied any contact with Russians during the campaign season 17 TIMES.
Kushner contradicts Trump team's denials of Russia contacts - CNNPolitics



Mueller has convened two grand Jury's, loaded up on over 16 criminal prosecutors, money laundering experts, the criminal division of the IRS has joined in, and Trump is under investigation for Obstruction of Justice--(video--in post # 212 on this thread you have already seen.)
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/specia...er-using-grand-jury-in-widening-russia-probe/
https://www.forbes.com/forbes/welco...ssia-investigation-the-irs/&refURL=&referrer=
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...28ba60fbb98_story.html?utm_term=.931669a6a5ed

I anticipate that criminal indictments will be coming soon on Paul Manafort.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/18/us/politics/mueller-russia-investigation.html?_r=0


For older news on the Russian investigation--regarding others involved go to this link.
http://www.usmessageboard.com/threads/the-evidence-against-trump.604296/

For DAILY news on the Russian investigation you'll have to switch the channel from FOX NEWS to your Nemisis MSNBC--Rachel Maddow who is reporting every detail coming out of these investigations. Which is why her ratings have soared past FOX News and CNN.
http://conservativefiringline.com/maddow-fox-news-cnn-gaining/

You were warned a thousand times over about Trump, and you ignored all those warnings, including from prominent Republicans. It's your attachment at the hip to right wing web sites, and talk show hosts that defended Trump and promoted him throughout the primary season, and they still doing it. You were brainwashed into believing that all other news sites were FAKE, and now the Chickens have come home to roost. Through your lack of information, you elected what will notably go down as the worst President in this Nations history, replacing Jimmy Carter.

Reading has never killed anyone yet, you might want to try it sometime.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/10/the-gop-that-failed-215243
http://www.businessinsider.com/conservative-media-trump-drudge-coulter-2016-8

I listened, watched, and read the whole scenario--probably more sources than you have. And even Chris Matthews on MSNBC had to eventually acknowledge that there was nothing damning there.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...a-collusion-came-apart-comey-testimony-video/

And Comey affirmed multiple times that at no time has President Trump himself been involved in any investigation involving Russia or anything else the FBI was working on.

So if you take that out of the equation, what is left to justify the contempt, disrespect, and hate for the President?

 

[devildavid]

AS OF NOW. . .

Numerous people have repeated the talking points, sound bites, and accusatory and ugly rhetoric describing the President that we all have heard ad nauseum ever since he first started winning primaries.

But so far, not one brave soul has been able to present honest evidence demonstrating that those talking points, sound bites, and accusatory and ugly rhetoric is justified.

Two or three legitimate 'sins' of the President have been mentioned, but when asked if that alone was enough to condemn him, nobody will admit that.

So alas, it appears the OP will go unanswered except for the few conservatives who frame it as it is. The left can't really accuse the President of any high crimes or misdemeanors or even anything substantive that is truly objectionable, but they hate him simply because he stands for so much that they don't. Which of course is why he was elected instead of Hillary.

I'm not sure how we convince people to play fair or be intellectually honest when it comes to President Trump so that we can start moving the country forward to fix some problems and get some good stuff done. Maybe there is so much ideological nonsense and partisan loyalty out there that it will be impossible.

But I will keep hoping. . .

He does not stand for anything but himself. There is no evidence that he stands for anything but shallow America is #1 lip service and empty rah rah pep rally I'm number one rhetoric.

 

[eohrnberger]

I listened, watched, and read the whole scenario--probably more sources than you have. And even Chris Matthews on MSNBC had to eventually acknowledge that there was nothing damning there.
MSNBC's Chris Matthews ADMITS Trump-Russia Collusion 'Came Apart' With Comey Testimony (VIDEO)

Yet, there are some who call 'news' (political propaganda) media 'honest and accurate'. How long did the media flog on the Trump / Russian collusion story? Over a year? Is this what anyone reasonable would call 'honest and accurate'? :screwy

 

[HowardBThiname]

My son-in-law is of Chinese descent. He immigrated legally with his parents as a child. He is now a citizen. He has a masters degree from the University of Tennessee and has been a teacher for over 10 years. He is married and has two children. When Trump was elected, he was told by some people that it was time for him to go home to Mexico! Call me a hateful liberal (I'm used to it), but I think that was racist of them. In my opinion Trump encourages this sort of nastiness.

I think that was a racist comment too, and, I'll even agree that some folks use Trump as an excuse to show their racism. But, that's no different than the folks who threatened (and sometimes, killed) cops based on Obama's behavior. It's all wrong.

All of us know how to behave and all of us need to be responsible for our own behavior. But, just as we really can't hold Obama responsible for the behavior of cop-killers and rioters, neither can we hold Trump responsible for the behavior of blatant racists.

 

[Manc Skipper]

Wait, you criticize someone for supposedly being trapped in a "right wing media bubble", then proceed to quote nothing but leftist looney. :roll:

Reality has a "leftist looney" bias. Who knew, from inside the RWM bubble?

 

[lurchadams]

Give me what the President actually said in its full context please, and not how the media or you are spinning it please.

I don't have to post quotes for everyone to know how Trump tells horrible lies and then doubles down on his lies when challenged with no evidence whatsoever. But if you really want one of his greatest hits: here's a stark example:

On 11/21/15 Trumps exact quote:

"I watched when the World Trade Center came tumbling down," the Republican presidential candidate said at a Nov. 21 rally in Birmingham, Ala. "And I watched in Jersey City, N.J., where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. Thousands of people were cheering."

The next day, ABC This Week host George Stephanopoulos asked Trump if he misspoke, noting that "the police say that didn't happen."

Trump -- who has said he was in his Manhattan apartment the morning of the attack -- doubled down.

"It was on television. I saw it," Trump said. "It was well covered at the time, George. Now, I know they don't like to talk about it, but it was well covered at the time. There were people over in New Jersey that were watching it, a heavy Arab population, that were cheering as the buildings came down. Not good."

I post this as an example of how Trump is a horrendous person, bent on dividing this nation for no other purpose than to benefit himself politically at this nation's expense.

You know it, but you can't admit it because that doesn't support the false narrative you're trying to advance in your thread - that Trump doesn't deserve all the criticism that comes his way.

 

[lurchadams]

The empty barrels pretty much get around to attacking the messenger. That is sad.

When the messenger is bent on advancing false propaganda, that messenger is deserving of criticism as well. But stick to your false narrative that Trump is some kind of genius. Stuff like that makes me chuckle.

 

[bearpoker]

I think that was a racist comment too, and, I'll even agree that some folks use Trump as an excuse to show their racism. But, that's no different than the folks who threatened (and sometimes, killed) cops based on Obama's behavior. It's all wrong.

All of us know how to behave and all of us need to be responsible for our own behavior. But, just as we really can't hold Obama responsible for the behavior of cop-killers and rioters, neither can we hold Trump responsible for the behavior of blatant racists.

I agree that Trump isn't responsible for the actions of others but he is responsible for his own. He continually picks fight with people of color from football players to Puerto Ricans. I'll actually give him a pass on the Florida congresswoman because his behavior toward her was a typical response by him to anyone who attacks him. My point is that he actively fosters an atmosphere of racial tension and hostility.

 

[<alt>doxygen]

I listened, watched, and read the whole scenario--probably more sources than you have. And even Chris Matthews on MSNBC had to eventually acknowledge that there was nothing damning there.
MSNBC's Chris Matthews ADMITS Trump-Russia Collusion 'Came Apart' With Comey Testimony (VIDEO)

And Comey affirmed multiple times that at no time has President Trump himself been involved in any investigation involving Russia or anything else the FBI was working on.

So if you take that out of the equation, what is left to justify the contempt, disrespect, and hate for the President?

If your source is "gateway pundit", you are a consumer of bias and spin. Maybe it's time to re-read your OP and then look in the mirror.

 

[countryboy]

Reality has a "leftist looney" bias. Who knew, from inside the RWM bubble?

Lol, sure, in liberal lala land.

 

[MAGAnificent]

I see it. I recognize it. It is prevalent everywhere--among the Democrats in Congress and some Republicans, in the mainstream media, on social media, on message boards, etc. The President is stupid, ugly, hateful, racist, bigoted, sexist, inappropriate, arrogant, dangerous, etc. etc. etc. etc.

I get it.

But where is that coming from really?

Do all those people really believe Hillary was the better choice and think if they can destroy Trump they'll get somebody they can approve of? Or are they too partisan to see any positives in any conservative?

Do they get some kind of emotional satisfaction in singling out somebody to hate? Is using ugly imagery or 'clever' derogatory terms to describe him recreation for them?

Do they think they look smart by dismissing all evidence to the contrary and continuing to recite the talking points to describe him as terrible, unacceptable even when it is intellectually dishonest to do so?

Do they have no sense of justice or fair play when they are unwilling to acknowledge what was actually said or done and instead spin the accurate statement/situation into something they can attack?

Is it impossible for them to see it any other way than from a highly prejudiced and biased leftist point of view?

Is it so impossible to support his idea or work with him to accomplish something good? How do rational people deal with such obvious fear that he might get credit for something good?

And finally. . .

Is it possible to have a discussion about this in a civil, intelligent, philosophical manner that isn't derailed and destroyed by sound bites and other trollish methods?

So from your best rational perspective, what is behind the hatred of President Donald J. Trump?

You have to keep a few things in mind about the left. They no longer really care about democracy. They feel that they are entitled to the power to control Washington DC. That's why they are in such a hurry to legalize illegal immigrants. They intend to accomplish with illegal immigration what they cannot seem to accomplish honestly at the ballot box.During the primaries, after it became clear that Jeb Bush was not going to win the nomination, they did everything they could to assist Trump because they saw him as the easiest target for Hillary. They did not give him a snowball's chance in hell of beating Hillary. Then when he did win, the left felt angry and humiliated.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Poor Don, he's such a snowflake, like many of his syncophants. Don generated all kinds of hate before he ever got into the political arena based upon the lies of birtherism and accusing Ted Cruz's father of involvement in the Kennedy assassination. Anyone who realizes Don is full of **** hates him? Nah, he's just a whiney little bitch. Like you.

Still on that birther kick, huh? The birther thing was pretty mild compared to the insane beady eyed conspiracy theory of the left, claiming that Trump colluded with the Russians to defeat crooked Hillary.