What happens to women who have abortions after the court ends Roe vs Wade?

[Mr Person]

The new SCOTUS will overturn Roe as soon as the GOP can get a case to the court. So what do you think the punishment should be for women who get an abortion after Roe is ended and a state makes it a crime to get one? Should those who have been raped, 1 in every 32 rapes ends in a pregnancy, be allowed to have an abortion? What about a case of incest? Many of the religious right have said in such cases it is God's will that they get pregnant and there should be no abortion. Should this be the law of the land? Should the rapist have parental rights as some courts have ruled? I foresee a lot of problems and if it is like everything else the present GOP has done, not many solutions.

Do they weigh as much as a duck?

 

[Josie]

I seem to recall predicting that Swampy will make abortion his next issue a few months ago. This isn't new, he said as much on the campaign trail, and he said that if abortions are illegal, then women should be punished for having them. That's the thing that turned me nevertrump. Believe me when I say that this is going to happen. At first I thought he was trolling everyone, and perhaps he was, but the people he is surrounded by are willing and very capable of making his stupid plans a reality. We are seeing that with immigration, with NOKO and now abortion is just the beginning.

If Trump actually makes abortion his next issue, campaigns on overturning R v. Wade, gives speech after speech calling for the end of abortion, actively seeks out a judge to nominate that says he/she will overturn R v. Wade, I'll eat my hat.

 

[JMR]

Nonsense. No states would ban ALL abortions. No state is going to allow a woman with an ectopic pregnancy to die.

Is that a widely accepted exception? What about fetuses so malformed there is no chance of survival?

 

[JMR]

I agree. And I'm sure there will be other allowable abortions - rape, incest, health of the mother come to mind. The number of folk that absolutely oppose abortion in all circumstances isn't large.

If that is so, why is it such a hot button political issue? Why do those "small in number" people hold such sway?

 

[Josie]

Is that a widely accepted exception? What about fetuses so malformed there is no chance of survival?

Have their been any states trying to ban all abortions even when the mother's life is in danger?

Not sure on the other one -- I wouldn't be for a ban on those and I'm very pro-life.

 

[Josie]

If that is so, why is it such a hot button political issue? Why do those "small in number" people hold such sway?

Because people have different opinions on when and what circumstances it should be banned or allowed. Do you honestly know anyone who believes a women with an ectopic pregnancy shouldn't be allowed to get an abortion? I mean --- really?

 

[JMR]

Have their been any states trying to ban all abortions even when the mother's life is in danger?

Not sure on the other one -- I wouldn't be for a ban on those and I'm very pro-life.

There are currently 7 states that have only one facility providing abortions due to restrictions passed by state legislators. So even women that pass your litmus test might not be able to exercise this right, due to unavailability of a provider.

 

[Josie]

There are currently 7 states that have only one facility providing abortions due to restrictions passed by state legislators. So even women that pass your litmus test might not be able to exercise this right, due to unavailability of a provider.

I think you mean there's only one facility providing "elective abortions".

If a woman goes into the ER in one of these 7 states and she's on her death bed because of an ectopic pregnancy, they just let her die because she's not at the super special abortion building?

 

[JMR]

Because people have different opinions on when and what circumstances it should be banned or allowed. Do you honestly know anyone who believes a women with an ectopic pregnancy shouldn't be allowed to get an abortion? I mean --- really?

Other than debate forums I don't know anyone who thinks it's any of your business to decide. Really. These are personal health choices, personal reproductive choices, and you are free to make your own. As am I. There is no need to discuss the exceptions, the border line, the punishment. Answer your own conscience, and respect the choice of other people.

Just fyi, it was not so long ago that saving the life of a child over the mother was common and dictated practice at Catholic Hospitals. It is by no means a stretch of the imagination to think a state might ban ALL abortions. With no Roe vs Wade it would take a simple majority vote of the state legislature.

 

[JMR]

I think you mean there's only one facility providing "elective abortions".

If a woman goes into the ER in one of these 7 states and she's on her death bed because of an ectopic pregnancy, they just let her die because she's not at the super special abortion building?

Well please God, let it be an ectopic pregnancy that is the problem...and let her be on her death bed. Really:roll:...Never mind the same page, I can't get on the same book with you.

So, take care. Maybe we will discuss some other topic some time.

 

[Bullseye]

If that is so, why is it such a hot button political issue? Why do those "small in number" people hold such sway?

See for yourself Looks like "never legal" runs about 20%

 

[Josie]

Other than debate forums I don't know anyone who thinks it's any of your business to decide. Really. These are personal health choices, personal reproductive choices, and you are free to make your own. As am I. There is no need to discuss the exceptions, the border line, the punishment. Answer your own conscience, and respect the choice of other people.

Just fyi, it was not so long ago that saving the life of a child over the mother was common and dictated practice at Catholic Hospitals. It is by no means a stretch of the imagination to think a state might ban ALL abortions. With no Roe vs Wade it would take a simple majority vote of the state legislature.

It is a stretch of the imagination. I would venture to guess the vast majority of Catholics would not be for banning ALL abortions. Some would even be against overturning R v. W. I can't see any state legislature having a majority that want women to die in pregnancy. Which state or states are you thinking would do it and what evidence do you have that the majority would ban all abortions?

 

[JMR]

See for yourself Looks like "never legal" runs about 20%

Well you see, that is exactly the problem. You have 20% of the population locked in, and on any given day they can sway a few more....who think it's "wrong" after 6 weeks, or "wrong" if the mother does not have a sonogram, or "wrong" if the sex was consensual, or "wrong" for any and all of their own private musings.

This should not be a government issue.

 

[Josie]

Well please God, let it be an ectopic pregnancy that is the problem...and let her be on her death bed. Really:roll:...Never mind the same page, I can't get on the same book with you.

So, take care. Maybe we will discuss some other topic some time.

Um -- I gave you my scenario (ectopic pregnancy) and you said in 7 states the woman in my scenario might not be able to get an abortion because there's only one abortion clinic in the state. My scenario is an emergency. Emergency room doctors would abort the baby and save the life of the woman. In what state do they let them die?

 

[vesper]

Abortion among an array of issues I would like to see returned back to the states. My hope is states' rights will be restored. In doing so it would bring back balance of powers. For decades states' rights have eroded.


If states' rights were restored that also comes with it each state to take personal responsibility and no longer welfare recipients taking carrots on the stick from the Federal government.
It would force states to become fiscally responsible at the same time forcing the Federal government to focus on what they were Constitutionally responsible for and no more.

I am looking forward to another Constitutionalist being appointed to the S.C.. In that I have hope of States' rights being restored.

 

[Casper]

The new SCOTUS will overturn Roe as soon as the GOP can get a case to the court. So what do you think the punishment should be for women who get an abortion after Roe is ended and a state makes it a crime to get one? Should those who have been raped, 1 in every 32 rapes ends in a pregnancy, be allowed to have an abortion? What about a case of incest? Many of the religious right have said in such cases it is God's will that they get pregnant and there should be no abortion. Should this be the law of the land? Should the rapist have parental rights as some courts have ruled? I foresee a lot of problems and if it is like everything else the present GOP has done, not many solutions.

Jumping the gun there a bit, I would be so sure your assumption is going come to pass.

 

[JMR]

It is a stretch of the imagination. I would venture to guess the vast majority of Catholics would not be for banning ALL abortions. Some would even be against overturning R v. W. I can't see any state legislature having a majority that want women to die in pregnancy. Which state or states are you thinking would do it and what evidence do you have that the majority would ban all abortions?

From everything I have read, a great majority of this country is in favor of legal abortion. That has not stopped states from passing laws to restrict it.

Your argument is based on the idea that never will women with ectopic pregnancies be denied an abortion....your own personal litmus test, boundary, line in the sand...whatever you would like to call it, to justify your belief that you have a right to dictate to another woman what choices she can make in her own life. Women have the right to elect abortion. It ain't your business to define under which circumstances.

That is the issue....and many states have shown an inclination to restrict abortions. And if that trend continues, good luck finding a doctor able to perform one in the ER, should you have an ectopic pregnancy, (by far, not the only life threatening scenario) because fewer and fewer med students are learning the procedure.

 

[Kal'Stang]

The new SCOTUS will overturn Roe as soon as the GOP can get a case to the court. So what do you think the punishment should be for women who get an abortion after Roe is ended and a state makes it a crime to get one? Should those who have been raped, 1 in every 32 rapes ends in a pregnancy, be allowed to have an abortion? What about a case of incest? Many of the religious right have said in such cases it is God's will that they get pregnant and there should be no abortion. Should this be the law of the land? Should the rapist have parental rights as some courts have ruled? I foresee a lot of problems and if it is like everything else the present GOP has done, not many solutions.

:roll: SCOTUS will not overturn RvW. This is nothing more than a scare tactic by Dems.

 

[Josie]

From everything I have read, a great majority of this country is in favor of legal abortion. That has not stopped states from passing laws to restrict it.

Your argument is based on the idea that never will women with ectopic pregnancies be denied an abortion....your own personal litmus test, boundary, line in the sand...whatever you would like to call it, to justify your belief that you have a right to dictate to another woman what choices she can make in her own life. Women have the right to elect abortion. It ain't your business to define under which circumstances.

That is the issue....and many states have shown an inclination to restrict abortions. And if that trend continues, good luck finding a doctor able to perform one in the ER, should you have an ectopic pregnancy, (by far, not the only life threatening scenario) because fewer and fewer med students are learning the procedure.

There are absolutely states that want to restrict it, but we're talking about outright banning of all abortions .... which will never happen.

I understand that you believe women have the right to elective abortions - to choose death for their unborn child. I feel differently than you because I see the unborn as a person. You don't. I'm not here to debate that because it's been done ad nauseum.

Good night.

 

[Mizzy22]

The "doctor" committing the abortion will get the punishment.

After they are illegal,a Doctor won't be doing the abortion.
But Chuck in his back alley apartment,with a coat hanger

 

[Bullseye]

Well you see, that is exactly the problem. You have 20% of the population locked in, and on any given day they can sway a few more....who think it's "wrong" after 6 weeks, or "wrong" if the mother does not have a sonogram, or "wrong" if the sex was consensual, or "wrong" for any and all of their own private musings.

This should not be a government issue.

I doubt it hinges on "any given day". People change slowly.

 

[JMR]

There are absolutely states that want to restrict it, but we're talking about outright banning of all abortions .... which will never happen.

I understand that you believe women have the right to elective abortions - to choose death for their unborn child. I feel differently than you because I see the unborn as a person. You don't. I'm not here to debate that because it's been done ad nauseum.

Good night.

True...we are completely on different sides of this issue. But I do hope you rethink your defense of states declaring exactly which emergencies might be valid. Do you imagine a list of complications that the near death woman would be evaluated on? Is that something the state should legislate? This back and forth of congress and courts and protesters could go on forever. It has become a political issue, that keeps some people voting in a certain way. I agree discussed ad nauseum.

 

[JMR]

:roll: SCOTUS will not overturn RvW. This is nothing more than a scare tactic by Dems.

Actually I think it the the GOP who are claiming that the Dems are claiming that the court will overturn Roe vs. Wade.

The GOP controlled court will not overturn Roe vs. Wade...it is their biggest draw to the ballot box among their sheeple. They will just turn a blind eye and approve any and all restrictions that states propose. And then drag it back out as an issue again for the next election. Why kill the goose that lays the golden egg....

 

[Chomsky]

As I understand it, repealing Roe v. Wade doesn't outlaw abortion it just puts the burden back into states' hands.

Exactly.

It will repeal the right on the national basis.

However it will indeed end the right in many states, as they chose to outlaw it.

 

[Chomsky]

I did a word scan for the word "abortion" in the US Constitution. There were no hits. I wonder if there's a bug in Microsoft Word.

No, there isn't. But there's definitely a bug in your logic! :doh