What Happened to so-called "The Caravan"?

[JackA]

Whoa, be careful, your objectivity is showing. So, was he scum when he was talking about it, or is he scum because he stopped? Or, are you just irrational and think the president is scum, in general?

Clearly he was scum when he was talking about it since it was a made up issue and he remains scum when not talking about it since what he should do is apologize for trying to mislead the country. So scum both coming and going. Next question.

 

[Nickyjo]

Words have established meanings, which I tend to use correctly.

True, there may be some prostitutes among the migrants...

 

[Nickyjo]

It was all in the news until the election... Since Trump does not control the news why is he being blamed for the reporting or lack threrof?

My point was that his caravanphobic behavior was used to influence votes and turn out his base. Clearly there is still interest by the media, but it is less prominent since Trump shut up a bit.

 

[Fledermaus]

My point was that his caravanphobic behavior was used to influence votes and turn out his base. Clearly there is still interest by the media, but it is less prominent since Trump shut up a bit.

Trump doesn't control the press. If the press were really interested in the caravan they would cover it. But since the election is over it appears the press no longer needs the caravan.

 

[Crossfire]

Like I said, you only prove my point. Trump is a piece of **** who only used the caravan as political bull**** for the midterms and now that the midterms are over, he doesn't give a **** about the caravan. Thank you for proving what a piece of **** Trump really is.

Clearly no Trump Derangement Syndrome here.

 

[Crossfire]

Clearly he was scum when he was talking about it since it was a made up issue and he remains scum when not talking about it since what he should do is apologize for trying to mislead the country. So scum both coming and going. Next question.

Or here.

 

[Nickyjo]

Trump doesn't control the press. If the press were really interested in the caravan they would cover it. But since the election is over it appears the press no longer needs the caravan.

You can’t possibly be serious. What would the media ever “need” the caravan for? The situation in Honduras is newsworthy. The exit of so many people, ditto. Their migrating in large numbers together towards the US also newsworthy. You can bet it is being covered in Mexican media as well. Trump’s involvement put it as the lead story, but it will still be covered now that the election is over.

 

[Mycroft]

Not one word about it since election day, last week.

Trump and Republicans Mum on Migrant Caravan Since Election

So, what happened? Answer: Nothing. It was never a major threat. It was never a "National Emergency" as Trump declared. The 15+K US troops that have been deployed on the border are going to spend their Thanksgiving and Christmas holidays away from their families, eating MRE's........for NOTHING, because of a REPUBLICAN POLITICAL STUNT! And at a projected tax-payer cost of $45M-$115M.

There was never any evidence of "gangs like MS-13" within it (as Trump declared).

There were no "leftist groups" (much less, George Soros himself) "secretly funding" it (as FoxNews declared).

There were no "Middle Easterners" secretely imbedded within it (as FoxNews declared).

There was never any evidence of "diseases like Small Pox" (which was eradicated from the earth decades ago, for Pete's sake), or leperasy among them.

It was just a political talking point used to gin up hysteria among the Trumpians and the wingnut crowd. The REAL "caravan", however, remains unchanged. It's STILL mostly just a bunch of Salvadoran and Honduran mothers in flip-flops (and their children) who are fleeing for their lives.

Ladies and Gentlemen, this is what you get when Right-wingers are given the reins to the government. Thankfully, and for the sake of all Americans of good conscience, we (as an American society) have begun taking the necessary corrective measures.

It appears that you and that article writer share a dubious trait: Ignorance caused by reliance on the mainstream media.

The migrant mob has been in the news. It just hasn't been reported by the guys YOU get your news from.



https://fox5sandiego.com/2018/11/13/video-shows-group-climbing-on-border-fence/


Now...as to why Trump isn't talking about it anymore: He doesn't need to. He told the country about the thousands who are mounting a assault on our border. He has taken steps to repel that assault.

Now we wait.


Now...as to why the mainstream media isn't talking about it anymore: It doesn't serve their purpose. The only reason they talked about it at all was in order to oppose Trump. Since Trump isn't talking, they see no need to talk. Heck, they'd rather their useful idiots forget all about the mob.

 

[Sabre]

Nothing has happened to the caravan, the first are already here and others not far behind as they are being "bused" through Mexico to the border.

Here is some of the information from the first to make it:

Several hundred members of the migrant caravan moving through Central America made it to Mexico’s border with the U.S. this week, where they will most likely wait to legally enter a port of entry as asylum seekers.

Dozens of LGBTQ migrants settled into a local shelter in Tijuana (located just south of San Diego) on Monday, The Washington Post reported. Various U.S. and Mexican LGBTQ organizations allegedly helped fund their trip to the border by bus, allowing them to get ahead of the rest of the group.

“We were discriminated against, even in the caravan,” said Erick Dubon, 23, a Honduran migrant traveling with his boyfriend. “People wouldn’t let us into trucks, they made us get in the back of the line for showers, they would call us ugly names.”

More than 300 migrants had made it to Tijuana by Tuesday, according to the Post, as local officials said they’re expecting larger numbers in the coming weeks.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/migrant-caravan-lgbtq-asylum_us_5bebf047e4b0caeec2bfba5d

 

[Fledermaus]

You can’t possibly be serious. What would the media ever “need” the caravan for? The situation in Honduras is newsworthy. The exit of so many people, ditto. Their migrating in large numbers together towards the US also newsworthy. You can bet it is being covered in Mexican media as well. Trump’s involvement put it as the lead story, but it will still be covered now that the election is over.

Don't be naive....

The same reason they needed to misrepresent photos of children in cages and Photoshop the child that WASN'T taken from her mother during the last influx of illegal aliens + Asylum seekers.....

 

[Nickyjo]

Don't be naive....

The same reason they needed to misrepresent photos of children in cages and Photoshop the child that WASN'T taken from her mother during the last influx of illegal aliens + Asylum seekers.....

Look, if the media phonies up stories about the migrant caravan, it’s on them. They get the blame. But there is no need to exaggerate Trump’s illegal, heartless attitudes towards these people, portraying them as some dire threat to our existence. This is fascist stuff, creating some scapegoat for us to hate, a zombie apocalypse heading to our sacred border. We’ve seen this movie before. The man embarrasses us before the world.

 

[Fledermaus]

Look, if the media phonies up stories about the migrant caravan, it’s on them. They get the blame. But there is no need to exaggerate Trump’s illegal, heartless attitudes towards these people, portraying them as some dire threat to our existence. This is fascist stuff, creating some scapegoat for us to hate, a zombie apocalypse heading to our sacred border. We’ve seen this movie before. The man embarrasses us before the world.

And in a heartbeat you spin from the caravan to firing off on Trump and the "illegal and heartless" attitudes.... And you can't understand the anti-trump atmosphere and the reporting prior to the elections? You just demonstrate how the caravan benefitted the anti-Trumpers... The stories served to keep the blood boiling.

 

[Puigb]

Just another race baiting tool Trump used to rile up the rubes in the GOP base. Trump is the master race baiter, ranging from the phony birther issue, the wall, muslim ban, tweeting phony black on white crime statistics, the caravan, illegals voting, etc. Anything to get the angry GOP voters to the polls, and hell, it works! It's been proven over and over again.

 

[Mason66]

Not one word about it since election day, last week.

Trump and Republicans Mum on Migrant Caravan Since Election

So, what happened? Answer: Nothing. It was never a major threat. It was never a "National Emergency" as Trump declared. The 15+K US troops that have been deployed on the border are going to spend their Thanksgiving and Christmas holidays away from their families, eating MRE's........for NOTHING, because of a REPUBLICAN POLITICAL STUNT! And at a projected tax-payer cost of $45M-$115M.

There was never any evidence of "gangs like MS-13" within it (as Trump declared).

There were no "leftist groups" (much less, George Soros himself) "secretly funding" it (as FoxNews declared).

There were no "Middle Easterners" secretely imbedded within it (as FoxNews declared).

There was never any evidence of "diseases like Small Pox" (which was eradicated from the earth decades ago, for Pete's sake), or leperasy among them.

It was just a political talking point used to gin up hysteria among the Trumpians and the wingnut crowd. The REAL "caravan", however, remains unchanged. It's STILL mostly just a bunch of Salvadoran and Honduran mothers in flip-flops (and their children) who are fleeing for their lives.

Ladies and Gentlemen, this is what you get when Right-wingers are given the reins to the government. Thankfully, and for the sake of all Americans of good conscience, we (as an American society) have begun taking the necessary corrective measures.

I already posted a thread about their latest movements.

It is here

https://www.debatepolitics.com/gene.../337414-latest-caravan-if-you-interested.html

 

[ultmd]

It appears that you and that article writer share a dubious trait: Ignorance caused by reliance on the mainstream media.

:lamo
So your reponse leads with an ad hominem. Gee, what a surprise. Well, trust me when I tell you that I won't lose any sleep after being called ignorant by you or your moronic ilk.

The relevant (and, for you, unfortunate) facts here are that the so-called Caravan has absolutely NOT been part of the daily coverage (much less, the LEAD STORY) of the national right wing media since election day. That is not arguable. So, to argue otherwise is to be a fool. Secondly....with regard to your attempted personal insults, let's be clear about one thing: people like you, who rely upon the fake news industry are simply not equipped to effectively engage people like me in a substantive debate. If you wish to try your luck on this issue, however....please do so. I look forward to it.

The migrant morb has been in the news. It just hasn't been reported by the guys YOU get your news from.

https://fox5sandiego.com/2018/11/13/video-shows-group-climbing-on-border-fence/
Now...as to why Trump isn't talking about it anymore: He doesn't need to. He told the country about the thousands who are mounting a assault on our border. He has taken steps to repel that assault.

:lamo
A single local Fox news outlet, huh? Thanks. That represents quite a difference from being the lead story on EVERY single FoxNews Channel program for the entire month of October, don't you think? Actually, it really doesn't matter what people like you think. Rational, intelligent people can see what blind ideologues cannot.

Now...as to why the mainstream media isn't talking about it anymore: It doesn't serve their purpose. The only reason they talked about it at all was in order to oppose Trump. Since Trump isn't talking, they see no need to talk. Heck, they'd rather their useful idiots forget all about the mob.

The legitimate (i.e. "mainstream") news media was not driving that fake "Caravan" controversy. That was Trump abd FauxNews, along with the rest of the Conservative Entertainment Complex, who considered it a "National Emergency" in order to gin up fear and rage of the idiots who comprise the Trump base. You're a big Trump supporter, so clearly, you swallowed that story whole. LOL>

 

[ultmd]

Clearly no Trump Derangement Syndrome here.

LOL, TDS was actually the term originally created to describe the brainwashed, low-information types who comprise the ranks of Trump's acoloytes.

Just like the term "Fake News", TDS was been appropriated by the wingnut media. And, as always, their low-info, intellectually challenged customers fail to understand why they are mocked for using it.

So....clealry, TDS is evident in the author of the above quote

 

[Lovebug]

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/14/world/americas/migrants-caravan-tijuana-border.html

 

[ultmd]

Trump doesn't control the press. If the press were really interested in the caravan they would cover it. But since the election is over it appears the press no longer needs the caravan.

Trump absolutely corrordinates with various media personalities at FoxNews. To deny that is to be dishonest. Sorry.

FoxNews was responsible for creating, and pushing the fake "Caravan" controversy....as well as all of ther various conspiracy theories surrounding it.

There was never any evidence of "middle easterners" in the group.

There was never a shred of evidence that George Soros (or, by implication, "rich Jews") were financing the group.

There was never a shred of evidence that the migrants are "carrying diseases like small pox, TB and the plague" (or any other infectious diseases). Agsain, the mere fact that wingnuts failed to recognize that Small Pox has been totally irradicated from the earth for decades now...simple speaks to the overall ignorance of the Trump/FoxNews crowd.

There was never any evidence that hordes of MS-13 gang members were in the group.

etc. etc. etc.

 

[Kal'Stang]

LOL, TDS was actually the term originally created to describe the brainwashed, low-information types who comprise the ranks of Trump's acoloytes.

Just like the term "Fake News", TDS was been appropriated by the wingnut media. And, as always, their low-info, intellectually challenged customers fail to understand why they are mocked for using it.

So....clealry, TDS is evident in the author of the above quote

Trump derangement syndrome

Trump derangement syndrome (TDS) is a neologism describing a reaction to United States President Donald Trump by liberals, progressives, and anti-Trump conservatives, who are said to respond to Trump's statements and political actions irrationally and with little regard to Trump's actual position or action taken.[1] The term has also been used to discredit criticism of Trump's actions.[2]

Trump's diagnosis for critics: 'Trump Derangement Syndrome'

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump and his supporters have a new buzz phrase to diagnose his critics: “Trump Derangement Syndrome.”

The term is supposed to describe voters who are so angry and opposed to the U.S. president that they are incapable of seeing any good in what he does. “TDS” has popped up on Fox News in recent weeks and was cited by Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., in interviews this week before being used by the president himself on Twitter on Wednesday.

What is 'Trump Derangement Syndrome' -- and do you have it?

(CNN)Earlier this week, President Donald Trump diagnosed his opponents with an illness.

"Some people HATE the fact that I got along well with President Putin of Russia," he tweeted. "They would rather go to war than see this. It's called Trump Derangement Syndrome!"

What were you saying about "low-information types" again?

 

[Mycroft]

:lamo
So your reponse leads with an ad hominem. Gee, what a surprise. Well, trust me when I tell you that I won't lose any sleep after being called ignorant by you or your moronic ilk.

The ignorant rarely lose sleep over their ignorance.

 

[Sabre]

Trump derangement syndrome

Trump's diagnosis for critics: 'Trump Derangement Syndrome'

What is 'Trump Derangement Syndrome' -- and do you have it?

What were you saying about "low-information types" again?

You need to cut him some slack because he clearly is suffering from TDS but is unaware of it.

 

[Kal'Stang]

You need to cut him some slack because he clearly is suffering from TDS but is unaware of it.

Perhaps. However, on a certain level he's not wrong about it being able to be applied to certain Trump supporters. Not all. But certain ones yes. Like any other syndrome out here...there are variations for the same basic malady.

 

[ultmd]

What were you saying about "low-information types" again?

What part of the phrase "has been appropriated" escapes you?

The simple fact is that people were using the phrase Trump Derangement Syndrome way back in 2015 to describe (and, quite frankly, to mock) conservative Trump supporters for being the same people who had ridden on the back of the entirely fake "Family, Faith and Values" horse since the '90s......yet who literally deified a completely amoral, thrise-married, lying con-artist and serial sexual predator and adulterer primarily because he appealed to their inner-most cultural/racial/reigious resentments and fears.

Trump embraced it and flipped it in his rallies, and his low-information followers were none-the-wiser. He did the very same with the term "fake news".

Posting Wikopedia articles and columns from 2017 and 2018 simply illustrates my point. You can also find other definitions for TDS on other sources, like Urban Dictionary...but the simple fact is that it began as a term used to describe Trump acolytes.

 

[ultmd]

The ignorant rarely lose sleep over their ignorance.

That only applies to the blissfully ignorant.

The rest just go around making emotional/ideological arguments they can't defend, and dodging substantive debate by deflecting with personal insults.

Got that?

 

[Fledermaus]

Trump absolutely corrordinates with various media personalities at FoxNews. To deny that is to be dishonest. Sorry.

FoxNews was responsible for creating, and pushing the fake "Caravan" controversy....as well as all of ther various conspiracy theories surrounding it.

There was never any evidence of "middle easterners" in the group.

There was never a shred of evidence that George Soros (or, by implication, "rich Jews") were financing the group.

There was never a shred of evidence that the migrants are "carrying diseases like small pox, TB and the plague" (or any other infectious diseases). Agsain, the mere fact that wingnuts failed to recognize that Small Pox has been totally irradicated from the earth for decades now...simple speaks to the overall ignorance of the Trump/FoxNews crowd.

There was never any evidence that hordes of MS-13 gang members were in the group.

etc. etc. etc.

FoxNews....

Wow.

One whole network.

My statement:

"Trump doesn't control the press."

Doesn't the press include CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC, Etc... The Washington Post, the New York Times, Reuters, AP, UP, etc.?

Now I know some folks believes FoxNews has some sort of superpowers... But I am not one of them.

I stand by me statement.... Trump doesn't control the press.