What everyone is ignoring in Kavanaugh's accusers letter:

[joko104]

Dr. Ford, accuser of Justice Kavanaugh, said her letter:

"I have received medical treatment regarding the assault."

That makes this simple in terms of learning the date and what she said back then. Even if she does not remember what hospital, that is easy enough to explore. Just contact every hospital and clinic for their records, with a subpoena, for every medical record concerning her in 1982 to 1984. Then we would know the EXACT date and the injuries she claimed she suffered, plus any notes made about what she said happened at the time.

Am I the ONLY person who noticed that sentence? It is THE most important "fact" in her letter. Who did she receive "medical care" from (not psychological counseling)? That would narrow it down to no more than a day or two plus would confirm her claim she was assaulted.

Why does NO ONE even ask that??? That should be zeroed in on - and should have been from the very start.

 

[Barnacle]

Dr. Ford, accuser of Justice Kavanaugh, said her letter:

"I have received medical treatment regarding the assault."

That makes this simple in terms of learning the date and what she said back then. Even if she does not remember what hospital, that is easy enough to explore. Just contact every hospital and clinic for their records, with a subpoena, for every medical record concerning her in 1982 to 1984. Then we would know the EXACT date and the injuries she claimed she suffered, plus any notes made about what she said happened at the time.

Am I the ONLY person who noticed that sentence? It is THE most important "fact" in her letter. Who did she receive "medical care" from (not psychological counseling)? That would narrow it down to no more than a day or two plus would confirm her claim she was assaulted.

Why does NO ONE even ask that??? That should be zeroed in on - and should have been from the very start.

She's probably referring to the couples therapy in 2012 ...

 

[Bodi]

Dr. Ford, accuser of Justice Kavanaugh, said her letter:

"I have received medical treatment regarding the assault."

That makes this simple in terms of learning the date and what she said back then. Even if she does not remember what hospital, that is easy enough to explore. Just contact every hospital and clinic for their records, with a subpoena, for every medical record concerning her in 1982 to 1984. Then we would know the EXACT date and the injuries she claimed she suffered, plus any notes made about what she said happened at the time.

Am I the ONLY person who noticed that sentence? It is THE most important "fact" in her letter. Who did she receive "medical care" from (not psychological counseling)? That would narrow it down to no more than a day or two plus would confirm her claim she was assaulted.

Why does NO ONE even ask that??? That should be zeroed in on - and should have been from the very start.

You are the only one because nobody else cares about your Witch Hunt.

 

[Slyfox696]

Dr. Ford, accuser of Justice Kavanaugh, said her letter:

"I have received medical treatment regarding the assault."

That makes this simple in terms of learning the date and what she said back then. Even if she does not remember what hospital, that is easy enough to explore. Just contact every hospital and clinic for their records, with a subpoena, for every medical record concerning her in 1982 to 1984.

Yeah, you cannot do that. At all. Legally what you are saying is impossible. Every hospital/doctor's legal department would laugh at you before they hang up.

Why does NO ONE even ask that???

Because what you are wanting to do would be a violation of the law. :shrug:

 

[TheGoverness]

Can you even do that?

 

[Slyfox696]

Can you even do that?

No. Random party cannot subpoena another person's medical records for no reason.

 

[Mycroft]

Dr. Ford, accuser of Justice Kavanaugh, said her letter:

"I have received medical treatment regarding the assault."

That makes this simple in terms of learning the date and what she said back then. Even if she does not remember what hospital, that is easy enough to explore. Just contact every hospital and clinic for their records, with a subpoena, for every medical record concerning her in 1982 to 1984. Then we would know the EXACT date and the injuries she claimed she suffered, plus any notes made about what she said happened at the time.

Am I the ONLY person who noticed that sentence? It is THE most important "fact" in her letter. Who did she receive "medical care" from (not psychological counseling)? That would narrow it down to no more than a day or two plus would confirm her claim she was assaulted.

Why does NO ONE even ask that??? That should be zeroed in on - and should have been from the very start.

Yeah...I'm with Barnacle on this. Some people have a very loose definition of "medical treatment".

As for the rest, if she did, in fact, receive actual medical treatment for a sexual assault there would be no question about it. The medical facility would have called the police.

 

[Skeptic Bob]

I was curious about that sentence as well. Psychiatric treatment most certainly can be considered medical treatment, but marriage counseling is not.

Though I’m not sure hospitals are going to go through decades old records looking for this without a court order, and I don’t think a court would issue such an order when no charges are pending.

It would probably be up to Congress to subpoena the records.

 

[Skeptic Bob]

No. Random party cannot subpoena another person's medical records for no reason.

Congressional subpoena powers seems to be less constricted than judicial subpoena powers. At least that is my impression based on the 5 minutes of research I just did on it.

 

[Slyfox696]

As for the rest, if she did, in fact, receive actual medical treatment for a sexual assault there would be no question about it. The medical facility would have called the police.

False. Why do you keep posting things which are not true?

To protect patient confidentiality, Maryland does not have mandatory reporting laws for domestic violence or sexual assault. You may not report suspected or confirmed domestic violence or sexual assault unless the adult victim consents or for one of the following exceptions:

Exceptions: Disclosure is mandated in the following three conditions:

Exceptions: Disclosure is mandated in the following three conditions:

1. Child abuse

If the case involves physical or sexual abuse of a child up to age 18 by a parent, guardian, other person with permanent or temporary custody, or family or household member, then health care professionals are mandated to report to Child Protective Services (CPS) or law enforcement.

2. Vulnerable adult abuse

If the case involves neglect, self-abuse, or exploitation of a vulnerable adult (adult aged 18 or older lacking the physical or mental capacity to provide for daily needs), then medical personnel, police, and human service workers should report to Adult Protective Services (APS) or law enforcement.

3. Treatment of an injury by health care provider

If the injury was caused by a gunshot or moving vessel, then medical personnel must report to law enforcement.
In Allegany, Anne Arundel, Charles, Kent, Montgomery, Prince George’s, Somerset, Talbot and Wicomico counties, if injury is caused by an “auto accident or lethal weapon”, then medical personnel must report to law enforcement.

https://phpa.health.maryland.gov/mch/Pages/IPV_Reporting.aspx


The treating facility would have only called the police if the victim wanted them to call.

Congressional subpoena powers seems to be less constricted than judicial subpoena powers. At least that is my impression based on the 5 minutes of research I just did on it.

It wouldn't matter. Congress would not be allowed to force a medical facility to violate HIPPA laws to appease a political process which does not involve the patient in any way.

 

[Mycroft]

False. Why do you keep posting things which are not true?


https://phpa.health.maryland.gov/mch/Pages/IPV_Reporting.aspx


The treating facility would have only called the police if the victim wanted them to call.
It wouldn't matter. Congress would not be allowed to force a medical facility to violate HIPPA laws to appease a political process which does not involve the patient in any way.

Did Maryland have the same law 35 years ago?

 

[Slyfox696]

Did Maryland have the same law 35 years ago?

Do your own research. You were the one who made the claim which was clearly false.

But hey, feel free to find out if a state in this country had MORE restrictive regulations regarding sexual assault 30 years ago and just randomly decided during the last few years to roll back those protections. :roll:

 

[Mycroft]

Do your own research. You were the one who made the claim which was clearly false.

But hey, feel free to find out if a state in this country had MORE restrictive regulations regarding sexual assault 30 years ago and just randomly decided during the last few years to roll back those protections. :roll:

I've seen no evidence from anyone that my claim is false. If you think it is, you'll need to provide the information. Have at it.

In any case, that pamphlet was printed in 2006...that's more than "the last few years".

 

[Slyfox696]

I've seen no evidence from anyone that my claim is false.

That is a lie, because I literally provided you with the information from the Maryland government website.

If you think it is, you'll need to provide the information

I already did.

Why do you keep posting things which are clearly false? Why would you continue to post lies?

 

[joko104]

Yeah, you cannot do that. At all. Legally what you are saying is impossible. Every hospital/doctor's legal department would laugh at you before they hang up.

Because what you are wanting to do would be a violation of the law. :shrug:

Yeah, you are 100% wrong. ANY hospital or medical records can be subpoenaed. There is NO doctor-patient privilege in LEGAL proceedings. You totally do NOT understand HIPPA rules.

Everyone knows that too. After serious accidents the police always want blood work to show if alcohol and/or drugs were involved. But it takes a subpoena.

There is no such thing as doctor-patient or psychologist-patient privilege in regards to criminal and court actions. Such people can be compelled to testify and their records subpoenaed.

 

[joko104]

She's probably referring to the couples therapy in 2012 ...

That's not "medical care." Not even close.

 

[Mycroft]

That is a lie, because I literally provided you with the information from the Maryland government website.
I already did.

Why do you keep posting things which are clearly false? Why would you continue to post lies?

I raised doubts that your 12 year old information applied 35 years ago. Your information is useless.

 

[joko104]

False. Why do you keep posting things which are not true?


https://phpa.health.maryland.gov/mch/Pages/IPV_Reporting.aspx


The treating facility would have only called the police if the victim wanted them to call.
It wouldn't matter. Congress would not be allowed to force a medical facility to violate HIPPA laws to appease a political process which does not involve the patient in any way.

You link is ONLY about mandatory reporting, not subpoenaing records and witnesses in a criminal or official legal proceeding, even in a civil lawsuit. If you are in an accident, the other driver taken to the hospital, and you sue, wanting to subpoena medical records to document the other driver was drunk, you can do so - and force the medical personnel to court to prove it up (but have to pay their hourly rate, which will be extremely high).

 

[Slyfox696]

Yeah, you are 100% wrong.

No, I am not.

ANY hospital or medical records can be subpoenaed.

Not by random parties for no reason. As I said.

There is NO doctor-patient privilege in LEGAL proceedings.

These are not "legal" proceedings, they are political proceedings.

You totally do NOT understand HIPPA rules.

Clearly I understand them way better than you.

You are wrong. Stop posting false things.

Everyone knows that too. After serious accidents the police always want blood work to show if alcohol and/or drugs were involved. But it takes a subpoena.

As I have repeatedly told you, this is not a criminal matter. Stop saying such ridiculous things.

There is no such thing as doctor-patient or psychologist-patient privilege in regards to criminal and court actions.

This is neither criminal nor a court action, it is a political process. As such, there would be ZERO legal reason for a hospital to turn over a patient's medical records without her consent.

You are wrong. What you are saying is stupid. Just stop.

 

[chuckiechan]

I was curious about that sentence as well. Psychiatric treatment most certainly can be considered medical treatment, but marriage counseling is not.

Though I’m not sure hospitals are going to go through decades old records looking for this without a court order, and I don’t think a court would issue such an order when no charges are pending.

It would probably be up to Congress to subpoena the records.

She hasn’t identified the hospital. Or the location of the party. Or other participants. Or the date. She was somewhere drunk on a bed in a bikini. Great witness for a bunch of entitled rich kids trying to explain trying to get laid and even failed at that, yet she is the only one who remembers through her drunken haze and decides to finger some stranger.

 

[joko104]

No. Random party cannot subpoena another person's medical records for no reason.

Congress is NOT a random party. Besides, the committee should ask for her to give consent anyway. If she refused, that alone would tell the story. Regardless, Congress could subpoena any medical records and any medical and psychological personnel it wants to. That is NOT a protected privilege in LEGAL proceedings. It just means they could not release the info to you or I - unless we had a subpoena.

 

[joko104]

She hasn’t identified the hospital. Or the location of the party. Or other participants. Or the date. She was somewhere drunk on a bed in a bikini. Great witness for a bunch of entitled rich kids trying to explain trying to get laid and even failed at that, yet she is the only one who remembers through her drunken haze and decides to finger some stranger.

One piece swimming suit.

She fingered Trump's appointee to the SCOTUS only after the nomination. Suddenly and only then did she remember who the guy was - other than she claims her husband will back her up.

 

[joko104]

No, I am not.

Not by random parties for no reason. As I said.

These are not "legal" proceedings, they are political proceedings.

Clearly I understand them way better than you.

You are wrong. Stop posting false things.

As I have repeatedly told you, this is not a criminal matter. Stop saying such ridiculous things.

This is neither criminal nor a court action, it is a political process. As such, there would be ZERO legal reason for a hospital to turn over a patient's medical records without her consent.

You are wrong. What you are saying is stupid. Just stop.

Congressional proceedings are legal proceedings. It does not have to be a criminal matter. They also can be subpoenaed in civil lawsuits. There is no doctor-patient privilege in legal proceedings. A Congressional hearing is a legal proceeding. That is why people are protected against slander for what they say before any governmental body.

You're just wrong and repeating it over and over doesn't make it right. Besides, she should sign off on it anyway or told to get lost.

 

[markjs]

....You are wrong. What you are saying is stupid. Just stop.

But without his low fact, CT laden lunacy, defend TRump and Trumpling ideals (as if there were a reaal such thing), at all costs, these guys would never have anything to post. These people's worlds will implode in the likely even Trump goes down. I'd hate to have to pay that therapy bill.:roll::lamo:mrgreen:

 

[Mach]

I raised doubts that your 12 year old information applied 35 years ago. Your information is useless.

Holy ****-balls, there is Mycroft in action yet again.

Mycroft "raised doubts" is sufficient to contradict actual evidence that refutes his claim. How do you look at yourself in the mirror when you claim **** like this?
All about the facts...except you know, if Mycroft farts really loud and it gives him doubts, then his doubts are sufficient to contradict actual evidence.

Why don't you just doubt the claim: "Mycroft didn't just get $10M". Maybe it will come true!!!