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What does Kim Jong-in want?

Again, I'm not the Pentagon. None of us know what plans they are drawing up. I don't know and you don't know either. Maybe it could be done, maybe it couldn't. I'm not saying there won't be collateral damage or civilian lives lost. Unfortunately, that happens in every war and even in drone strikes. I do know that somewhat recently we had intelligence pictures of Little Kim around a missile launch pad around the time of it's launch. It would have been worth a shot to take him out at that time. China may come to the defense of NK (as they did before) but they aren't going to go to war with the US and they aren't going to wage nuclear war with us. Little Kim has everyone in his country cowered. Other than maybe a handful of very top aides, I believe if we took Little Kim out in a quick precision raid most everyone in NK would be running around saying in Korean, "The wicked witch is dead". And, any top aides would have to think twice if they wanted to go down the same road as Little Kim.

Great. So you have no real idea how to achieve the impossible you advocate with killing the NK leader and taking out his army and weapons while not hurting the Korean people or anybody else in that area of the world.
 
The political system (meaning, you're not removing Bill Clinton, Bush Jr, Obama, Hillary, or Trump and the whole thing changes) of the United States is one non-stop monster of war that is so addicted to war and conflict overseas it can never stop. Not on its own power. No addict does. Which evidences they are addicted, they stop when they are deprived of their addictive substance, no more money to buy it, the "bartender" cuts them off, they OD, they go to jail... something other than themselves stops them. Unless they have a radical personality conversion (which is what the 12 Steps are supposed to *help* facilitate).

Trump was elected by many to "drain the swamp" or that is to say to arrest the monsterous war addiction of Americana politicalcana. The "system" as the Southern Italian Camorra (one form of Italian mafia) refer to themselves (calling the Camorra "a system").

North Korea, Russia, Syria, Venezuela... hell if ever deprived of the substance of their addictions elsewhere watch your rear-ends Canada because US troops and war planes will be headed your way.

The United States as ever is assuming a Black Swan does not exist. That hunger for the needle of war in their arm has them tapping their veins and not thinking clearly about the welfare of their family (all the little children in the US running and playing from East Coast to West Coast, the working people etc.). A series of miscalculations might prove deadly for the American war addict and they OD from a bad batch, assuming it was perfectly good and not a Black Swan.

This is less a question of what the little fat man tyrant wants in North Korea. Left to itself the North Korean political system will likely eventually fall--without mass war and the American war industry making $$$$$$$.



So, what America wants, the neocons behind Trump in part running the country, is that they want to make up an addicts lie for their fix, they want inject their drugs in their arms near North Korea with nuclear weapons being based and positioned at China. Because addicts lie to get their fix. And the American system is objectively a war monster unlike any other on planet earth. It's repeatedly the US threatening and making war on other nations.

Trump has become a puppet of the system. He did not "drain the swamp."


Very interesting post. Thank you.

"The needle of war." What a powerful analogy. If you don't write? You should.
 
Yet he has had them for nearly a decade and China and Russia continue to be their allies. Hmmm. Give it a rest, we all are just as safe as ever. Trump has made a fool out of you. That is what you should be upset about.

Typical naive anti-war liberal.
 
So you have no answer when I asked you how much a life was worth. Got it.

And I never said we should pay NK trillions.

I asked you how much lives were worth and you dodged the question.
 
Great. So you have no real idea how to achieve the impossible you advocate with killing the NK leader and taking out his army and weapons while not hurting the Korean people or anybody else in that area of the world.

Yep. We had the chance a few weeks ago and we didn't take it. We will have another chance.
 
No one likes nuclear proliferation but like Pakistan and India when we have no way to stop it without killing millions we must stand down. N. Korea has always lied about their nuclear ambitions and at least now we know they will never give them up in any treaty. We tried our best and failed because THEY lied. You blame Clinton for trying? It will be up to China to stop them from acquiring a "massive nuclear arsenal" and I don't doubt that they will not want that either. You need to chill out. You can bet Trump will. This is all nothing but wagging the dog.

It is you that needs to chill out. I don't blame Clinton for trying...however I do blame him for signing us onto an agreement that neither he or the UN had any intention of enforcing. He basically just kicked the can down the road. He knew the North Koreans would violate the agreement before the ink was dry, however he accepted that it would be a future president's problem. Clinton was concerned about little more then his precious approval ratings. That's also why he dropped the ball in regards to Al Queda.
 
You forgot to mention that N. Korea also only has a-bombs and not the much more powerful H-bombs like Russia and China have targeted at us right now. Why should we be so worried about them? They could not hope to defeat us and an attack would be even more suicidal than if the Russian tried. It is ridiculous to even think about war to disarm them when it would destroy S. Korea and kill millions. Their ICBM's can never be used if they value survival and all indications are that they are obsessed about that.

Again.....are you for real? I am under no illusion that North Korea could defeat us in either a conventional or nuclear war. They can't. However with a quite insane fat boy as North Korea's leader, we cannot simply trust that he is not suicidal and will not fire off nukes. And yes, sport, I am quite aware that the North Korean nukes are popcorn farts compared to the US and Russian arsenal, however two crude a-bombs destroyed two cities in Japan in WW2. And North Korea does not have to defeat the US or anyone else in order to cause massive innocent casualties. And I would bet that if you had a son or daughter serving in the military in South Korea, you would not be so flippant and tolerant in regards to North Korean nukes.
 
We can throw our arms up and scream "the sky is falling" I guess.

Well at least those of you on the left would be experianced in that regard. That is how you are approaching the climate change issue.

Other than that and more negotiations there is nothing that can be done and there never has. Kim is keeping his nukes and missiles because that makes him feel safe. Sometimes things are not the way we would like and there is nothing we can do about it. It's called life.
So you are okay with one insane dictator making that decision to keep his nukes. It is not and should not be up to the insane fat boy leading North Korea. Nukes are not playground toys. Under control of a lunatic, they are a threat to a large part of the world, including the United States. And again, the nukes are not keeping his dumb ass safe. They are making an invasion much more likely. And if there is an invasion, it will not end well for him.


It would be nice if Trump would just ignore the little **** instead of making seem Kim like a world power by exchanging worthless threats with him like he was our equal.

That kind of goofy outlook is what led the world into the second world war. Nobody took Adolph Hitler seriously until it was too late. And you are also failing to grasp that it's not just about North Korea having a nuke arsenal. It's about proliferation. Do you really think he would keep the nuke technology to himself?
 
Tell me how nukes would not work on S Korea?
Still got a plan?
Aside from turning Korea into a nuclear wasteland?

You really should try a bit harder to keep up with the argument. Nobody is suggesting that those crude North Korean nukes are not dangerous. That's why we are insisting that the insane bastard leading North Korea give them up.
 
S. Korea is the 10th largest economy in the world and they did it without Trump. Imagine that! Trump's talk is just that making him no different than little Kim I'm afraid. But you eat it up so......

Your ultra-partisan hatred of Trump is leading you to make incredibly incoherent claims.
 
You really should try a bit harder to keep up with the argument. Nobody is suggesting that those crude North Korean nukes are not dangerous. That's why we are insisting that the insane bastard leading North Korea give them up.

NK will NOT give up there nukes. The reasons are simple- keeps the regime in power and prevents an attack.
 
LOL You calling me naive...that's a good on coming from someone who thinks Trump is going to attack N. Korea. You actually believe what he says?

Ummmmmmmmmmmm. The world is united in being against Little Kim, including both Russia and China. That makes you the one who is naive.
 
That's because you only want your answer and refuse to accept answers you don't like. Typical for a liberal.

I am happy to accept your answer as your answer. You can tell me an Asian life is worth a single dollar or a billion or anything in between. Just provide an answer.
 
NK will NOT give up there nukes. The reasons are simple- keeps the regime in power and prevents an attack.

No one wants to attack NK, except over the nuke thing. If Little Kim had never gotten nukes no one would have wanted to attack him at all. It is NK who attacked SK.
 
Ummmmmmmmmmmm. The world is united in being against Little Kim, including both Russia and China. That makes you the one who is naive.

While China does not like him they still support him because he provides a buffer between A US ally and China
 
Drove for two hours today. I was thinking about this guy, and can't for the life of me figure out what his end game is. What do you suppose he wants?

Is his regime in danger? Does he need to look powerful to his people? I doubt that, since if they didn't like him and expressed that, I'm sure they'd quietly disappear.

He knows he's a paper tiger, right? What do you suppose his motives are?

Right now, North Korea has 2 things that are stressing their population, as 2 quick Google searches would reveal.

North Korea suffering its worst drought since 2001, UN report says ...
www.cnn.com/2017/07/21/asia/north-korea-drought/index.html
Jul 21, 2017 - (CNN)North Korea is heading for its worst drought since 2001, the United Nations has warned, raising the possibility of increased food shortages in the rogue state. "More rains are urgently needed to avoid significant decreases in the main 2017 cereal production season," a report ...

North Korea drought: Children at risk in 'worst crisis since 2001' - BBC ...
www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-40669026
Jul 20, 2017 - North Korea is facing severe food shortages after being hit by its worst drought since 2001, a report from the United Nations says.

U.N. Agency Reports Worst Drought in 16 Years in North Korea - The ...
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/21/.../north-korea-drought-food-shortages-grain.html
Jul 21, 2017 - SEOUL, South Korea — North Korea is suffering its worst drought in 16 years, a United Nations agency reported on Friday, raising fears of ...

North Korea: Worst Drought Since 2001 Hits Food Supplies | Time.com
time.com/4867895/north-korea-dought-food-shortages/
Jul 20, 2017 - The worst North Korean drought since 2001 has severely damaged staple crop production and could lead to serious food shortages.

North Korea said to be 'on brink of famine', UN claims | Metro News
metro.co.uk › World › North Korea
Jul 25, 2017 - North Korea is said to be on the brink of a catastrophic famine after suffering the worst drought in 16 years. Poor rainfall and ruined crops mean the isolated country could soon require emergency food aid from overseas, according to the UN. ... ‘More rains are urgently needed to ...

North Korea Faces Famine as Kim Jong Un Builds Nuclear Missiles to ...
www.newsweek.com/north-korea-starving-nuclear-missiles-641188
Jul 24, 2017 - North Korea is facing an unprecedented drought that could lead to even greater food shortages.

North Korea hunger: Two in five undernourished, says UN - BBC News
www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-39349726
Mar 22, 2017 - More than 70% of the country's population relies on food aid, the United Nations says. ... of about 25 million, has faced significant food shortages for years. ... However, two-thirds of North Koreans still depend on food being ...

U.N. Agency Reports Worst Drought in 16 Years in North Korea - The ...
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/21/.../north-korea-drought-food-shortages-grain.html
Jul 21, 2017 - The severe dry spell has raised fears of worsening food shortages in the North, where malnutrition has been a problem for years.

So I'd say that he's looking to extort hard currency and / or food from the west that has historically worked using the same actions that have worked before.

Makes me wonder if he'd have just asked, and / or taken a different approach, wouldn't the NGOs have come in and done the same?
 
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