What does Kim Jong-in want?

[MaggieD]

When it comes to N. Korea we should not be making bellicose threats that we will not keep. This was the 4th day in a row that Trump threatened N. Korea with war. And no Obama "did not pave the way" for such foolish blather, this is ALL on Trump. N. Korea has been threatening us just like now for many years and no President has escalated the talk like Trump has. And I'm afraid we do have no power over Kim, unless he attacks us our hands are tied.

What about Syria and Obama's red line? That doesn't count?

 

[haymarket]

Sheboygan, Wisconsin...right on Lake Michigan.

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Terrific. Right across from my state of Michigan!!!!! Did you have a great time?

 

[iguanaman]

Will you stop already with this hyperbolic claim that we will need to kill millions to rid them of nukes. If we wanted to rid them we could carpet bomb thier military installations until they were disarmed of thier defenses and then go in and take thier nukes. People would die, yes but the numbers would be in the hundreds or maybe thousands, nowhere close to millions.

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Thanks for the armchair General act but I choose to believe the real Generals who have said for decades that we cannot touch N. Korea without risking the imminent destruction of Seoul, a city area of over 20 million people. And that determination was made before they had the a-bomb. Now it is even more uncertain.
Like I said, get used to Kim and his missiles and a-bombs. They are going no where and who the hell cares? If you want to worry about ICBM's, Russia has 1000's of them tipped with HYDROGEN Bombs 1000 times more powerful than Kim's puny a-bomb and they are targeted at us.

 

[iguanaman]

What about Syria and Obama's red line? That doesn't count?

I don't remember Obama making belligerent tweets he can't back up for 4 days straight. Do you?

 

[MaggieD]

Terrific. Right across from my state of Michigan!!!!! Did you have a great time?

Awesome.

 

[trouble13]

Thanks for the armchair General act but I choose to believe the real Generals who have said for decades that we cannot touch N. Korea without risking the imminent destruction of Seoul, a city area of over 20 million people. And that determination was made before they had the a-bomb. Now it is even more uncertain.
Like I said, get used to Kim and his missiles and a-bombs. They are going no where and who the hell cares? If you want to worry about ICBM's, Russia has 1000's of them tipped with HYDROGEN Bombs 1000 times more powerful than Kim's puny a-bomb and they are targeted at us.

Your cowardly position is noted and i wont expect to hear any complaints from you if america decides to ramp up its nuclear program and build new and more destructive bombs.

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[kitsune]

When it comes to N. Korea we should not be making bellicose threats that we will not keep. This was the 4th day in a row that Trump threatened N. Korea with war. And no Obama "did not pave the way" for such foolish blather, this is ALL on Trump. N. Korea has been threatening us just like now for many years and no President has escalated the talk like Trump has. And I'm afraid we do have no power over Kim, unless he attacks us our hands are tied.

Bellicose threats that we (Trump) will not keep. Exactly, thank you.

It's just more of the raging, bluster, and toilet seat tweets that comprise Trump's approach to dealing with just about everything. Kim Jong-un knows it, just like every leader in the world knows it, probably including Trump himself in those dark, lonely moments that even he must have.

 

[kitsune]

What about Syria and Obama's red line? That doesn't count?

Of course it counts. Aren't we supposed to learn from mistakes like that rather than repeat them elsewhere

 

[Moderate Right]

I never advocated that as your course of policy. I simply asked a question: what costs more - going to war or a payoff?

The answer to that must be a factor in our decision. What I would prefer is a firm resolution with China that North Korea must be placed under the strictest of sanctions and policies to drive it out of business. That is what I would prefer.

If we cannot get China to do that, then we have no choice but to live in a world with North Korea while China subsidizes them.

Going to war would be cheaper than paying this guy blackmail forever and forever.

 

[Moderate Right]

Yes - he does just what you describe. And now he has nukes. So what would you do with this person and his nation and his people?

We take out both him and his military. We leave the people alone as much as it is possible.

 

[Moderate Right]

Make up your mind. You said letting him have his nukes would make him able to extort us. We got fooled before because we thought he would give them up. Now that we know that to be a lie he has no way of fooling us again. So there will be no more "extortion". He can have his useless nukes and if he wants aid he can go fish.

He has already fooled us more than once and we are ripe to be fooled again. That is his MO, relying on the world's stupidity to be fooled yet again and again.

 

[Moderate Right]

Again, the "stick and stones" rule applies. Words never justify war, actions do.

You guys are naive. The world was naive when it came to Hitler. The world was naive when it came to Saddam Hussein invading Kuwait. Surely he wouldn't do a thing like that.

 

[haymarket]

Going to war would be cheaper than paying this guy blackmail forever and forever.

So how much does a life go for these days?

 

[haymarket]

We take out both him and his military. We leave the people alone as much as it is possible.

That sounds like a terrific but practically impossible idea. Just how would you execute this miracle of impossible logistics?

 

[Moderate Right]

So how much does a life go for these days?

So as long as one person dies it is better to pay Little Kim trillions of dollars? How much were the lives worth that Hitler killed? How much were the lives worth that Syria's president has killed? How much were the lives worth that Saddam Hussein killed? How much were the lives worth Al Qaeda killed? How much were the lives worth that ISIS killed? How much were the lives that the North Killed in the US civil war? Why kill all of those lives just to stop slavery? Why don't you tell me. How much is a life worth?

 

[Moderate Right]

That sounds like a terrific but practically impossible idea. Just how would you execute this miracle of impossible logistics?

Again, I'm not the Pentagon. None of us know what plans they are drawing up. I don't know and you don't know either. Maybe it could be done, maybe it couldn't. I'm not saying there won't be collateral damage or civilian lives lost. Unfortunately, that happens in every war and even in drone strikes. I do know that somewhat recently we had intelligence pictures of Little Kim around a missile launch pad around the time of it's launch. It would have been worth a shot to take him out at that time. China may come to the defense of NK (as they did before) but they aren't going to go to war with the US and they aren't going to wage nuclear war with us. Little Kim has everyone in his country cowered. Other than maybe a handful of very top aides, I believe if we took Little Kim out in a quick precision raid most everyone in NK would be running around saying in Korean, "The wicked witch is dead". And, any top aides would have to think twice if they wanted to go down the same road as Little Kim.

 

[iguanaman]

So as long as one person dies it is better to pay Little Kim trillions of dollars? How much were the lives worth that Hitler killed? How much were the lives worth that Syria's president has killed? How much were the lives worth that Saddam Hussein killed? How much were the lives worth Al Qaeda killed? How much were the lives worth that ISIS killed? How much were the lives that the North Killed in the US civil war? Why kill all of those lives just to stop slavery? Why don't you tell me. How much is a life worth?

You keep saying Hitler. How many countries has N. Korea invaded? None. Unless Korea attacks someone militarily he is keeping his nukes. Get that thru your head and stop setting yourself up for a disappointment. Who are you going to blame when Trump does nothing and Kim is left untouched? It is not worth the costs in lives to remove N.K's nukes and now that he has them we will not be fooled into paying him to stop making them. End of story. Go back to your life.

 

[Moderate Right]

You keep saying Hitler. How many countries has N. Korea invaded? None. Unless Korea attacks someone militarily he is keeping his nukes. Get that thru your head and stop setting yourself up for a disappointment. Who are you going to blame when Trump does nothing and Kim is left untouched? It is not worth the costs in lives to remove N.K's nukes and now that he has them we will not be fooled into paying him to stop making them. End of story. Go back to your life.

North Korea invaded South Korea. How many countries did Hillary invade before invading his first one?

 

[iguanaman]

North Korea invaded South Korea. How many countries did Hillary invade before invading his first one?

That was in 1950. And the US responded with troops and drove them back. If that happens again we will also respond. Otherwise the armistice will stand. That is the reality. If you want to dream do it elsewhere. Nothing has changed.

 

[iguanaman]

Again, I'm not the Pentagon. None of us know what plans they are drawing up. I don't know and you don't know either. Maybe it could be done, maybe it couldn't. I'm not saying there won't be collateral damage or civilian lives lost. Unfortunately, that happens in every war and even in drone strikes. I do know that somewhat recently we had intelligence pictures of Little Kim around a missile launch pad around the time of it's launch. It would have been worth a shot to take him out at that time. China may come to the defense of NK (as they did before) but they aren't going to go to war with the US and they aren't going to wage nuclear war with us. Little Kim has everyone in his country cowered. Other than maybe a handful of very top aides, I believe if we took Little Kim out in a quick precision raid most everyone in NK would be running around saying in Korean, "The wicked witch is dead". And, any top aides would have to think twice if they wanted to go down the same road as Little Kim.

How many times do you have to hear it before it sinks in? There will be no attack on N. korea unless they attack first and they won't. They are happy with their situation as it is and we have no choice but to stand down. Trump is no different than all the other Presidents since Eisenhower on this except for his pathetic empty rhetoric. You seem to eat that up don't you? Why is that? You like it when a President talks tough and then does nothing, like Kim does? What does that make us look like?

 

[Moderate Right]

How many times do you have to hear it before it sinks in? There will be no attack on N. korea unless they attack first and they won't. They are happy with their situation as it is and we have no choice but to stand down. Trump is no different than all the other Presidents since Eisenhower on this except for his pathetic empty rhetoric. You seem to eat that up don't you? Why is that? You like it when a President talks tough and then does nothing, like Kim does? What does that make us look like?

How many times does it have to sink into you that every country, including both Russia and China, are NOT willing to let Little Kim have nukes?

 

[iguanaman]

How many times does it have to sink into you that every country, including both Russia and China, are NOT willing to let Little Kim have nukes?

Yet he has had them for nearly a decade and China and Russia continue to be their allies. Hmmm. Give it a rest, we all are just as safe as ever. Trump has made a fool out of you. That is what you should be upset about.

 

[FastPace]

Drove for two hours today. I was thinking about this guy, and can't for the life of me figure out what his end game is. What do you suppose he wants?

Is his regime in danger? Does he need to look powerful to his people? I doubt that, since if they didn't like him and expressed that, I'm sure they'd quietly disappear.

He knows he's a paper tiger, right? What do you suppose his motives are?

The political system (meaning, you're not removing Bill Clinton, Bush Jr, Obama, Hillary, or Trump and the whole thing changes) of the United States is one non-stop monster of war that is so addicted to war and conflict overseas it can never stop. Not on its own power. No addict does. Which evidences they are addicted, they stop when they are deprived of their addictive substance, no more money to buy it, the "bartender" cuts them off, they OD, they go to jail... something other than themselves stops them. Unless they have a radical personality conversion (which is what the 12 Steps are supposed to *help* facilitate).

Trump was elected by many to "drain the swamp" or that is to say to arrest the monsterous war addiction of Americana politicalcana. The "system" as the Southern Italian Camorra (one form of Italian mafia) refer to themselves (calling the Camorra "a system").

North Korea, Russia, Syria, Venezuela... hell if ever deprived of the substance of their addictions elsewhere watch your rear-ends Canada because US troops and war planes will be headed your way.

The United States as ever is assuming a Black Swan does not exist. That hunger for the needle of war in their arm has them tapping their veins and not thinking clearly about the welfare of their family (all the little children in the US running and playing from East Coast to West Coast, the working people etc.). A series of miscalculations might prove deadly for the American war addict and they OD from a bad batch, assuming it was perfectly good and not a Black Swan.

This is less a question of what the little fat man tyrant wants in North Korea. Left to itself the North Korean political system will likely eventually fall--without mass war and the American war industry making $$$$$$$.



So, what America wants, the neocons behind Trump in part running the country, is that they want to make up an addicts lie for their fix, they want inject their drugs in their arms near North Korea with nuclear weapons being based and positioned at China. Because addicts lie to get their fix. And the American system is objectively a war monster unlike any other on planet earth. It's repeatedly the US threatening and making war on other nations.

Trump has become a puppet of the system. He did not "drain the swamp."

 

[FastPace]

How many times does it have to sink into you that every country, including both Russia and China, are NOT willing to let Little Kim have nukes?

I'm all pro-Russia. I think Putin is the greatest world leader currently on the world stage.

And while China has its problems, let's be honest, we all love it because it's "all made in China."





That said... the reasons countries that are nuclear powers don't want North Korea or other countries (like Brazil--who the hell has Brazil been attacking, other than tourist eyes with scantly clad women on beaches and swaying hips to samba?) to have nuclear weapons is not because other countries are led by "crazy people," its due non-emotional poker strategy so-to-speak. They want to retain a disproportionate strategic advantage. That's it. Only one nation on earth has dropped a nuke on a civilian population--and not one but two nukes. It's the same one that declares itself the Borgia Popes of the world.

 

[haymarket]

So as long as one person dies it is better to pay Little Kim trillions of dollars? How much were the lives worth that Hitler killed? How much were the lives worth that Syria's president has killed? How much were the lives worth that Saddam Hussein killed? How much were the lives worth Al Qaeda killed? How much were the lives worth that ISIS killed? How much were the lives that the North Killed in the US civil war? Why kill all of those lives just to stop slavery? Why don't you tell me. How much is a life worth?

So you have no answer when I asked you how much a life was worth. Got it.

And I never said we should pay NK trillions.