What does Kim Jong-in want?

[iguanaman]

You are getting ahead of reality. North Korea's nuke program is still crude. They can barely launch one ICBM. They are not yet advanced to the stage where they can launch ICBMs that contain multiple warheads. And they cannot yet maintain modern silos that allow them to launch multiple ICBMs on a moments notice as the US can. It takes them time to prep and fuel them. They cannot do that without our being observed. We watched them prep the test missiles.

You forgot to mention that N. Korea also only has a-bombs and not the much more powerful H-bombs like Russia and China have targeted at us right now. Why should we be so worried about them? They could not hope to defeat us and an attack would be even more suicidal than if the Russian tried. It is ridiculous to even think about war to disarm them when it would destroy S. Korea and kill millions. Their ICBM's can never be used if they value survival and all indications are that they are obsessed about that.

 

[jimbo]

But what if north koreas nukes are not for offensive purposes but are actually a deterrent?

Then he wouldn't be threatening Guam with them, would he?

We've tried nicey nice with NK for 70 years. The first peace talks took weeks to decide on seating arrangements and gave us the 38th parallel division. There is no reason to believe anything different different will happen now.

 

[jimbo]

Getting rid of N. Korea's nukes will kill millions and destroy the 10th largest economy in the world. That would make us the bully and a mass murdering one at that. Oh and by what "authority" would we justify such carnage? Remember the playground rule "Stick and stones.............

So what's your answer? Obviously something must be done. "Peaceful" negotiations won't work. I guess we could unload bundles of unmarked cash on Kimmie. Surely he wouldn't use it to build more nuke missiles instead of using it for food for his people.

Your playground rule is not valid. The playground bully will always be the playground bully until somebody kicks him in the nuts. Right now Kimmie is the playground bully.

 

[iguanaman]

So what's your answer? Obviously something must be done. "Peaceful" negotiations won't work. I guess we could unload bundles of unmarked cash on Kimmie. Surely he wouldn't use it to build more nuke missiles instead of using it for food for his people.

Your playground rule is not valid. The playground bully will always be the playground bully until somebody kicks him in the nuts. Right now Kimmie is the playground bully.

We can throw our arms up and scream "the sky is falling" I guess. Other than that and more negotiations there is nothing that can be done and there never has. Kim is keeping his nukes and missiles because that makes him feel safe. Sometimes things are not the way we would like and there is nothing we can do about it. It's called life. It would be nice if Trump would just ignore the little **** instead of making seem Kim like a world power by exchanging worthless threats with him like he was our equal.

 

[jimbo]

We can throw our arms up and scream "the sky is falling" I guess. Other than that and more negotiations there is nothing that can be done and there never has. Kim is keeping his nukes and missiles because that makes him feel safe. Sometimes things are not the way we would like and there is nothing we can do about it. It's called life. It would be nice if Trump would just ignore the little **** instead of making seem Kim like a world power by exchanging worthless threats with him like he was our equal.

So you have no answer either. No one does. But that does not mean we should just cut and run.

 

[JANFU]

You are getting ahead of reality. North Korea's nuke program is still crude. They can barely launch one ICBM. They are not yet advanced to the stage where they can launch ICBMs that contain multiple warheads. And they cannot yet maintain modern silos that allow them to launch multiple ICBMs on a moments notice as the US can. It takes them time to prep and fuel them. They cannot do that without our being observed. We watched them prep the test missiles.

Tell me how nukes would not work on S Korea?
Still got a plan?
Aside from turning Korea into a nuclear wasteland?

 

[iguanaman]

So you have no answer either. No one does. But that does not mean we should just cut and run.

Run from where? We will stay in S. Korea if that is what you mean. The status quo is still the most appealing alternative.

 

[cabse5]

He wants to be respected and treated like any other leader in the world and be allowed to trade with all other nations when where and how he wants, rather than being ostracized and kept out of the world of nations and kept under the boot of international sanctions, while being allowed by the rest of the world to continue to maintain his power and stranglehold over the people of his country as a dictator and despot tyrant - be invited to sit with the cool kids at lunch. Since that's not going to happen given his and his family having the blood of his people on their hands, his only viable option is to threaten everyone if they don't give him what he wants - if he can't eat lunch with them, he'll just threaten to beat up the kids (nukes) while he steals the other kids lunch money (gets the sanctions lifted for humanitarian aid - food, medicine, etc.).

I'm sure Hitler wanted respect, too.

 

[RAMOSS]

Lol my god

Do u respect him

Are hus people alowed to be free?

He kills people on a whim...and u think he should be respected

Considering what he wrote, could you point out where he made any kind of statement that would lead you to make that conclusion? The use of a single word doesn't mean anything if it is out of context. He described what Fat boy wanted, and then pointed out why he never would get that.

 

[MaggieD]

All those nukes, he is not a paper tiger. If attacked he will use them. In a conventional war he is outclassed.
NK started their nuke program about 3 years after seeing the US take out Grenada. They realized the only way to stop an invasion was having nukes.

And over the last twenty or so years, we have turned blind eyes. And since 1998, we have given them over $1 billion in aid.

Food, tractor parts, some sanction, or another to be lifted, someone to agree that he has a big dick.

But he has tiny feet.

I have always suspected he wants to blackmail the rest of the world powers into subsidizing his nation with large gifts of foreign aid elevating his nation beyond any status that he can achieve through normal means. His schtick is basically "give me money or I will crap in your punch bowl". And he sees the nukes as the way to get that.

I agree.

He wants a massive pay off to drop his nuclear program. Go full hilt until the world offers him trillions of dollars in an extortion payoff to end his programs. He uses a few trillion to make his people adore him and he keeps 90% of those trillions for himself. He's like a Lex Luther or some other comic book villain but these are not the comics. This is for real.

I think so, too.

He's ron-ree.

Huh?

He can't extort a dime. What a ridiculous premise. He could get something for giving them up but I don't think he is interested.

We gave them over one billion dollars from 1998 to 2009.

.......

I'm sorry I haven't been on this thread. I've been out of town.

But what if north koreas nukes are not for offensive purposes but are actually a deterrent?

 

[Hawkeye10]

What is interesting is that he could have done almost anything domestically, if he had not threatened with WMD. Had he only done the Assad like terror against his population and made nasty sounds other than about delivering nukes against the US it was fine. The Chinese backed him. And there lurks a suspicion. The Chinese have all the reasons to provoke the US, test their mettle and make it look badly red lines and all.

JoG, there needs to be an overwhelming outside enemy to keep a society that tightly wound.

Saddam did the thing, but he was an amateur, had to resort to cruelty.

And others have made the enemy they need.

:2wave:

 

[iguanaman]

And over the last twenty or so years, we have turned blind eyes. And since 1998, we have given them over $1 billion in aid.



But he has tiny feet.



I agree.



I think so, too.



Huh?



We gave them over one billion dollars from 1998 to 2009.

.......

I'm sorry I haven't been on this thread. I've been out of town.

You do know we gave the N. Koreans fuel and food not cash and it was to stop their plutonium production which they did while all the while enriching uranium for their 1st a-bomb. They lied and tricked us into believing they would give up nuclear weapons. So it goes. That will not happen again so they have no leverage to get anything else out of us. Maybe you think that Trump will make another deal with them that they will break? I doubt that even he is that dumb. He certainly can't attack them and risk the lives of a million S. Koreans. This whole thing is a sham and it is time to go back to living our lives. Nothing to see here.

 

[yankintx]

The man wants a unified Korea with himself as dictator, not happening. Trumps tough talk is necassary, and long overdue.

 

[MaggieD]

You do know we gave the N. Koreans fuel and food not cash and it was to stop their plutonium production which they did while all the while enriching uranium for their 1st a-bomb. They lied and tricked us into believing they would give up nuclear weapons. So it goes. That will not happen again so they have no leverage to get anything else out of us. Maybe you think that Trump will make another deal with them that they will break? I doubt that even he is that dumb. He certainly can't attack them and risk the lives of a million S. Koreans. This whole thing is a sham and it is time to go back to living our lives. Nothing to see here.

Money is fungible. So is food. Give the food to Ethiopia. $400 million was in cash for supposed fuel assistance. And All of it, the food and the cash was a payoff as you yourself say...to stop their plutonium production.

Please try to resist slamming Trump at every opportunity. It is not becoming.

 

[Mr Person]

Drove for two hours today. I was thinking about this guy, and can't for the life of me figure out what his end game is. What do you suppose he wants?

Is his regime in danger? Does he need to look powerful to his people? I doubt that, since if they didn't like him and expressed that, I'm sure they'd quietly disappear.

He knows he's a paper tiger, right? What do you suppose his motives are?

He wants:

1. Absolute power over North Koreans;

2. Enough craziness and enough balance to stop us from stomping him.



Remember: we lost 55-60k troops in the Korean war. They basically lost their military. I don't know/care about their count. China lost hundred of thousands of troops. We decimated them. We just didn't want to take on China and escalate the fight to tens/hundreds of millions of human beings. We needed it not to go nuclear, because that would ravage this planet - species suicide. They want to look strong to their citizens without fighting. China wants a buffer with the west, but not if that buffer is insane enough to attack us.

Perpetual stalemate.

 

[iguanaman]

The man wants a unified Korea with himself as dictator, not happening. Trumps tough talk is necassary, and long overdue.

S. Korea is the 10th largest economy in the world and they did it without Trump. Imagine that! Trump's talk is just that making him no different than little Kim I'm afraid. But you eat it up so......

 

[trouble13]

Getting rid of N. Korea's nukes will kill millions and destroy the 10th largest economy in the world. That would make us the bully and a mass murdering one at that. Oh and by what "authority" would we justify such carnage? Remember the playground rule "Stick and stones.............

Will you stop already with this hyperbolic claim that we will need to kill millions to rid them of nukes. If we wanted to rid them we could carpet bomb thier military installations until they were disarmed of thier defenses and then go in and take thier nukes. People would die, yes but the numbers would be in the hundreds or maybe thousands, nowhere close to millions.

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[iguanaman]

Money is fungible. So is food. Give the food to Ethiopia. $400 million was in cash for supposed fuel assistance. And All of it, the food and the cash was a payoff as you yourself say...to stop their plutonium production.

Please try to resist slamming Trump at every opportunity. It is not becoming.

Speaking of becoming. How do you like Trump's "red lines" being crossed every day by Kim and making us look weak and impotent even to a tiny hole in the wall like N. Korea? I find it pointlessly degrading. Trump is telling the world we really are a paper tiger.

 

[MaggieD]

Speaking of becoming. How do you like Trump's "red lines" being crossed every day by Kim and making us look weak and impotent even to a tiny hole in the wall like N. Korea? I find it pointlessly degrading. Trump is telling the world we really are a paper tiger.

If that's true, his predecessor paved the way, didn't he? If there's one thing the U.S? Is NOT, it's a paper tiger.

pa′per ti′ger
n.
a person, nation, etc., that has the appearance of power but is actually weak and ineffectual.

 

[digsbe]

Drove for two hours today. I was thinking about this guy, and can't for the life of me figure out what his end game is. What do you suppose he wants?

Is his regime in danger? Does he need to look powerful to his people? I doubt that, since if they didn't like him and expressed that, I'm sure they'd quietly disappear.

He knows he's a paper tiger, right? What do you suppose his motives are?

I think he legitimately might be psychopathic or doing it all for his ego. If I'm not mistaken the country treats and views the Kim leaders as gods of sorts and they definitely have a cult of personality. I think he's trying to carry on the nuclear program of his father and "not back down" to the West. Then again they are technically still at war with South Korea.

 

[Cephus]

Huh?

 

[MaggieD]

.:lamo

 

[haymarket]

I'm sorry I haven't been on this thread. I've been out of town.

There is nothing quite as good as being "out of town". I love it!!!!!

 

[MaggieD]

There is nothing quite as good as being "out of town". I love it!!!!!

Sheboygan, Wisconsin...right on Lake Michigan.

 

[iguanaman]

If that's true, his predecessor paved the way, didn't he? If there's one thing the U.S? Is NOT, it's a paper tiger.

pa′per ti′ger
n.
a person, nation, etc., that has the appearance of power but is actually weak and ineffectual.

When it comes to N. Korea we should not be making bellicose threats that we will not keep. This was the 4th day in a row that Trump threatened N. Korea with war. And no Obama "did not pave the way" for such foolish blather, this is ALL on Trump. N. Korea has been threatening us just like now for many years and no President has escalated the talk like Trump has. And I'm afraid we do have no power over Kim, unless he attacks us our hands are tied.