What do we replace religion with?[W:675]

[zyzygy]

Re: What do we replace religion with?

Evidence

Word Origin & History
c.1300, "appearance from which inferences may be drawn," from Old French evidence, from Late Latin evidentia "proof," originally "distinction, clearness," from Latin evidentem (see evident).

https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/evidence

 

[Omega Man]

Re: What do we replace religion with?

We still await the evidence that proves the existence of a god.

Which shall it be? Do you want evidence, or do you want proof? Evidence is easily obtainable. Proof, not so much.


OM

 

[zyzygy]

Re: What do we replace religion with?

Which shall it be? Do you want evidence, or do you want proof? Evidence is easily obtainable. Proof, not so much.


OM

They are synonyms. If there was evidence of the existence of a god or gods then it would automatically be proof. The universe, holy books and subjective experiences are not evidence or proof.

 

[uptower]

Re: What do we replace religion with?

This question has been answered time and again over the millennia, from the God-kings of ancient Mesopotamia to Stalin, Mao and Hitler. People will simply turn to another ideology, usually exemplified by an extant human leader rather than a long dead prophet or detached deity.

Witness the birth of the personality cult right under our noses in the world's most powerful country.

 

[Angel]

Re: What do we replace religion with?

Evidence

Word Origin & History
c.1300, "appearance from which inferences may be drawn," from Old French evidence, from Late Latin evidentia "proof," originally "distinction, clearness," from Latin evidentem (see evident).

https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/evidence

They are synonyms. If there was evidence of the existence of a god or gods then it would automatically be proof. The universe, holy books and subjective experiences are not evidence or proof.

Do you understand that the Late Latin provenance of using "proof" and "evidence" synonymously is evidence of mis-usage? Is this nonsense you persist in in your posts an outgrowth of ESL perhaps? You are dead wrong about this, and yet you refuse to take correction from your betters. Although in common parlance the word "proof" is used to mean the same as "evidence," any more sophisticated user of the English language will distinguish "proof" from "evidence" in strict usage.

evidence (n.)

c. 1300, "appearance from which inferences may be drawn," from Old French evidence, from Late Latin evidentia "proof," in classical Latin "distinction, vivid presentation, clearness" in rhetoric, from stem of Latin evidens "obvious, apparent" (see evident).

Meaning "ground for belief" is from late 14c.; that of "obviousness" is from 1660s and tacks closely to the sense of evident. Legal senses are from c. 1500, when it began to oust witness. Also "one who furnishes testimony, witness" (1590s); hence turn (State's) evidence.

https://www.etymonline.com/word/evidence

evidence (usually uncountable, plural evidences)

1. Facts or observations presented in support of an assertion.

There is no evidence that anyone was here earlier.
We have enough cold hard evidence in that presentation which will make a world of pain for our parasitic friends at Antarctica.

2. (law) Anything admitted by a court to prove or disprove alleged matters of fact in a trial. quotations

3. One who bears witness.
4. A body of objectively verifiable facts that are positively indicative of, and/or exclusively concordant with, that one conclusion over any other.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/evidence

 

[zyzygy]

Re: What do we replace religion with?

This question has been answered time and again over the millennia, from the God-kings of ancient Mesopotamia to Stalin, Mao and Hitler. People will simply turn to another ideology, usually exemplified by an extant human leader rather than a long dead prophet or detached deity.

Witness the birth of the personality cult right under our noses in the world's most powerful country.

Would you call Christianity a Jesus personality cult?

 

[uptower]

Re: What do we replace religion with?

No because it is not strictly centred around Christ, despite the name: it draws a lot on the old testament and the Hebrew God and that god is more or less shared in variations by the Jews and the Muslims. The idea that Christ is immortal, the 'son' of said god and will save one's soul in the afterlife also places him squarely in the deity category, rather than that of the mortal leaders I described.

Now if Christ as a human being existed he may well have started out as such.

 

[Logician Man]

Re: What do we replace religion with?

I use mine to find out what words don't mean.

LOL...Touche!

 

[Logician Man]

Re: What do we replace religion with?

I use my dictionary for the purposes of checking what the standardized spelling and pronunciation of particular words are...

each to his/her own...'casaroo casaroo' as Archie Bunker used to say?

 

[zyzygy]

Re: What do we replace religion with?

each to his/her own...'casaroo casaroo' as Archie Bunker used to say?

Check the spelling and then make up your own definition. The Humpty Dumpty approach.
Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. ... "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."

 

[Angel]

Re: What do we replace religion with?

Check the spelling and then make up your own definition. The Humpty Dumpty approach.
Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. ... "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."

A logophile such as you purport to be surely must appreciate the fact that the words ignore and ignorance are cognate, no?

 

[RAMOSS]

Re: What do we replace religion with?

Professing to know for certain, without being able to prove or disprove.


OM

1) how is that a siystem. 2 ) where does atheism profess to know for certain?

 

[Divine_Wind]

Re: What do we replace religion with?

I knew you were a closet believer!

All atheists are believers, they just don’t want to admit that “disbelieving” is the same as believing. They have no evidence for their beliefs (“disbelief”) but they firmly believe they are correct. Note all the angst, ridicule, harassment and other juvenile actions by them against anyone who disagrees with them.

 

[Logician Man]

Re: What do we replace religion with?

All atheists are believers, they just don’t want to admit that “disbelieving” is the same as believing. They have no evidence for their beliefs (“disbelief”) but they firmly believe they are correct. Note all the angst, ridicule, harassment and other juvenile actions by them against anyone who disagrees with them.

Once again your complete ignorance of atheism is on full display. :roll: Feel free how you rectify 'disbelieving' is the same as 'believing.'.....:screwy

 

[Divine_Wind]

Re: What do we replace religion with?

The vast majority of believers are hypocrites.

Once again your complete ignorance of atheism is on full display. :roll:

QED. Thanks for the evidence, guys.

 

[Logician Man]

Re: What do we replace religion with?

QED. Thanks for the evidence, guys.

Evidence of your ignorance as to what atheism is, and isn't? Tell us how 'believing' and 'disbelieving' are the same thing....good luck with that one.

 

[Divine_Wind]

Re: What do we replace religion with?

Evidence of your ignorance as to what atheism is, and isn't? Tell us how 'believing' and 'disbelieving' are the same thing....good luck with that one.

Your personal attacks are just additional evidence I am correct. You and your “atheist” friends are so insecure about your own beliefs that you constantly attack anyone who disagrees since you have no intellectual ability to discuss it like adults.

The fact remains you strongly believe you are correct but, like theists, you have zero evidence to back up those beliefs. You are free to scream “disbelief” all day long, but the fact remains you’re what you hate most: a believer. You believe people are nothing more than meat computers; biological robots worth no more than the rocks underneath our feet. That’s fine, it’s a free country and you can believe whatever you like.

 

[Logician Man]

Re: What do we replace religion with?

Your personal attacks are just additional evidence I am correct. You and your “atheist” friends are so insecure about your own beliefs that you constantly attack anyone who disagrees since you have no intellectual ability to discuss it like adults.

The fact remains you strongly believe you are correct but, like theists, you have zero evidence to back up those beliefs. You are free to scream “disbelief” all day long, but the fact remains you’re what you hate most: a believer. You believe people are nothing more than meat computers; biological robots worth no more than the rocks underneath our feet. That’s fine, it’s a free country and you can believe whatever you like.

You still don't seem to understand the difference between attacking one's views and one's ignorance of a topic as opposed to attacking one personally. Do you need it spelled out yet again,lest you endure future internet butthurt? You also need to re-visit post # 567 lest you further embarrass yourself about non-believers hating believers/theists. Then,of course. there is the issue of your rather futile attempt to read others minds which can only be described as comedy gold....but thx for the laughs....:lol:

 

[Divine_Wind]

Re: What do we replace religion with?

You still don't seem to understand the difference between attacking one's views and one's ignorance of a topic as opposed to attacking one personally. Do you need it spelled out yet again,lest you endure future internet butthurt? You also need to re-visit post # 567 lest you further embarrass yourself about non-believers hating believers/theists. Then,of course. there is the issue of your rather futile attempt to read others minds which can only be described as comedy gold....but thx for the laughs....:lol:

Obviously I disagree, but once again I’m content to let others judge for themselves who is more correct on this.

FWIW, you do more harm to the reputation of atheists than you do good.

 

[Logician Man]

Re: What do we replace religion with?

Obviously I disagree, but once again I’m content to let others judge for themselves who is more correct on this.

FWIW, you do more harm to the reputation of atheists than you do good.

Since you've repeatedly displayed you don't know squat about atheism or atheists, your asinine claim will be dismissed with the same veracity with which it was presented. :naughty

 

[blarg]

Re: What do we replace religion with?

Hmmmm, interesting. I never looked at Taoism as somehow involving itself with mysticism.


OM

how strange

 

[Angel]

Re: What do we replace religion with?

1) how is that a siystem. 2 ) where does atheism profess to know for certain?

Atheism, honest atheism that is, professes to know that God does not exist. This view, like the theist's view, is the cornerstone of a world view. If your atheism is less than honest, you may not see this, or you may see it and then pretend to ignore it. That is textbook bad faith.

All atheists are believers, they just don’t want to admit that “disbelieving” is the same as believing. They have no evidence for their beliefs (“disbelief”) but they firmly believe they are correct. Note all the angst, ridicule, harassment and other juvenile actions by them against anyone who disagrees with them.

Yes.

Once again your complete ignorance of atheism is on full display. :roll: Feel free how you rectify 'disbelieving' is the same as 'believing.'.....:screwy

Believing and disbelieving are both propositional attitudes toward one and the same proposition.

Evidence of your ignorance as to what atheism is, and isn't? Tell us how 'believing' and 'disbelieving' are the same thing....good luck with that one.

Believing and disbelieving are both propositional attitudes toward one and the same proposition.

There is only one definition of the word atheism and the clue is in the word.

Yes, and it's not this cowardly nonsense about lacking belief. You've been given holy links on this. And you are not an atheist, as much as you wanted to be taken as one; you are an agnostic. Know thyself.

 

[Logician Man]

Re: What do we replace religion with?

Atheism, honest atheism that is, professes to know that God does not exist. This view, like the theist's view, is the cornerstone of a world view. If your atheism is less than honest, you may not see this, or you may see it and then pretend to ignore it. That is textbook bad faith.


Yes.


Believing and disbelieving are both propositional attitudes toward one and the same proposition.


Believing and disbelieving are both propositional attitudes toward one and the same proposition.



Yes, and it's not this cowardly nonsense about lacking belief. You've been given holy links on this. And you are not an atheist, as much as you wanted to be taken as one; you are an agnostic. Know thyself.

//// cowardly nonsense //// about lacking belief....:lol: :screwy :lamo

 

[zyzygy]

Re: What do we replace religion with?

//// cowardly nonsense //// about lacking belief....:lol: :screwy :lamo

Don't these people ever read posts? I have repeatedly stated that I have never seen any evidence that proves the existence of a god. That is not a belief.

 

[Logician Man]

Re: What do we replace religion with?

Don't these people ever read posts? I have repeatedly stated that I have never seen any evidence that proves the existence of a god. That is not a belief.

Evidently you are a ' coward' for not 'believing' as they do. Seems a rather illiterate thing to make such an asinine claim.