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What do Richard Spencer and Bernie Sanders have in Common?

RabidAlpaca said:
I've heard Sanders called big government and a socialist but I've never heard him called an anarchist.
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Can one be both for big government and anarchy?
 
Quag said:
Nzis were anarchists?
Ok sorry I didnt realize you were that confused about the world.
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Read the history on that era if you don't think the Nazi Party weren't anarchists. I guess you'll be surprised.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
*sigh* No. Anarchists do not want government at all. Anarchy is horizontal rule -- no leaders, no government, ever. It is not a transitional state. It is intended to be a permanent destination.

Do you mean revolution, which is transitional to another form of government?

But I don't see why revolution would be necessary if all you're trying to get to is socialism. America is already partly socialist.

...Do you believe we live under pure capitalism or something? If so, explain SS and Medicare to me. That's... socialism, dude.

Are you for real right now?
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Using your 'turn words on their heads' definitions, I see.

Side note: Maybe you can next claim the GOP pushed for the Civil War because current day dems demand the destruction of Civil War statues?
 
cabse5 said:
Using your 'turn words on their heads' definitions, I see.

Side note: Maybe you can next claim the GOP pushed for the Civil War because current day dems demand the destruction of Civil War statues?
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Um, no. First sentence of Wiki might be able to help you out.

Anarchism is a political philosophy that advocates self-governed societies based on voluntary institutions.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism

What the hell do the Democrats or the Civil War have to do with anything? If you think you're going to distract me with this crap, try again.

So, are you going to explain to me what sort of government you believe America currently has?
 
RabidAlpaca said:
I would say no.



Sure there is, you just don't like it so you pretend we don't exist.
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The defining trait between Right and Left especially here in America is the Right desires the Constitutional Republic created by our Founding Fathers. The Left wants an all-powerful Govt that controls everything.

This is mostly because Leftist want a Socialist based economy and society. Socialism is so antithetical to human nature you must force people to do it, this can only be done with an all-powerful Govt.

The Right includes Conservatives, Linertrains and Anarchists. By current Definitions Anarchists want no Govt to the point of Mad Max. The Difference between Conservatives and Libertarians are social issues.

Anyone who has debated me knows I’m as a Right Wing as you can get. But as a Libertarian I have no religion, I’m fine with early term abortion, I don’t care if LBGT wants to get married.

The Left includes Progressive, Liberal, Socialist, Fascist, Communist.

The absolute only difference between Fascist and Socialist is how they control their economies. Fascist economics is total Govt control of Capitalism. With Socialism, there is no private sector economy.

Up until several decades ago the term “Liberal” described what the definition of “Libertarian” is today, when you hear the term “Classical Liberal” that is what they are talking about. Someone who desires individual freedom and a Limited Power Govt, but doesn’t necessarily subscribe to Religious social policies (Benjamin Franklin).

The definition of “Liberal” changed to describe “a quasi-socialist” because Leftist who thought the name sounded cool or wanted to muddy the waters started calling themselves that.

Today Leftist are doing the same with “Libertarian” and “Anarchist.”

Leftist are embracing an Ideology that has always failed and over the last 100 years has killed more people than cancer. They have to propagandize by changing definitions and moving the goal posts just to keep up in debates.
 
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cabse5 said:
Read the history on that era if you don't think the Nazi Party weren't anarchists. I guess you'll be surprised.
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I studied history, Nazis were not anything close to narchists.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
Um, no. First sentence of Wiki might be able to help you out.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism

What the hell do the Democrats or the Civil War have to do with anything? If you think you're going to distract me with this crap, try again.

So, are you going to explain to me what sort of government you believe America currently has?
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Why don't you re-read the first sentence of your wikipedia definition and, while you're at it, why don't you read this defintion of anarchy by Google?
https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&q=definition+of+anarchy&oq=definition+of+anarchy&gs_l=psy-ab.13..0l4.4383.12163.0.16323.27.23.4.0.0.0.263.2205.14j6j1.21.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..2.25.2298...0i131k1j0i10k1j0i13k1j0i13i30k1j0i13i10i30k1.Mv0-WpuDroM
 
cabse5 said:
Why don't you re-read the first sentence of your wikipedia definition and, while you're at it, why don't you read this defintion of anarchy by Google?
https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&q=definition+of+anarchy&oq=definition+of+anarchy&gs_l=psy-ab.13..0l4.4383.12163.0.16323.27.23.4.0.0.0.263.2205.14j6j1.21.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..2.25.2298...0i131k1j0i10k1j0i13k1j0i13i30k1j0i13i10i30k1.Mv0-WpuDroM
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Anarchism is a political philosophy that advocates self-governed societies based on voluntary institutions. These are often described as stateless societies,[1][2][3][4] although several authors have defined them more specifically as institutions based on non-hierarchical free associations.[5][6][7][8] Anarchism holds the state to be undesirable, unnecessary, and harmful.[9][10]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism

a state of disorder due to absence or nonrecognition of authority.
"he must ensure public order in a country threatened with anarchy"
synonymes : lawlessness, nihilism, mobocracy, revolution, insurrection, disorder, chaos, mayhem, tumult, turmoil
"conditions are dangerously ripe for anarchy"
antonymes : government, order

•absence of government and absolute freedom of the individual, regarded as a political ideal.
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https://www.google.ca/search?source...0-WpuDroM&gws_rd=cr&ei=0imYWfb2N4mMjwSWq5KgCA

Nazis were not anarchists
The claim is absurd, perhaps you should actually read the definitions
 
Quag said:
I studied history, Nazis were not anything close to narchists.
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Read this wikipedia account of the rise in power of the Nazi Party in Germany. Quite a bit of violence was involved. For example, the failed coup de etat (violent overthrow of the current government) attempt of the Weimar Republic of Germany in 1923 by the Nazi Party. For example, after the Nazis gained political power in Germany after 1933, violent infighting between Rotfront and SA factions within the Nazi Party with the SA eventually gaining control of the Nazi Party. BTW, Communists lost after they threw themselves into that violent power struggle mix to gain control of the government of Germany after Weimar Republic fell.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_rise_to_power

Me thinks you have a very limited and very self-serving definition of anarchists. Here's Google's definition of anarchy.
https://www.google.com/search?q=anarchy&oq=anarchy&gs_l=psy-ab.12..0i67k1l4.7802.12175.0.14489.50.23.0.0.0.0.128.1894.21j2.23.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..42.1.112.NPBHlcWu3f8 There is nothing politically specific about an anarchist. In my words: An anarchist uses violence to end current government. What the anarchists' goal is anybody's guess. An anarchist wants to set up a specific type of government to replace the one they want to take out.

Sometimes anarchy appears constant which means the preferred government of anarchists hasn't been achieved. For example, Muslim terrorists may appear to constantly be for anarchy but that is until a caliphate is set up around the world.
 
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cabse5 said:
Read this wikipedia account of the rise in power of the Nazi Party in Germany. Quite a bit of violence was involved. For example, the failed coup de etat (violent overthrow of the current government) attempt of the Weimar Republic of Germany in 1923 by the Nazi Party. For example, after the Nazis gained political power in Germany after 1933, violent infighting between Rotfront and SA factions within the Nazi Party with the SA eventually gaining control of the Nazi Party. BTW, Communists were thrown into that violent power struggle mix to gain control of the government of Germany after Weimar Republic fell and lost.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_rise_to_power

Me thinks you have a very limited and very self-serving definition of anarchists. Here's Google's definition of anarchy.
https://www.google.com/search?q=anarchy&oq=anarchy&gs_l=psy-ab.12..0i67k1l4.7802.12175.0.14489.50.23.0.0.0.0.128.1894.21j2.23.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..42.1.112.NPBHlcWu3f8
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Violence doenst mean anarchy, attempted coup doesnt mean anarchy, nazis were not anarchists

Did you not actually read what anarchy is?
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
Um, no. First sentence of Wiki might be able to help you out.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism

What the hell do the Democrats or the Civil War have to do with anything? If you think you're going to distract me with this crap, try again.

So, are you going to explain to me what sort of government you believe America currently has?
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Your misuse of the word anarchist for political gains and my added hypothetical example of possible misuse of information of who started the Civil War and the reasons for starting that war.

The US has a republican democracy type of government. Meaning, for example, one official is elected to represent the desires of many voters.
 
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cabse5 said:
did you not read the definition of anarchy in wiki? Anarchy is not politcally specific.
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Did you read the definition?
Of course it is not politically specific it
Anarchism holds the state to be undesirable, unnecessary, and harmful
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No govt, no politics, no way to be politically specific
nazis were not anarchists
 
Back to the premise of the thread. Both Spencer and Sanders are anarchists. Both profess to be socialists. Both want to replace the new government by violent means.

Spencer enlists white supremacists because he has a desire to include the white race and culture. Sanders includes the, for example, BLM because he doesn't want to include the white race and culture.
 
cabse5 said:
Back to the premise of the thread. Both Spencer and Sanders are anarchists. Both profess to be socialists. Both want to replace the new government by violent means.
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That doenst make them anarchists

Spencer enlists white supremacists because he has a desire to include the white race and culture. Sanders includes the, for example, BLM because he doesn't want to include the white race and culture.
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Racism isnt anarchism
You really need to read the definition of the term and stop posting garbage
 
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cabse5 said:
Why don't you re-read the first sentence of your wikipedia definition and, while you're at it, why don't you read this defintion of anarchy by Google?
https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&q=definition+of+anarchy&oq=definition+of+anarchy&gs_l=psy-ab.13..0l4.4383.12163.0.16323.27.23.4.0.0.0.263.2205.14j6j1.21.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..2.25.2298...0i131k1j0i10k1j0i13k1j0i13i30k1j0i13i10i30k1.Mv0-WpuDroM
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Aaaand none of this has anything to do with socialism, still. :lol:

Well, this was fun.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
Aaaand none of this has anything to do with socialism, still. :lol:

Well, this was fun.
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What does socialism (which both Sanders and Spencer profess) have anything to do with anarchists?
 
There is no specific political interpetation of an anarchist. An alt-right who wants to overthrow the government, violently, is an anarchist. An alt-left who wants to violently overthrow the government is an anarchist. Figure it out, just once.

You're mistaken and ideological if you're saying one man's violence is better, is more righteous than another man's violence.

Sanders and Spencer are anarchists. Spencer does not believe in diversity and Sanders believes in diversity for every race and culture except the white race and culture.
 
Casca XV said:
Today Left & Right especially here in America are defined as Collectivist and Individualists.

Collectivist/Leftist: are Progressive, Liberal, Socialist, Fascists, Communist or any other Ideology that wants Government/State running everything.

Individualists/Right Wingers: are Libertarians, Conservatives or any other Ideology that wants limited power Government, individual freedom and Constitutional Republic created by our Founding Fathers.

Race, Religion and other social issues as important as they are, are not defining traits of either the Left or Right.
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Those that are bolded are total myths. What you really want is a stronger Govt. that enforces your prejudices and morals with an iron fist. You only dislike Govt. when it cares about and protects the weak and poor of our society because you mistakenly feel that hurts you.
 
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