What do most of the last mass shootings have in common?

[Chillfolks]

DO you ever know what the .223 does after it enters the human body, it tumbles but at a much higher velocity than a slower bullet causing way more damage. I was in the military and I think that they would know more than you and I would take their word. And in our display it wan't shot into wood or metal but into a jell block which is similar to human flesh and where you could actually see the damage. Why am I arguing with someone who just doesn't know the truth!!

It also depends on distance from target. If you're in a nominal distance say <20feet the.223 is most likely going penetrate. A 9mm HP at the same distance is going to cause more damage. Now if we are talking 50 yards out then YES the .223 will do more damage




Also in many states you can buy an AR before you can a handgun or a beer because if age restrictions. Maybe raising the age to purchase an AR could help. 18 to 21 could still by rifles for hunting and home protection just the scary black ones you gotta wait to buy.

 

[Kal'Stang]

Hand grenades are off limits because they are a danger and cause mass destruction. As I said. Even though people want them because they're fun, they still can't have them.

One shot from a gun equals one hole. One shot from a hand grenade equals thousands of holes. See the difference?

I'm disappointed because you and I both know that fire extinguishers have exactly zero to do with a discussion about a specific firearm that's intended to kill a lot of people, and as recently as 2 days ago killed 15 teenagers. I don't remember 15 teenagers being killed by a fire extinguisher.

But they do have something to do with your concept of "need". Something which is not required when it comes to Rights. Plain fact of the matter is that no one NEEDS a gun. Just like no one NEEDS a fire extinguisher. But they sure are handy to have in the right circumstances. But both can be used in the wrong way. Prosecutors: Woman used fire extinguisher to kill husband

And yet no matter what you do, the reason that murder/killings happens will never be because of the guns, or fire extinguishers, or knives, or bats, or cars, or ropes, or any other object in the world. If you want to stop/prevent murder/killings from happening then you need to address the root causes that those things happen to begin with. Which sure as heck isn't caused by inanimate objects.

 

[LowDown]

What do most of the last mass shootings have in common?

Caucasian killers. All, not most.

Yeah, you really need to go with that.

 

[tres borrachos]

One shot from a gun equals one hole. One shot from a hand grenade equals thousands of holes. See the difference?



But they do have something to do with your concept of "need". Something which is not required when it comes to Rights. Plain fact of the matter is that no one NEEDS a gun. Just like no one NEEDS a fire extinguisher. But they sure are handy to have in the right circumstances. But both can be used in the wrong way. Prosecutors: Woman used fire extinguisher to kill husband

And yet no matter what you do, the reason that murder/killings happens will never be because of the guns, or fire extinguishers, or knives, or bats, or cars, or ropes, or any other object in the world. If you want to stop/prevent murder/killings from happening then you need to address the root causes that those things happen to begin with. Which sure as heck isn't caused by inanimate objects.

Of course no one needs a gun, but it's our Constitutional right to own a gun to protect us from bodily assault and a tyrannical government. We can do that without an AR.

I never said that murders wouldn't happen without guns, Kal. Never even implied it. I lost a friend a few years ago to 4 former boy scouts, all teenagers, who broke into her house and killed her with a machete and permanently maimed her teenage daughter. They didn't need a gun to do that. But I'm talking about the story that's in the news, which managed to bring back to my mind something I was glad to have gotten out - the image of those 20 little caskets in Connecticut, 10 days before Christmas in 2012.

So is the answer to just say "Nothing we can do about this, so let's just keep ARs accessible to everyone, and kids will continue to die in their schools"?

 

[Kal'Stang]

So is the answer to just say "Nothing we can do about this, so let's just keep ARs accessible to everyone, and kids will continue to die in their schools"?

Nope. The answer is to find the root cause and fix it. AR's being accessible or not is irrelevant to that.

 

[tres borrachos]

Nope. The answer is to find the root cause and fix it. AR's being accessible or not is irrelevant to that.

So you've decided access to this kind of weaponry isn't the root cause. Okay. So what is the root cause? We've had plenty of time to figure that out. Sandy Hook happened in December of 2012. Las Vegas was 4 months ago. The Texas church was 3 months ago.

 

[JackA]

why do liberals go ballistic over these rare mass shootings but never spend time calling for gun bans in the democrat run cities where young black makes kill thousands a year?

Me ballistic? I'm calmly enjoying the day. But go ahead and deflect to black on black crime all you want if it makes you feel better.

 

[Fishking]

The latest, most serious mass shootings all have something in common ? the AR-15 | Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The AR15, a semi-automatic version of the military automatic assault rifle is the one thing that all of the latest mass killings have in common. The rifle that was once banned and now has become the weapon of choice for the mass murders. Why, for several reasons. For one it can shoot up to 45 rounds per minute and a lot faster with a bump stock which are still legal. A second reason, if you read the article in the link, they inflict a lot more damage to anyone hit by a round than a hand gun. It is also a big money maker for the companies that produce these weapons, so the NRA and the gun makers are going to make sure no one stops the manufacture and/or sale of these weapons. So we shall see many more such mass killings in the future and the weapon of choice will remain the AR15.

All of them where carried out by men. Ban men.

 

[JackA]

There are feasible constructive measures. Some states have taken them. The age limit for purchasing a weapon can be raised, certification for having received training in handling a weapon can be required as a condition of purchase. Congress could reinstate the assault weapons ban. It's telling that in almost every instance of a mass shooting the weapon of choice is an AR-15. The appeal of an AR-15 is more than rapidity in shooting people. The AR-15 is macho. Merely the appearance of wielding an AR-15 imbues the shooter with a kind of super power. A gasoline can with a fuse in it, as someone here suggested, looks extremely lame by comparison in the hero department. It's not feasible to confiscate the vast number of assault weapons already in circulation but it is feasible to require owners to secure their weapons in their homes with criminal penalties for noncompliance. It is too late to stop the current crop of mass killers but the next crop is in grade school and it is not too late to impact them.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

why do liberals go ballistic over these rare mass shootings but never spend time calling for gun bans in the democrat run cities where young black makes kill thousands a year?

You mean in like NYC and Chicago where gun restrictions are very high compared to other parts of the U.S.

Those laws are a little hard to enforce when someone could drive 40 miles to get a gun which they can take back

 

[independentusa]

Of course no one needs a gun, but it's our Constitutional right to own a gun to protect us from bodily assault and a tyrannical government. We can do that without an AR.

I never said that murders wouldn't happen without guns, Kal. Never even implied it. I lost a friend a few years ago to 4 former boy scouts, all teenagers, who broke into her house and killed her with a machete and permanently maimed her teenage daughter. They didn't need a gun to do that. But I'm talking about the story that's in the news, which managed to bring back to my mind something I was glad to have gotten out - the image of those 20 little caskets in Connecticut, 10 days before Christmas in 2012.

So is the answer to just say "Nothing we can do about this, so let's just keep ARs accessible to everyone, and kids will continue to die in their schools"?

When were you bodily assaulted by the government? Just interested.

 

[independentusa]

There are feasible constructive measures. Some states have taken them. The age limit for purchasing a weapon can be raised, certification for having received training in handling a weapon can be required as a condition of purchase. Congress could reinstate the assault weapons ban. It's telling that in almost every instance of a mass shooting the weapon of choice is an AR-15. The appeal of an AR-15 is more than rapidity in shooting people. The AR-15 is macho. Merely the appearance of wielding an AR-15 imbues the shooter with a kind of super power. A gasoline can with a fuse in it, as someone here suggested, looks extremely lame by comparison in the hero department. It's not feasible to confiscate the vast number of assault weapons already in circulation but it is feasible to require owners to secure their weapons in their homes with criminal penalties for noncompliance. It is too late to stop the current crop of mass killers but the next crop is in grade school and it is not too late to impact them.

You could lengthen the wait time and require a mental exam to insure that the person wanting to buy the gun has no mental problems. In japan you can get a gun, but the wait time is usually between 4 and 5 months.

 

[Rob Larrikin]

1: AR15 is the top selling and owned gun in America. That mass shooters use them is only natural to that fact. Doesn't mean that AR15's are the reason/cause for mass shootings.

The same can be said for a nuclear bomb you allow gun shops to sell. People start buying it, then people start bombing American cities. Someone says the nuclear bomb should be banned from sale, and you say, “Doesn't mean that nuclear bombs are the reason/cause for the bombings,” and that is true. The bombs don’t themselves get up and bomb cities. However, the fact that bombs don’t have minds isn’t the point. You can’t nuke cities without nukes. That’s the point.

If this is not your point then you should be bringing up those points instead of targeting an inanimate object.

You can’t do the damage you can do with an AR15 without an AR15. Obviously you need to target the inanimate object.

Instead of blaming an object...try addressing what is actually causing mass shootings.

Murderbrats getting their mitts on murder weapons. AR15s are a popular choice. So yes, ban it, just as you ban nukes.

Blaming an object is about as smart as blaming the car when you hit the gas peddle and run it off the end of a pier.

Which is why you ban driving for underage drivers...

 

[Rob Larrikin]

You could lengthen the wait time and require a mental exam to insure that the person wanting to buy the gun has no mental problems. In japan you can get a gun, but the wait time is usually between 4 and 5 months.

So a single mother patiently waits 5 months, buys the AR15 and stores it in her bedroom, where her crazy murderbrat son grabs it and goes off to kill schoolkids because some kid stole his girlfriend. Yeah, that'll help.

 

[Rob Larrikin]

Those laws are a little hard to enforce when someone could drive 40 miles to get a gun which they can take back

Yes. Any assault rifle gun ban has to be nationwide.

 

[Grim17]

Spot ****ing on. And they never will admit it.

It's been nearly 2 day since I made that post and not one person on the left has bothered to even address it.

That really says it all, don't you think?

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[apdst]

The latest, most serious mass shootings all have something in common ? the AR-15 | Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The AR15, a semi-automatic version of the military automatic assault rifle is the one thing that all of the latest mass killings have in common. The rifle that was once banned and now has become the weapon of choice for the mass murders. Why, for several reasons. For one it can shoot up to 45 rounds per minute and a lot faster with a bump stock which are still legal. A second reason, if you read the article in the link, they inflict a lot more damage to anyone hit by a round than a hand gun. It is also a big money maker for the companies that produce these weapons, so the NRA and the gun makers are going to make sure no one stops the manufacture and/or sale of these weapons. So we shall see many more such mass killings in the future and the weapon of choice will remain the AR15.

The Columbine attackers didn't use AR-15's.

My point, you may be asking yourself? Well, the point, is that when these nutjobs want to do nutjob ****, they'll find a way.

 

[trblmkr]

I grew up in Maryland until I was 13 years old. My last 4 years there I lived in a rural part of the state, the Eastern shore, with my grandparents. There was a gun rack in my bedroom that had a .22 semi-automatic rifle, and 2 shot guns... a .410 and 12 gauge. From the time I was 11, I was fully allowed to use any one of those guns to go hunting or target shooting with my friends as long as I bought the ammo. For all intents and purposes, they were my guns since my grandfather no longer hunted or had any use for them. I was friends with boys my age, up to seniors in high school. Most of the friends I had who drove, carried rifles and shotguns with them in their vehicles, including when they drove to school. Hell, it was hard to find a pickup truck in the area that didn't have a gun rack in it. This was back in the early to mid 70's and surprise surprise... kids weren't shooting up schools and using those weapons to kill people.

Every time one of these school shootings takes place, democrats, liberal activists and the mainstream media immediately lay the blame on insufficient gun control laws, gun manufacturers. or guns themselves, while completely ignoring the 1000 pound elephant sitting in the middle of the room. Instead of examining what these shootings have in common (the type of gun used), we need to be examining what has changed over the last 40+ years, that's led so many kids to commit these mass shootings.... and I'll give you a clue, it's not the guns.

I could write out a laundry list of things that have changed since I was a kid that explain why these shootings have become so prevalent... but let's be honest here, I don't really need to make that list, because anyone with even a small amount of common sense already knows the societal changes that have led to this, even if their politics forbid them from ever admitting it.


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Of course it is societal changes. The access to better firearms just make it worse. But what changes? And what can be done to reverse them? I am hoping someone has an idea, because I'm afraid it is now the way it is.
I have hope in the voices of some of the students from Florida. They may be the generation to change things. I wish them well. The previous generations seem to have nothing to offer but doom and gloom.

 

[Grim17]

Of course it is societal changes. The access to better firearms just make it worse. But what changes? And what can be done to reverse them? I am hoping someone has an idea, because I'm afraid it is now the way it is.
I have hope in the voices of some of the students from Florida. They may be the generation to change things. I wish them well. The previous generations seem to have nothing to offer but doom and gloom.

Geez... as I said, there's a laundry list of things that have changed which have led to what we are faced with today and access to firearms isn't one of them. I assure you that kids had ample access to firearms when I was growing up. In fact, I would say we had quite a bit more access back then compared to what kids have today. Can you imagine if a kid today was seen walking down the road with a shotgun over his shoulder? When I was a kid that was nothing out of the ordinary, yet there wasn't an epidemic of school shootings and mass murder.

I don't know how old you are, but if you grew up prior to the 80's all you have to do is compare how things were then, to how they are now when it comes to how kids are raised, how they're educated and the environment that surrounds them. The rules and norms of society are 100% to blame for what we are seeing now and quite frankly, I don't see it being reversed any time soon. It's because the people who are responsible for those changes still control the national narrative today. The fact that nearly all the talk in the media since this shooting has centered on the issue of "firearms", and very little if any discussion about the factors that have led so many kids of this generation to choose to engage in murder, perfectly illustrates that point.

If you objectively examine the many things that were considered taboo then, that are accepted now... and the things that were accepted then, that are being portrayed negatively or seen as taboo now, it's impossible to dismiss those changes being responsible for the violence we are seeing today. Guns have been around since the founding of the country, but the epidemic of violent kids murdering people with such frequency has not.

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[Nap]

Geez... as I said, there's a laundry list of things that have changed which have led to what we are faced with today and access to firearms isn't one of them. I assure you that kids had ample access to firearms when I was growing up. In fact, I would say we had quite a bit more access back then compared to what kids have today. Can you imagine if a kid today was seen walking down the road with a shotgun over his shoulder? When I was a kid that was nothing out of the ordinary, yet there wasn't an epidemic of school shootings and mass murder.

I don't know how old you are, but if you grew up prior to the 80's all you have to do is compare how things were then, to how they are now when it comes to how kids are raised, how they're educated and the environment that surrounds them. The rules and norms of society are 100% to blame for what we are seeing now and quite frankly, I don't see it being reversed any time soon. It's because the people who are responsible for those changes still control the national narrative today. The fact that nearly all the talk in the media since this shooting has centered on the issue of "firearms", and very little if any discussion about the factors that have led so many kids of this generation to choose to engage in murder, perfectly illustrates that point.

If you objectively examine the many things that were considered taboo then, that are accepted now... and the things that were accepted then, that are being portrayed negatively or seen as taboo now, it's impossible to dismiss those changes being responsible for the violence we are seeing today. Guns have been around since the founding of the country, but the epidemic of violent kids murdering people with such frequency has not.

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80's? I grew up in the 90s and we used to go out in the woods with our "weapons of war semiautomatic nuclear assault rifles" without parental supervision to shoot rabbits and squirrels all the time. If you allowed a kid to do that now you would probably get locked up.

 

[Nap]

Of course it is societal changes. The access to better firearms just make it worse. But what changes? And what can be done to reverse them? I am hoping someone has an idea, because I'm afraid it is now the way it is.
I have hope in the voices of some of the students from Florida. They may be the generation to change things. I wish them well. The previous generations seem to have nothing to offer but doom and gloom.

Access to better firearms? Semiautomatics have been around since the late 1800s.

 

[holbritter]

It's been nearly 2 day since I made that post and not one person on the left has bothered to even address it.

That really says it all, don't you think?

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Volumes

 

[trblmkr]

Geez... as I said, there's a laundry list of things that have changed which have led to what we are faced with today and access to firearms isn't one of them. I assure you that kids had ample access to firearms when I was growing up. In fact, I would say we had quite a bit more access back then compared to what kids have today. Can you imagine if a kid today was seen walking down the road with a shotgun over his shoulder? When I was a kid that was nothing out of the ordinary, yet there wasn't an epidemic of school shootings and mass murder.

I don't know how old you are, but if you grew up prior to the 80's all you have to do is compare how things were then, to how they are now when it comes to how kids are raised, how they're educated and the environment that surrounds them. The rules and norms of society are 100% to blame for what we are seeing now and quite frankly, I don't see it being reversed any time soon. It's because the people who are responsible for those changes still control the national narrative today. The fact that nearly all the talk in the media since this shooting has centered on the issue of "firearms", and very little if any discussion about the factors that have led so many kids of this generation to choose to engage in murder, perfectly illustrates that point.

If you objectively examine the many things that were considered taboo then, that are accepted now... and the things that were accepted then, that are being portrayed negatively or seen as taboo now, it's impossible to dismiss those changes being responsible for the violence we are seeing today. Guns have been around since the founding of the country, but the epidemic of violent kids murdering people with such frequency has not.

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I used to tie my shotgun to the handlebars of my bike to ride orchards, vineyards and train tracks where we hunted. In high school I had on a gun rack in my truck, parked at school.
We actually had a shooter in my school. But it happened after school on the road. He was on acid and started shooting at cars going by with a 30-06. He killed one kid that was riding in the back of a truck. Another thing we could do then.
I think a blank statement like access to firearms has nothing to do with it doesn't fly when combined with all the new problems we have now that we didn't have then. And we had guns, but we didn't have AR's, drum magazines, or even 15 round 9mm semi autos. Like bullies in school or the jocks taking shots at nerds. It happened, but now with facebook, snapchat, etc, one person can really tear up some other kids life. But I really don't have answers. Maybe we fund multiple veins of research and see where it goes.

 

[trblmkr]

Access to better firearms? Semiautomatics have been around since the late 1800s.

OK, let me know when a school is shot up with a 50 cal gattling gun. They didn't have anything like what you can buy at Walmart today. And you couldn't go online and order 1,000 rounds of munitions and a ballistic vest delivered to your house. Remember that the BAR was a game changer in WWII. The AK47 and M16 were game changers of their time. I am not anti-gun, but if you pay attention to these high school kids talking on TV, they are smart and they are serious. They will be voters in a year or two. And they will outnumber those who own and want to own arms like the AR. I would suggest you force the NRA and other groups to stop fighting every piece of legislation that comes along and help draft something while you still have a say in it.

 

[Grim17]

I used to tie my shotgun to the handlebars of my bike to ride orchards, vineyards and train tracks where we hunted. In high school I had on a gun rack in my truck, parked at school.
We actually had a shooter in my school. But it happened after school on the road. He was on acid and started shooting at cars going by with a 30-06. He killed one kid that was riding in the back of a truck. Another thing we could do then.
I think a blank statement like access to firearms has nothing to do with it doesn't fly when combined with all the new problems we have now that we didn't have then. And we had guns, but we didn't have AR's, drum magazines, or even 15 round 9mm semi autos. Like bullies in school or the jocks taking shots at nerds. It happened, but now with facebook, snapchat, etc, one person can really tear up some other kids life. But I really don't have answers. Maybe we fund multiple veins of research and see where it goes.

If someone gets in their car and mows down a bunch of people at a parade, do we blame the car, or the driver?

If someone sets off a bomb in a public place to kill as many people as possible, do we blame the bomb, or the person who planted and set it off?

Guns are not the issue here. It's how are children are being raised and educated, as well as the things they are being exposed to, and not being exposed to that has directly led us to where we are today. As I stated, those responsible for these societal changes are still in control of the national narrative, and until that narrative is taken back from them, things are only going to get worse.

It's the willingness to kill, not the means by which it's done, that needs to be addressed.

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