We will always have socialists among us.

[bricklayer]

No one becomes a socialist. There may be a point in time when one realizes that they are a socialist, but no one becomes a socialist. We are all socialists until we grow up and earn our own money. Socialism is something that we provide to young children while we train them to take authority over and responsibility for themselves. Socialism in one of age is a 'Peter Pan' syndrome. Socialism in one of age is born out of a desire to remain in the socialism of their youth by force of law. We are all born shortsighted, self-centered socialists; maturing is moving away from that condition.

'From each according to their need, and to each according to their ability', only works when it is voluntary. Marxism has a compulsory nature.
'From each according to their will, and to each according to their ability', cannot be compelled. It has a voluntary nature. It must, however, be defended.

We will always have socialists among us for the exact same reason that we will always have the poor among us; it's because we're born that way.

 

[bricklayer]

If then

 

[Manc Skipper]

You say that like it's a bad thing.

 

[Casper]

No one becomes a socialist. There may be a point in time when one realizes that they are a socialist, but no one becomes a socialist. We are all socialists until we grow up and earn our own money. Socialism is something that we provide to young children while we train them to take authority over and responsibility for themselves. Socialism in one of age is a 'Peter Pan' syndrome. Socialism in one of age is born out of a desire to remain in the socialism of their youth by force of law. We are all born shortsighted, self-centered socialists; maturing is moving away from that condition.

'From each according to their need, and to each according to their ability', only works when it is voluntary. Marxism has a compulsory nature.
'From each according to their will, and to each according to their ability', cannot be compelled. It has a voluntary nature. It must, however, be defended.

We will always have socialists among us for the exact same reason that we will always have the poor among us; it's because we're born that way.

Jesus was born a Socialist. But yes they will always be among us along with the far right, racists, bigots, and self-centered A-holes.

 

[bricklayer]

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Whenever people just don't grow up and earn their own money, it's a sad thing.

 

[CaughtInThe]

conservatives are taking FEDERAL government welfare as they complain about others.

 

[bricklayer]

Jesus was born a Socialist. But yes they will always be among us along with the far right, racists, bigots, and self-centered A-holes.

Jesus may have been born a socialist, but he certainly didn't live, or die, as a Marxist.

 

[Casper]

Jesus may have been born a socialist, but he certainly didn't live, or die, as a Marxist.

Two different idiologies. Thanks...

 

[beerftw]

No one becomes a socialist. There may be a point in time when one realizes that they are a socialist, but no one becomes a socialist. We are all socialists until we grow up and earn our own money. Socialism is something that we provide to young children while we train them to take authority over and responsibility for themselves. Socialism in one of age is a 'Peter Pan' syndrome. Socialism in one of age is born out of a desire to remain in the socialism of their youth by force of law. We are all born shortsighted, self-centered socialists; maturing is moving away from that condition.

'From each according to their need, and to each according to their ability', only works when it is voluntary. Marxism has a compulsory nature.
'From each according to their will, and to each according to their ability', cannot be compelled. It has a voluntary nature. It must, however, be defended.

We will always have socialists among us for the exact same reason that we will always have the poor among us; it's because we're born that way.

Marxism is terrible in general, read his crap, he talks about erasing history, gender roles, family units, capitalism and a bunch of other crap, and even admits socialism can not thrive unless it has no competition. So by marx socialism can only work if all other economic systems were eliminated, all history unfavorable erased, religion erased, etc etc, it is almost like calling someone in a race the fastest runner but only if he can shoot every other runner in the leg first.

MArxism is a joke and is authoritarian in it's own right, and usually run by extreme authoritarians when implemented.


There is a reason democratic socialists shy away from marx, because marx was an authoritarian jerk who believed his system was so awesome that it would totally work as long as you destroyed every other system and all history and pretty much anything that can contradict it, while democratic socialism works miles apart, as did socialist experiments before marx but sadly not many after.

 

[Aurora]

Jesus was born a Socialist. But yes they will always be among us along with the far right, racists, bigots, and self-centered A-holes.

Jesus lived in a political system , he was not of the system. He preached to individuals not government systems.

 

[bricklayer]

conservatives are taking FEDERAL government welfare as they complain about others.

One who thinks of them self and others, first and foremost, as members of groups rather than individuals can claim to know everything they need to know about people they know absolutely nothing about other than they can group them with others. One who thinks of them self and others, first and foremost, as members of groups rather then individuals can attribute every good, or bad, thing found throughout a group to each and every individual in that group even if it adds up to more than any one person could ever contain. Unless one thinks of them self and others, first and foremost, as members of groups rather than individuals they cannot be: racist, sexist, any type of Marxist, BLM, SJW, or ANTIFA.

 

[Casper]

Jesus lived in a political system , he was not of the system. He preached to individuals not government systems.

Never said otherwise, but the. Again His ideals are more Socialist leaning than any other system.

 

[bricklayer]

Marxism is terrible in general, read his crap, he talks about erasing history, gender roles, family units, capitalism and a bunch of other crap, and even admits socialism can not thrive unless it has no competition. So by marx socialism can only work if all other economic systems were eliminated, all history unfavorable erased, religion erased, etc etc, it is almost like calling someone in a race the fastest runner but only if he can shoot every other runner in the leg first.

MArxism is a joke and is authoritarian in it's own right, and usually run by extreme authoritarians when implemented.


There is a reason democratic socialists shy away from marx, because marx was an authoritarian jerk who believed his system was so awesome that it would totally work as long as you destroyed every other system and all history and pretty much anything that can contradict it, while democratic socialism works miles apart, as did socialist experiments before marx but sadly not many after.

"From each according to their ability and to each according to their need", only works if it is voluntary. All forms of Marxism, including democratic-socialism, have a completely compulsory nature. The much better model is - From each according to their will and to each according to their ability.

 

[Aurora]

Never said otherwise, but the. Again His ideals are more Socialist leaning than any other system.

You are stretching the gospel to fuel a lie. The left wants to make Jesus political. Jesus instructed YOU to help your neighbor. The left wants a govt SNAP card , free education and everything else.

 

[Variant]

Socialism doesn't cease to be socialism when conservatives do it, it's just that conservatives don't complain about socialism when it's their guy doing it.

Bulk of Trump's U.S. farm aid goes to biggest and wealthiest farmers: advocacy group - Reuters

Farm Aid

Corona virus Stimulus

Or maybe a different guy that was also their guy and totally not a socialist:

Troubled Asset Relief Program - Wikipedia

So, I've lived through two "conservative" republican presidents who were in no way shape or form "socialists" who signed into law some of the most meaty socialism I've seen in my lifetime, mostly for major corporations, wealthy farmers, and gigantic banks.

 

[bricklayer]

Jesus lived in a political system , he was not of the system. He preached to individuals not government systems.

Love is almost exclusively an individual thing. It is much easier to love an individual than it is to love a group unless the group represents an individual that is already loved. For example: I love Christians because I love Jesus Christ. Hate is almost exclusively group thing. It is much easier to hate a group than it is to hate an individual. It is much easier to hate Christians than it is to hate Jesus Christ.

 

[beerftw]

"From each according to their ability and to each according to their need", only works if it is voluntary. All forms of Marxism, including democratic-socialism, have a completely compulsory nature. The much better model is - From each according to their will and to each according to their ability.

Democratic socialism predates marx writings, and marx even hated democratic socialism, considering it to be socialism run by democracy and the middle class rather than his radical ideal of authoritarian govt which would transform eventually into communism(never made it that far though countries used the title).

Closer to marx's ideals are actually anarchists, who's ideal govt setup mirrors communism, however despite anarchists usually being devout followers of marx, they break away on method, marx believed society had to be transformed through authoritarian action then transformed again into communism, while anarchists believed they could jump straight to anarchy which is near identical to communism though it outdates marx as well, but far different from socialism as socialism still has class structures, central govt etc while communism is to be a classless stateless society self governed by the people aka anarchy to an extent as both systems desire that outcome.

 

[Aurora]

Socialism doesn't cease to be socialism when conservatives do it, it's just that conservatives don't complain about socialism when it's their guy doing it.

Bulk of Trump's U.S. farm aid goes to biggest and wealthiest farmers: advocacy group - Reuters

Farm Aid

Corona virus Stimulus

Or maybe a different guy that was also their guy and totally not a socialist:

Troubled Asset Relief Program - Wikipedia

So, I've lived through two "conservative" republican presidents who were in no way shape or form "socialists" who signed into law some of the most meaty socialism I've seen in my lifetime, mostly for major corporations, wealthy farmers, and gigantic banks.

TARP was a remedy to address a crisis that had severe economic consequences. It wasn't a permanent way of life. TARP was at the very end of Bush's term. That was to stop the depression that was expected to come. The economy rebounded . Obama rode through that rebound.

 

[bricklayer]

Democratic socialism predates marx writings, and marx even hated democratic socialism, considering it to be socialism run by democracy and the middle class rather than his radical ideal of authoritarian govt which would transform eventually into communism(never made it that far though countries used the title).

Closer to marx's ideals are actually anarchists, who's ideal govt setup mirrors communism, however despite anarchists usually being devout followers of marx, they break away on method, marx believed society had to be transformed through authoritarian action then transformed again into communism, while anarchists believed they could jump straight to anarchy which is near identical to communism though it outdates marx as well, but far different from socialism as socialism still has class structures, central govt etc while communism is to be a classless stateless society self governed by the people aka anarchy to an extent as both systems desire that outcome.

You may well be able to attribute that to them, then, but you cannot attribute that to those calling themselves democratic-socialists now. They are every bit as authoritarian as Marx ever hoped for.
Government, in any form, is the legal use of force. Everything done by government is done by force of law. Government has a completely compulsory nature. The only thing that I want enforced is FROM EACH ACCORDING TO THEIR WILL AND TO EACH ACCORDING TO THEIR ABILITY.

 

[beerftw]

You may well be able to attribute that to them, then, but you cannot attribute that to those calling themselves democratic-socialists now. They are every bit as authoritarian as Marx ever hoped for.
Government, in any form, is the legal use of force. Everything done by government is done by force of law. Government has a completely compulsory nature. The only thing that I want enforced is FROM EACH ACCORDING TO THEIR WILL AND TO EACH ACCORDING TO THEIR ABILITY.

Democratic socialists are popular in europe, and are entirely different even to this day, they believe in implementin socialism through democracy and over time rather than authoritarian change.

You might want to google the differences between them, I will give you a hint, democratic socialists generally opposed marx, he soviet union, comunist china north korea etc, they are a far cry from marx, while anarchists to this day mirror marx but argue against his plan of implementation wanting to skip to the final step and bypassing socialism altogether.

 

[Casper]

You are stretching the gospel to fuel a lie. The left wants to make Jesus political. Jesus instructed YOU to help your neighbor. The left wants a govt SNAP card , free education and everything else.

Wow, you sure took a leap of Assumption there.

 

[bricklayer]

Democratic socialists are popular in europe, and are entirely different even to this day, they believe in implementin socialism through democracy and over time rather than authoritarian change.

You might want to google the differences between them, I will give you a hint, democratic socialists generally opposed marx, he soviet union, comunist china north korea etc, they are a far cry from marx, while anarchists to this day mirror marx but argue against his plan of implementation wanting to skip to the final step and bypassing socialism altogether.

A lie does not become true, wrong does not become right, and evil does not become good just because it is accepted by a majority. Booker T. Washington.

I DO NOT WANT TO GO THE WAY OF EUROPE !!!

Our constitutional-republic is the least worst form of government among men ever.

 

[Variant]

TARP was a remedy to address a crisis that had severe economic consequences. It wasn't a permanent way of life. TARP was at the very end of Bush's term. That was to stop the depression that was expected to come. The economy rebounded . Obama rode through that rebound.

My argument is that it was socialism.

My argument is that the Right doesn't mind socialism so much when it's meant to save their bacon.

 

[beerftw]

A lie does not become true, wrong does not become right, and evil does not become good just because it is accepted by a majority. Booker T. Washington.

I DO NOT WANT TO GO THE WAY OF EUROPE !!!

Our constitutional-republic is the least worst form of government among men ever.

So now your argument changed, I will give you a hint, if you want to argue socialism you might want to research it first, the same applies to any ideology, less you be the blind trying to lead the blind.

 

[Aurora]

My argument is that it was socialism.

My argument is that the Right doesn't mind socialism so much when it's meant to save their bacon.

Bernie Sanders says entitlement is a right. That is a way of life. That seems to be the system you want.