We Know the Cure for Poverty: The Empowerment of Women

[Scrabaholic]

Abby said she performed non nessary abortions on women who were not pregnant and women who had had miscarriages

And that really troubles me . If the clinic she worked really did use the suction procedure on women who mistakening thought they were pregnant but weren’t really pregnant it would be assault.

As well as fraud, since they paid PP for the procedure.

Abby Johnson is a big fat liar.

 

[Scrabaholic]

So you think these 2 women who worked at Planned Parenthood are telling the truth about quotas ?

Really ?

It seems ( if they are really telling the truth about Planned Parenthood having quotas ) they have no problem lying to patients who come into a Planned Parenhood worried that they missed a period and telling those women they are pregnant and need an abortion.

Do you really think most women have Not already taken a home pregnancy test before they make the appointment for their visit ?

Do you really think that there are enough women they can con into going through an abortion and hand over $400 without even being pregnant?

How dumb do you really believe women are?

Over 60 percent of women who seek abortions are already raising at least one child.

You think those women are not aware that if they continued their pregnacy chances are they would have another child to buy food for, provide adequate housing for, and care for ?

As I said disgruntled employees sometimes but you think the two workers are not lying about Planned Parenthood but have no problem lying to hundreds of patients ?

You'd think that at least one anti choicer would have gone in there pretending to be pregnant to catch PP in this fraud they claim happens.

 

[Iron_Merc]

Well of course you pro abortionists would have to say she's lying. I can tell you are all intellectually dishonest because the reality of the situation is these are not lies. These are real facts about PP and people deserve to know the truth. We shouldn't running from the truth, you guys should be open enough to accept some form of evidence. I give you two independent sources and all you can say is they are both lairs? These are not disgruntled employees with a grudge. These are pro life turned women who see the destructive force of abortion first hand. They care about saving lives. The last thing on their minds is lying! LOL

I will try to find more sources for you guys tomorrow.

I just wanted to let you guys know that I protested at an abortion clinic today. We had some success. It felt good to get out, even if my back not great, It was still important to get the word out. I also joined 40 days for life which is an anti abortionist group that educates people and communities and the lethality of abortion and the damning reality of abortion, which strips the mother of her motherhood. It destroys life and it destroys family.

Let me ask you this. If the right wing started aborting baby puppies, would you have a problem with that?

 

[minnie616]

Well of course you pro abortionists would have to say she's lying. I can tell you are all intellectually dishonest because the reality of the situation is these are not lies. These are real facts about PP and people deserve to know the truth. We shouldn't running from the truth, you guys should be open enough to accept some form of evidence. I give you two independent sources and all you can say is they are both lairs? These are not disgruntled employees with a grudge. These are pro life turned women who see the destructive force of abortion first hand. They care about saving lives. The last thing on their minds is lying! LOL

I will try to find more sources for you guys tomorrow.

I just wanted to let you guys know that I protested at an abortion clinic today. We had some success. It felt good to get out, even if my back not great, It was still important to get the word out. I also joined 40 days for life which is an anti abortionist group that educates people and communities and the lethality of abortion and the damning reality of abortion, which strips the mother of her motherhood. It destroys life and it destroys family.

Let me ask you this. If the right wing started aborting baby puppies, would you have a problem with that?

Pro choice is not pro abortion.

Do you even understand the definition of quota?

From the following:

1.the share or proportional part of a total that is required from, or is due or belongs to, a particular district, state, person, group, etc.

2.a proportional part or share of a fixed total amount or quantity.

3.the number or percentage of persons of a specified kind permitted to enroll in a college, join a club, immigrate to a country, etc.

Quota | Definition of Quota at Dictionary.com



You claim that 2 women who use to work at PP were told they had to perform a certain number of abortions.

Where did they find all these extra pregnant women or women they could convince were pregnant even if they were not pregnant?

Did they go on the streets and pull random women into their PP office ?

Did they get their men friends who live in the area to go and rape women so more pregnant women would come in ?

Perhaps you can explain if how you think they could increase the number of abortions when only a certain number of women enter a PP for an abortion?

My thoughts are is really nothing the woman could have done to significantly raise the number of abortions performed at a clinic when working with the women who normally visit a Planned Parenthood.

By the way as I told you the number of abortions in the US have fallen significantly in the last several years.

In fact by 2014 - 2015 the US had a lower rate of abortions than Denmark, Sweden, France, Canada , and the same rate as The United Kingdom.

Abortion rates by country (list by country)

 

[Iron_Merc]

Do you even understand the definition of quota?

From the following:

1.the share or proportional part of a total that is required from, or is due or belongs to, a particular district, state, person, group, etc.

2.a proportional part or share of a fixed total amount or quantity.

3.the number or percentage of persons of a specified kind permitted to enroll in a college, join a club, immigrate to a country, etc.

You claim that 2 women who use to work at PP were told they had to perform a certain number of abortio
Where did they find all these extra pregnant women or women they convince we’re pregnant who were not pregnant?

Did they go on the streets and pull random women into their PP office ?

Did they get their men friends who live in the area to go and rape women so more pregnant women would come in ?

You are thinking rationally if you do not understand only a certain number of women enter a PP for an abortion.

There is nothing the woman could have done to significantly raise the number of abortions performed at a clinic.

By the way as I told you the number of abortions in the US have fallen significantly in the last several years.

In fact by 2014 - 2015 the US had a lower rate of abortions than Denmark, Sweden, France, Canada , and the same rate as The United Kingdom.

You are totally in the dark. Not sure what you are babbling on about. I will get you some real data in the morning. But yes, Planned Parenthood has quotas like a car salesmen. Remember That's how PP makes their money, on abortion. That is their primary source of income. So its sick. We have mothers who abort babies and abortionists who need to sell abortions to the local area community. Its really disgusting. And really really disrespectful.

 

[minnie616]

You are totally in the dark. Not sure what you are babbling on about. I will get you some real data in the morning. But yes, Planned Parenthood has quotas like a car salesmen. Remember That's how PP makes their money, on abortion. That is their primary source of income. So its sick. We have mothers who abort babies and abortionists who need to sell abortions to the local area community. Its really disgusting. And really really disrespectful.

Like car sales ?

You really think women come into a Planned Parenthood to look at what kind of deal they have to offer ?

Planned Parenthood is a non profit organization if they made money it
is not a gain for the organization.

 

[OceanBlues1]

By letting women be god-less murdering whores?

Wow. Rather extreme, don't you think? I know this thread is a few months old, but I'm curious. How is it being a "godless murdering whore" for a woman to make her own sexual and reproductive choices, including the decision not to reproduce?

I'm still fairly new here, so I'm still catching up. I don't believe it's against the rules to do so.

 

[OceanBlues1]

While abortion may not cure poverty it does empower women and gives us more of even chance.

Exactly. Although using birth control to prevent unwanted pregnancy is the preferred option, we all know that all forms of BC can and do fail sometimes. So women still need the option of abortion when they don't want to stay pregnant.

 

[OceanBlues1]

Not at all. Empowering women is an important and successful way to increase health, education, and financial security.

Agreed. However, I believe there are those who don't seem to want women to have either much education or financial security. The ones who are both anti-abortion and anti-birth-control don't seem to care much about women's health either, judging from what some of them have written.

 

[OceanBlues1]

We lived together. It was personal.

A woman's choice to have an abortion is also personal. She doesn't -- and shouldn't -- need a man's permission or approval to have it.

 

[VanceMack]

Zombie thread.

Empowering women is wonderful but it si NOT the cure for poverty. The cure for poverty is rather well known.

Finish High School.
Dont have babies out of wedlock.
Dont have babies til you can financially afford them.

Thats pretty much it. Universally, if you follow those rules there is a far greater chance of personal and economic success than if you violate any of them.

 

[OceanBlues1]

Its the moral principle - this is what I stand for. Most women don't realize they will be much more unhappy after the abortion. It actually has the potential to ruin these young girls lives.

Really. Well, I think unwanted motherhood ruins teen girls' lives far more than abortion does. Make of that what you will.

Many women don't regret having an abortion at all, other than having to spend the extra money on the procedure. Many of them have reported being happy and relieved that they are no longer pregnant. I believe there's an online blog called Imnotsorry.net that features stories by girls and women stating they aren't sorry they chose abortion over pregnancy and birth. You might want to check that out via Google sometime, assuming it's still online.

 

[weaver2]

While abortion may not cure poverty it does empower women and gives us more of even chance.

Right, abortion can't cure poverty but it can prevent individual families from adding an unwanted child to the family which forces it into poverty. The arrogance of the anti-abortion movement in taking away the right of families and individuals to make personal decisions about their private lives is something to be very concerned about. If they can take away one right what would be the next right they would go after?

 

[OceanBlues1]

There is zero moral about the use of govt force to make women remain pregnant against their will...which would be the result of ending elective abortion.

Agreed.

 

[OceanBlues1]

The arrogance of the anti-abortion movement in taking away the right of families and individuals to make personal decisions about their private lives is something to be very concerned about. If they can take away one right, what would be the next right they would go after?

I have no doubt whatsoever that the anti-abortion movement would target the right of women to use birth control to avoid unwanted pregnancy next. If they ever got their way on outlawing abortion, that is.

 

[WCH]

Wow. Rather extreme, don't you think? I know this thread is a few months old, but I'm curious. How is it being a "godless murdering whore" for a woman to make her own sexual and reproductive choices, including the decision not to reproduce?

I'm still fairly new here, so I'm still catching up. I don't believe it's against the rules to do so.

If you don't believe in life at conception,, can't help you.

Most abortions are due to risky sexual behavior. Knowing the consequences while consciously relying on abortion to fix the problem is essentially pre-meditated murder.

 

[WCH]

A woman's choice to have an abortion is also personal. She doesn't -- and shouldn't -- need a man's permission or approval to have it.

Yet when she want's to keep the baby, it's "we're" pregnant.

 

[Scrabaholic]

Yet when she want's to keep the baby, it's "we're" pregnant.

I've always thought that to be a stupid thing to say. SHE is pregnant, HE is not.

 

[Lursa]

If you don't believe in life at conception,, can't help you.

It's life at conception, but IMO that life is not more valuable than the life of the woman and her health, her contributions to society, her responsibilities to her family/dependents, her obligations and commitments to employer, community, church, society, etc.

Most abortions are due to risky sexual behavior. Knowing the consequences while consciously relying on abortion to fix the problem is essentially pre-meditated murder.

Using birth control, which most couples do or dont need it (infertile, breast feeding, post-menopause, etc) are not indulging in risky sexual behavior.

And expecting even married couples to abstain if they cant afford a child? What kind of irrational nonsense is that?

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[D_NATURED]

Of course. Because the truth is you don't want to find out how Planned Parenthood destroys communities.

What destroys communities is poverty. What causes poverty is the inhuman hierarchy of wealth over health that conservatives advocate for our country.

That's not part of the leftist creed. You put the past in the past and you focus on the future. Isn't that right?

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No, the past is there for us all to learn from and the future is our chance to show how much we've learned. Conservatives fail both parts of that test and shamelessly continue doing the same wrong **** over and over.

 

[weaver2]

Most abortions are due to risky sexual behavior. Knowing the consequences while consciously relying on abortion to fix the problem is essentially pre-meditated murder.

What makes you think that most abortions are due to risky behavior? Links? What do you know about the incidence of use of birth control, the failure rate of condoms, the difficulty of obtaining women's contraceptives, the state determined level of sexual information. I'm guessing 0

 

[OceanBlues1]

If you don't believe in life at conception,, can't help you.

I don't need your help, thanks.

Most abortions are due to risky sexual behavior. Knowing the consequences while consciously relying on abortion to fix the problem is essentially pre-meditated murder.

Your opinion. Which I've just dismissed as irrelevant. By the way, what part of using birth control to avoid unwanted pregnancy is "risky sexual behavior?"

 

[OceanBlues1]

Yet when she wants to keep the baby, it's "we're" pregnant.

So? It's still the woman's choice whether or not to continue a pregnancy, not the man's. As it should be.

 

[WCH]

It's life at conception, but IMO that life is not more valuable than the life of the woman and her health, her contributions to society, her responsibilities to her family/dependents, her obligations and commitments to employer, community, church, society, etc.



Using birth control, which most couples do or dont need it (infertile, breast feeding, post-menopause, etc) are not indulging in risky sexual behavior.

And expecting even married couples to abstain if they cant afford a child? What kind of irrational nonsense is that?

Where is your "obligation" to the life you've created?

Most abortions come from those who practice recreational [risky] sex with the assuredness of knowing they can just kill the kid if they get pregnant. Sounds like a reasoned mind there.

 

[WCH]

So? It's still the woman's choice whether or not to continue a pregnancy, not the man's. As it should be.

Mighty selfish don't ya think?