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CLAX1911 said:
No...
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If your answer is no, then all you are doing is "stirring the pot" because our intelligence community has ascertained that Putin did meddle in our elections and as such, Trump should have called him on that. Instead, he said Putin denied it emphatically and I believe him, therefore OUR information community must be wrong. '

It is an act of treason to choose Putin's denial over our hard worked-for information from professionals that have no reason to lie. Putin has every reason to lie in addition to the fact that he has been proven to be a liar over and over again.
 
Luckyone said:
If your answer is no, then all you are doing is "stirring the pot" because our intelligence community as ascertained that Putin did meddle in our elections and as such, Trump should have called him on that. Instead, he said Putin denied it emphatically and therefore OUR information community must be wrong. '

It is an act of treason to choose Putin's denial over our hard worked-for information from professionals that have no reason to lie. Putin has every reason to lie in addition to the fact that he has been proven to be a liar over and over again.
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No I'm not answering your question. It's loaded.
 
CLAX1911 said:
No I'm not answering your question. It's loaded.
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My question is loaded? You betcha it is because when you ask for something that cannot be produced in a physical way (show me proof) then you are the one that is loading the question yourself. It means you are lying when you say "no" to my question. You either believe Putin or you believe our information community as neither can PROVE their point to you. Why don't you ask Putin to prove he did not do it?

You have to choose one or the other as being the most probable. As such, you are "stirring the pot" without a basis to do it.
 
Sabre said:
As they say, been there, done that. A bit too old to do what I did then, but if it came to defense at home, you bet I would give it all I had.
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I still like your avatar...
 
Luckyone said:
My question is loaded? You betcha it is because when you ask for something that cannot be produced in a physical way (show me proof) then you are the one that is loading the question yourself. It means you are lying when you say "no" to my question. You either believe Putin or you believe our information community as neither can PROVE their point to you. Why don't you ask Putin to prove he did not do it?

You have to choose one or the other as being the most probable. As such, you are "stirring the pot" without a basis to do it.
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She loaded questions are a trap they're dishonest it is a logical fallacy I'm not playing that game
 
CLAX1911 said:
She loaded questions are a trap they're dishonest it is a logical fallacy I'm not playing that game
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You are not playing the game because you have no answer. The question is valid. Do you believe our intelligence community or do you believe Putin. It is as simple as that?

The problem why you find it loaded is because if you answer "Putin" then you are a traitor and if you answer "our intelligence community" then you are saying that your Idol is lying and a traitor and that goes against what you believe. The only reason the question is loaded is because of your own misguided love for Trump that you are not willing to admit that is misguided.

I can see your predicament. Either way, you lose.
 
Luckyone said:
You are not playing the game because you have no answer. The question is valid. Do you believe our intelligence community or do you believe Putin. It is as simple as that?

The problem why you find it loaded is because if you answer "Putin" then you are a traitor and if you answer "our intelligence community" then you are saying that your Idol is lying and a traitor and that goes against what you believe. The only reason the question is loaded is because of your own misguided love for Trump that you are not willing to admit that is misguided.

I can see your predicament. Either way, you lose.
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I am not going to answer loaded questions you admitted that it was loaded.

Malik questions are a trap and I'm not falling for it.
 
CLAX1911 said:
I am not going to answer loaded questions you admitted that it was loaded.

Malik questions are a trap and I'm not falling for it.
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The bottom line is that you are not true to yourself. You either throw your idol under the bus or America under the bus.

Like I said, the ONLY reason why its loaded is because it forces you to decide which one is more important to you. Think about it. I didn't load the question, the situation
and Trump's decision to back up Putin loaded the question.

It really is easy. America on one hand, Trump on the other.
 
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Luckyone said:
The bottom line is that you are not true to yourself. You either throw your idol under the bus or America under the bus.

Like I said, the ONLY reason why its loaded is because it forces you to decide which one is more important to you. Think about it. I didn't load the question, the situation
and Trump's decision to back up Putin loaded the question.

It really is easy. America on one hand, Trump on the other.
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I reject your false cause. Answering your question would mean I accept it.

So not answering is staying true to myself.
 
Luckyone said:
The bottom line is that you are not true to yourself. You either throw your idol under the bus or America under the bus.

Like I said, the ONLY reason why its loaded is because it forces you to decide which one is more important to you. Think about it. I didn't load the question, the situation
and Trump's decision to back up Putin loaded the question.

It really is easy. America on one hand, Trump on the other.
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You are asking what the poster believes. You are not asking for a definitive statement of fact about Putin or the US Intelligence Community. As such the poster's unwillingness to answer is a dodge. If the poster does not want to share his belief with you he can just say so. The end. Th poster appears unwilling to go there for whatever reason.

that said I think you are both likely in error calling it a loaded question. Loaded how? The alternatives are not evasive in any way. They are straightforward. Putin unequivocally says Russia had nothing to do with it. US Intelligence unequivocally says they did. Trump adds some ambiguity in tossing this comment about "others" into it. But you have not asked the poster to comment on Trump's position. You have just asked about the position of US Intelligence vs the position of Vladimir Putin for which there is no ambiguity in either case.

The point is, its not a loaded question though you both appear to think it is. Pardon me for interfering but I just could not accept the view that this is a loaded question. If I can make one recommendation, reframe the question you want the poster to answer if you want to continue as you have now boxed yourself into this issue of a loaded question. Though again, you are both in error in that regard unless there is some post in the string that I have missed.
 
SoCal said:
Well maybe not for you and other Trumpetts, but your inability to find a link to a quote of him criticizing the behavior of Putin, Kim Jong-un or some other major dictator or non-white nation, besides one of our allies, speaks volumes to everyone else...
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You assume a lot dont ya......I never looked for one.....I am not a research assistant, I look for the things I want to look for, you take care of you.
 
jnug said:
You are asking what the poster believes. You are not asking for a definitive statement of fact about Putin or the US Intelligence Community. As such the poster's unwillingness to answer is a dodge. If the poster does not want to share his belief with you he can just say so. The end. Th poster appears unwilling to go there for whatever reason.

that said I think you are both likely in error calling it a loaded question. Loaded how? The alternatives are not evasive in any way. They are straightforward. Putin unequivocally says Russia had nothing to do with it. US Intelligence unequivocally says they did. Trump adds some ambiguity in tossing this comment about "others" into it. But you have not asked the poster to comment on Trump's position. You have just asked about the position of US Intelligence vs the position of Vladimir Putin for which there is no ambiguity in either case.

The point is, its not a loaded question though you both appear to think it is. Pardon me for interfering but I just could not accept the view that this is a loaded question. If I can make one recommendation, reframe the question you want the poster to answer if you want to continue as you have now boxed yourself into this issue of a loaded question. Though again, you are both in error in that regard unless there is some post in the string that I have missed.
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I somewhat agree with your assessment. Nonetheless, the bottom line is that we all know that what Trump did yesterday was wrong and likely treasonous and Trump supporters are going to find themselves between a rock and a hard place with no clear answer. They either believe that Trump is trying to make America great or trying to make Russia great and they are not going to be able to answer that question without throwing their innate beliefs in Trump away. It is that simple and certainly proven by the non-answer that Clax gave. The question does not have to be re-phrased. After Trump said he believes Putin's assertion that he did nothing, you either believe Putin or Believe our intelligence community. It is a very simple question but loaded for Trumpians.
 
CLAX1911 said:
I reject your false cause. Answering your question would mean I accept it.

So not answering is staying true to myself.
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Okay Clax, I will ask you the question in a non-loaded way. What do you believe was the reason that Trump yesterday defended Putin and threw our intelligence community under a bus? How do you see that?
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
You assume a lot dont ya......I never looked for one.....I am not a research assistant, I look for the things I want to look for, you take care of you.
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I understand, you'd be looking for a very long time. It seems you know a wild goose chase when you see one...

CLAX1911 said:
Not sure.
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Nothing like getting to the bottom of things for a satisfying answer...
 
SoCal said:
I understand, you'd be looking for a very long time. It seems you know a wild goose chase when you see one...



Nothing like getting to the bottom of things for a satisfying answer...
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I'm sorry but I'm not privy to FBI information.

You can't rush Justice if something's wrong the investigations will flush it out that's the way it works.
 
Luckyone said:
Okay Clax, I will ask you the question in a non-loaded way. What do you believe was the reason that Trump yesterday defended Putin and threw our intelligence community under a bus? How do you see that?
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For one thing, Trump's on record saying the US intelligence services are like Nazi Germany.
 
CLAX1911 said:
I'm sorry but I'm not privy to FBI information.
You can't rush Justice if something's wrong the investigations will flush it out that's the way it works.
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This is a political argument and a legal one. Legally Mueller will do what he needs to do.
You're being asked based on the enormous amount of evidence in the public record...Trumps consistent and inexplicable love affair with Putin...but more, his unwillingness to condemn them, at all...coupled with the fact that he's under criminal investigation for you know...his campaign being involved with Russia in meddling in our election (!)...and all the Trump Tower meeting, all the Russian contacts, Stone and Manafort, WikiLeaks WikiLeaks WikiLeaks, etc. The list is a mile long, it exceeds the character limit.

To say you have "no idea" given all of that, would be absurd. You are not a jury, you are not the court, you are not hearing a criminal case...you are hearing a political one. You, the voter, can overthrow any of the bodies in office with enough protest...you can make a choice, and you can you know, tell us. Hedge it, give us percentages.

why did Trump say the things he said in Helsinki, in the context of all that's going on? We have another entire branch of government, waiting for Republicans to direct them to be investigate, question, etc., Trump.
 
It is clearly evident that:

1) Trump likes and respects Putin
2) Trump enjoys and feels more comfortable talking to dictators than representatives of Democracy
3) Trump does not listen to the people around him that are there to supposedly help him make the right decisions. For example, Bolton has always been a strong Russian hawk and can't be in agreement to what happened in Helsinki. He also gets scripts to follow but doesn't.
4) Trump repeatedly corrects himself. Either meaning that he does not prepare and makes errors consistently or is forced to change his comments by the response to them he gets that hurts his "popularity". Neither is a positive.
5) Trump's picks for important positions shows the worst record ever. Never before has there been so many people in positions of power fired or quitting.
6) Trump reacts to small disses as strongly as he reacts to big criticisms. He has little ability to put the petty aside and key on the important things.

I probably could find more things to put on this list but these 6 things are facts and not opinions.

What end result do you think these traits will bring about in the future?
 
If Trump and his supporters are such an urgent threat to our country, why are liberals just sitting around talking about it?


You would think liberals would grow a spine and show us just how serious they are about taking their great country back.



Unless of course they are just full of s*** which seems more likely.
 
dobieg said:
If Trump and his supporters are such an urgent threat to our country, why are liberals just sitting around talking about it?


You would think liberals would grow a spine and show us just how serious they are about taking their great country back.



Unless of course they are just full of s*** which seems more likely.
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As long as the Republicans are in charge of the House and the Senate and do not themselves start "growing a spine" then Trump will remain a big threat to our country. They are the only ones that "can do" something about it. The majority wins and the Republicans have the majority. Unfortunately for all of us, the lack of a spine from Republicans to do what "needs to be done" is a sad reminder of how principles, honor, humanity, and bravery has gone away from our society. It is now all about "me, me, me" and not about us, us, us. We do need to begin to change that in November as much more of this will be the death of us. If you want to have the Presidency of the United States continue to be on the shoulders of an impetuous and spoiled 3-year old child that has more hate than love in his heart and no ability to think coherently, then there is no solution until the numbers change.

Please vote in November and hope that the Russians have not continued to get more successful in their hacking and that the votes count.

By the way, there was a graph that was shown this morning that Trump is in an uptrend as far as his lies and mis-truths are concerned. Early in his Presidency he was telling an average of about 8 lies and mis-truths a day and now he is up to over 40 per day. This is a strong sign that he feels Mueller's noose tightening around him. A country cannot be on firm ground when that ground is all lies and mis-truths.
 
So many people at the higher ends of intelligence loved my press conference performance in Helsinki. Putin and I discussed many important subjects at our earlier meeting. We got along well which truly bothered many haters who wanted to see a boxing match. Big results will come!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 18, 2018
 
I'm not seeing the problem or are you saying we shouldn't have made Russia an ally in order to defeat The Nazi's? Or are you saying that the Nazi's were ok?

"Fly-over" country voted and they got the tax reduction they deserved...
 
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