We have a plan to end gun violence.

[lwf]

We don't.

That's an opinion.

 

[RF667799]

Firearm are the weapon most used for homicide in the US and feature prominently in domestic violence:


https://efsgv.org/learn/type-of-gun-violence/domestic-violence-and-firearms/

“Domestic violence, including intimate partner violence, is a public health crisis in the U.S. Nearly one in four women and one in seven men will experience severe physical violence at the hands of their intimate partner in their lifetime. Fortunately, most victims of domestic violence survive. But far too many do not. Firearms contribute significantly to domestic violence in the U.S. — to threaten, to coerce, to control, and to kill. Around 4.5 million women in the United States have been threatened with a gun, and nearly 1 million women have been shot or shot at by an intimate partner. “

Do you realize that if all firearms were to magically disappear tomorrow, something else would be the weapon most used for homicide?

 

[lwf]

Firearm are the weapon most used for homicide in the US and feature prominently in domestic violence:


https://efsgv.org/learn/type-of-gun-violence/domestic-violence-and-firearms/

“Domestic violence, including intimate partner violence, is a public health crisis in the U.S. Nearly one in four women and one in seven men will experience severe physical violence at the hands of their intimate partner in their lifetime. Fortunately, most victims of domestic violence survive. But far too many do not. Firearms contribute significantly to domestic violence in the U.S. — to threaten, to coerce, to control, and to kill. Around 4.5 million women in the United States have been threatened with a gun, and nearly 1 million women have been shot or shot at by an intimate partner. “

Shocking and appalling. We all agree people shouldn't hurt each other.

 

[Spock]

firearms are incapable of hurting someone with the rare occurrence of one falling off a shelf and hitting someone in the head I guess?

inanimate objects are like that


think of it like this - every violent act that happened to get that 100,000 number you like to post ... magically go back and replace the gun with another weapon. All 100,000 acts of violence would STILL occur - the guns didn't do anything, the PEOPLE did

the core problem - the people doing the violent things

Typically uninformed gun nuts refuse to accept the data:

Fast Facts: Firearm Violence and Injury Prevention |Violence Prevention|Injury Center|CDC

What is a firearm injury? Learn fast facts of firearm violence from the CDC Injury Center.

www.cdc.gov

Firearm injuries are a serious public health problem. In 2022, there were more than 48,000 firearm-related deaths in the United States according to provisional mortality data – that’s about 132 people dying from a firearm-related injury each day. More than half of firearm-related deaths were suicides and more than 4 out of every 10 were firearm homicides.

 

[RF667799]

We don't.

They are regulated (and used) sensibly enough that accidents are negligible, and most "gun deaths" are people deliberately killing someone (or themselves). But the small number of homicides pale in significance to the tens of millions of people who peacefully use their firearms hundreds of millions of times every year.

 

[lwf]

Typically uninformed gun nuts refuse to accept the data:

Fast Facts: Firearm Violence and Injury Prevention |Violence Prevention|Injury Center|CDC

What is a firearm injury? Learn fast facts of firearm violence from the CDC Injury Center.

www.cdc.gov

Firearm injuries are a serious public health problem. In 2022, there were more than 48,000 firearm-related deaths in the United States according to provisional mortality data – that’s about 132 people dying from a firearm-related injury each day. More than half of firearm-related deaths were suicides and more than 4 out of every 10 were firearm homicides.

There were about 180,000 deaths related to alcohol consumption. Shouldn't you be more concerned about that?

 

[RF667799]

Typically uninformed gun nuts refuse to accept the data:

Fast Facts: Firearm Violence and Injury Prevention |Violence Prevention|Injury Center|CDC

What is a firearm injury? Learn fast facts of firearm violence from the CDC Injury Center.

www.cdc.gov

Firearm injuries are a serious public health problem. In 2022, there were more than 48,000 firearm-related deaths in the United States according to provisional mortality data – that’s about 132 people dying from a firearm-related injury each day. More than half of firearm-related deaths were suicides and more than 4 out of every 10 were firearm homicides.

We accept the data and put it in context. Reciting data over and over doesn't make your argument.

More than half are suicides, eh? Should we make suicide illegal and prosecute those who try but fail in their attempts?

 

[poppopfox]

That's an opinion.

A valid one.

 

[lwf]

A valid one.

It is. Just like the opinion that there are too many firearms regulations is also a valid opinion.

 

[stealthycat]

And your solution to removing violence from the Homo sapiens DNA is?

what % of the USA commits violence like homicide every year - give me your number

 

[Spock]

There were about 180,000 deaths related to alcohol consumption. Shouldn't you be more concerned about that?

You should be concerned with preventable traumatic death and injury.

 

[lwf]

You should be concerned with preventable traumatic death and injury.

So should you, as traumatic death and injury from alcohol consumption is 100% preventable, just like firearm injury and death are.

 

[stealthycat]

Fast Facts: Firearm Violence and Injury Prevention |Violence Prevention|Injury Center|CDC

What is a firearm injury? Learn fast facts of firearm violence from the CDC Injury Center.

www.cdc.gov

Firearm injuries are a serious public health problem. In 2022, there were more than 48,000 firearm-related deaths in the United States according to provisional mortality data – that’s about 132 people dying from a firearm-related injury each day. More than half of firearm-related deaths were suicides and more than 4 out of every 10 were firearm homicides.

none of the above would have happened without violent people and/or suicidal people

the problem is the people

 

[Spock]

The USA is an outlier in firearm risk to children because we have too many firearms and too little regulation of them:


https://www.kff.org/mental-health/i...earm-mortality-in-the-u-s-and-peer-countries/

“The United States has by far the highest rate of child and teen firearm mortality among peer nations. In no other similarly large, wealthy country are firearms in the top four causes of death for children and teens, let alone the number one cause. U.S. states with the most gun laws have lower rates of child and teen firearm deaths than states with few gun laws. But, even states with the lowest child and teen firearm deaths have rates much higher than what peer countries experience…”

 

[RF667799]

The USA is an outlier in firearm risk to children because we have too many firearms and too little regulation of them:


https://www.kff.org/mental-health/i...earm-mortality-in-the-u-s-and-peer-countries/

“The United States has by far the highest rate of child and teen firearm mortality among peer nations. In no other similarly large, wealthy country are firearms in the top four causes of death for children and teens, let alone the number one cause. U.S. states with the most gun laws have lower rates of child and teen firearm deaths than states with few gun laws. But, even states with the lowest child and teen firearm deaths have rates much higher than what peer countries experience…”

Aaannnnddd.....switch goalposts!

 

[poppopfox]

It is. Just like the opinion that there are too many firearms regulations is also a valid opinion.

Except those firearm regulations are not consistent throughout the states. Therein lies the problem. That is a fact.

 

[brianpatrick]

Kind of like the previous MD “May issue” concealed carry permit? YiOu had to have proof of a threat before you could respond to it.

Too bad that we don’t have a Department of Pre-Crime to determine when people can have a gun.

So, your plan is rejected.

Making a one stop shop for criminals. REJECTED

One stop shop for criminals. REJECTED.

If a recreational facility full of guns and gun enthusiasts can’t stop some gun theives it kind of makes my case, no?

Fun factories must get robbed all the time

 

[RF667799]

If a recreational facility full of guns and gun enthusiasts can’t stop some gun theives it kind of makes my case, no?

Fun factories must get robbed all the time

So you're envisioning a 24/7 operation with a lot of security. How far apart will these facilities be situated?

What about the hunting gun storage facilities? How far is a hunter going to drive to get his gun and then return to the facility? What if he's going hunting out of state? What if he's duck hunting in the morning and deer hunting in the afternoon? Is he allowed to take both guns, or is he going to have to make another trip?

I don't think you thought this out much further than, "Let me come up with something really stupid to troll the gun forums.

 

[braindrain]

It keeps Heller 2008 on their lips and minds so that when it comes up later they remember what it is.

If that’s what you have to keep telling yourself to justify your lies then you do you.

 

[braindrain]

The hearing protection act? No idea what that is. If you shoot guns without hearing protection you’re an idiot. If you jackhammer without hearing protection you’re also an idiot.

No having a clue what you are talking about but calling others idiot is rather funny.

 

[braindrain]

IOW, you agree that firearm death and injury can be reduced or eliminated by outlawing firearms. You are learning.

Can you work anyone who has ever claimed differently or is this just another in the long list of dishonest statements you constantly spew onto this site.

 

[Spock]

Can you work anyone who has ever claimed differently or is this just another in the long list of dishonest statements you constantly spew onto this site.

Try to formulate a thoughtful response to generate an interesting discussion.

 

[braindrain]

Try to formulate a thoughtful response to generate an interesting discussion.

So you can’t actually quote anyone saying what you claimed they did.

There is a word for that. It’s called a lie.

 

[Spock]

So you can’t actually quote anyone saying what you claimed they did.

There is a word for that. It’s called a lie.

I have no idea what point you are trying to make.
You intruded into an exchange and you do not seem to have bothered to come up to speed.
Better re-read this thread if you want to make an intelligent contribution.

 

[braindrain]

I have no idea what point you are trying to make.
You intruded into an exchange and you do not seem to have bothered to come up to speed.
Better re-read this thread if you want to make an intelligent contribution.

Playing stupid isn’t any more effective then blatantly lying.
Really seems like you are running out of ideas.


Or you could just quote anyone here saying what you claimed they say. Hmmmm wonder why up can’t seem to do that.