Watchmaker Argument - Discussion

[Dragonfly]

Really, think of anything, it had to have a designer

I hate to do this, as it's been done dozens of times already in this thread, and I'm not sure you're going to reply with anything of substance given your track record so far, but...

"Really, think of anything, it had to have a designer"

God.

Now, who/what designed "god"?

 

[bluesmoke]

Science does not claim some cause apart from God must have been responsible for the origin of the universe, just that no evidence of such a cause exists.

As usual, I can't make sense of what you say. The best scientific explanation for the creation of the universe, so far, is the Big Bang theory. Stay tuned for update. Still, I'm not totally clear on what you say.

 

[TypicalRussian]

I hate to do this, as it's been done dozens of times already in this thread, and I'm not sure you're going to reply with anything of substance given your track record so far, but...

"Really, think of anything, it had to have a designer"

God.

Now, who/what designed "god"?

I made a thread explaining that, everything you talked about having a cause was in an observable universe

 

[TypicalRussian]

OK, who designed an earthquake, a hurricane, a tornado or a thunder/hail storm? Somehow, the resulting damage is attributed to an "act of God".

faults desinged an earthquake, :doh

 

[ArtemisBarca]

Archaeology has proven the accuracy of the Biblical record, in spite of ignorant claims to the contrary.

BWAHAHA


It is just the vast Illuminati conspiracy to turn the frogs gay that are covering it up, huh???

BWAHAHAHAHA


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[TypicalRussian]

Does each and every snowflake have a designer?

I suggest picking up a book on natural selection. You'd be amazed at what you'll learn.

Yes, it is the rain via water cycle

I suggest getting a 5th grade science textbook

 

[calamity]

As usual, I can't make sense of what you say. The best scientific explanation for the creation of the universe, so far, is the Big Bang theory. Stay tuned for update. Still, I'm not totally clear on what you say.

And, quite an effective theory it is

 

[marke]

I don't focus on God. I focus on picking apart the stupid arguments people make saying that goddidit. And, when you think about it, nothing is as stupid as claiming everything came about because some magic man in the sky made it.

OK, I again get it. You cannot explain how matter suddenly appeared in the heavens from nowhere so you attack people who believe God created the universe. I just wish you would try to figure out how such a miraculous sudden emergence of trillions of massive heavenly bodies could have suddenly appeared from nowhere without some sort of involvement of a power not yet detected by humans.

 

[Dragonfly]

I made a thread explaining that, everything you talked about having a cause was in an observable universe

I'm not gonna read your thread.

There should be a simple answer you can supply.

What or who or how was god designed?

 

[calamity]

Yes, it is the rain via water cycle

I suggest getting a 5th grade science textbook

Are you arguing that rain via the water cycle was "designed"?

 

[Logician Man]

Archaeology has proven the accuracy of the Biblical record, in spite of ignorant claims to the contrary.

:lamo

 

[marke]

The problem is marke, that people who are gullible enough to believe a storybook character like Harry Potter or God-Jesus created the Universe are also gullible enough to believe Russia didn't interfere in the 2016 American election.

That's really bad for America, surely you can see that?

Incessant democrat conspiracy theories about Russia have nothing to do with bad theories about how trillions of heavenly bodies suddenly just appeared out of nowhere without a cause.

 

[TypicalRussian]

Are you arguing that rain via the water cycle was "designed"?

snow is literally just rain but frozen:doh

 

[TypicalRussian]

I'm not gonna read your thread.

There should be a simple answer you can supply.

What or who or how was god designed?

An all-powerful being is not content to rules of observable things and contingent beings

 

[calamity]

OK, I again get it. You cannot explain how matter suddenly appeared in the heavens from nowhere so you attack people who believe God created the universe. I just wish you would try to figure out how such a miraculous sudden emergence of trillions of massive heavenly bodies could have suddenly appeared from nowhere without some sort of involvement of a power not yet detected by humans.

I can explain it just fine. BTW: matter did not suddenly appear in the universe.

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[calamity]

An all-powerful being is not content to rules of observable things and contingent beings

In other words, "magic." :roll:

 

[TypicalRussian]

In other words, "magic." :roll:

Math is magic now

 

[marke]

The universe doesn't owe you an explanation. Your two initial assumptions are there must be an explanation and that must be god, neither of which you can support. Further you use the watchmaker fallacy only when it suits you then abandon it when it comes to god.

You are not quite right. I don't need an explanation and neither science nor the universe owes me one. I never suggested any of that. I don't believe in God because I felt I needed an answer to the questions about origins. I believe God created all things just like he said in spite of questions about earthly mysteries. Realization of God is not a fall back position. Knowledge of God comes first and then knowledge of His creation comes from that, not as a last resort answer to some strained effort to find a logical solution to questions about the origin of the universe.

 

[marke]

If we're going to believe storybook characters like God-Jesus actually exist, I prefer to put my trust in the existence of Harry Potter. He hasn't committed genocide on multiple occasions like the maniac in the bible.

Some people believe God created the universe. Some people are content to not know how the universe originated. Some people think a fuzzy notion of some uncaused big bang is the smartest position to hold. If others want to believe in Harry Potter then they should knock themselves out. Harry Potter is no more stupid an explanation than a fuzzy view of an uncaused big bang.

 

[RAMOSS]

Really, think of anything, it had to have a designer

REally? Prove it.

 

[marke]

So because mankind doesn't currently know what started the Big Bang, you think giving storybook characters like Harry Potter and/or God-Jesus credit for creating everything makes sense.

Why?

I didn't come to Jesus looking for answers to the uncaused big bang theory. I came to Jesus to be forgiven of my sins. I learned from the Bible afterward that God created the universe, so I never had a chance to entertain other alternative speculative theories.

 

[marke]

Does each and every snowflake have a designer?

I suggest picking up a book on natural selection. You'd be amazed at what you'll learn.

Natural selection: The undetectable invisible force responsible for bringing disease and death into the world?

 

[marke]

OK, who designed an earthquake, a hurricane, a tornado or a thunder/hail storm? Somehow, the resulting damage is attributed to an "act of God".

Who designed disease, sickness and death, Natural Selection? The Survival of the Fittest? Aliens? Monkeys?

 

[marke]

How do you know the creation of our universe is, or was miraculous?
Have you compared our universe to others?
Do you know of a non-miraculous universe that you can show as the standard?
Maybe ours is just a random, everyday simple universe, and the truly miraculous ones are completely unknown to us at this time.

In fact, how do you know our universe isn't complete trash and something that's just been discarded like and old empty beer can in the back of a pickup truck?
Maybe the black holes are sort of like Universe Roomba or iRobot vacuum cleaners? Just constantly cleaning up the mess? A few trillion years from now the mess will be all gone.

I gather by your questions that you have no answers for some of these troubling questions.

 

[marke]

As usual, I can't make sense of what you say. The best scientific explanation for the creation of the universe, so far, is the Big Bang theory. Stay tuned for update. Still, I'm not totally clear on what you say.

Kindergarten kids know as much as the most educated of scientists about some things related to the big bang theory. For example, what caused the big bang? How did matter somehow suddenly explode into existence in the form of trillions of massive orbs scattered across measureless expanses of space? And where did the atoms making up these massive heavenly spheres come from if they did not exist before the origin of matter?