Warning! There is immediate danger - set aside lots of money now for climate research

[bearpoker]

The problem (as stated in your link) is economic incentive to treat the rain forests as "world park" sites does not exist at the lowest level. Telling extremely poor folks that they should, out of respect for global environmentalism, remain so is not working. The environmentalists are therefore concentrating their efforts on providing those economic incentives by demanding that (the richest in?) rich countries provide welfare benefits (for life?) to the poor who happen to live near areas that they wish to preserve as "world parks".

The catch is that that these poor folks often get nothing since the 'international environmental aid funds' get pocketed by (corrupt?) government officials in the "world park" targeted areas who also get paid (bribed?) by the timber and agricultural interests who, in turn, further exploit the poor in those areas.

It is of course a complex issue requiring a complex series of solutions. That doesn't mean that those things shouldn't be done.

 

[ttwtt78640]

It is of course a complex issue requiring a complex series of solutions. That doesn't mean that those things shouldn't be done.

It means that giving corrupt officials ever more "eco cash" is part of the problem and thus not part of the solution.

 

[bearpoker]

It means that giving corrupt officials ever more "eco cash" is part of the problem and thus not part of the solution.

I don't disagree with that. It'll take smarter people to be able to start fixing this. I just hope they can. I can't subscribe to the do nothing strategy with so much at stake.

 

[jimbo]

Nah just do like you cons always do and send thoughts and prayers. That always fixes any problem and makes you feel like you did something.

At least thoughts and prayers don't cost anything. And they do about as much good as throwing money at a problem.

 

[ttwtt78640]

I don't disagree with that. It'll take smarter people to be able to start fixing this. I just hope they can. I can't subscribe to the do nothing strategy with so much at stake.

It might take *gasp* actually being in Brazil to take meaningful action - sending a check (or demanding that others do so) from afar is simply not going to git-r-done.

 

[Sampson Simpson]

More right wing projection. Trying to claim climate change people are in it for the profit, ignoring all the business burning rain forests, polluting the planet, solely for profit. Opening up national parks for companies to exploit, like the right wing asshole in Brazil who opens up the rain forest for profit.

But after all, right winger worship greed, so that's not surprising. But spare the BS that climate change is about making money.

 

[bearpoker]

It might take *gasp* actually being in Brazil to take meaningful action - sending a check (or demanding that others do so) from afar is simply not going to git-r-done.

That doesn't make money unnecessary. Nor does it make climate change activists money grubbing con-artists.

 

[ttwtt78640]

That doesn't make money unnecessary. Nor does it make climate change activists money grubbing con-artists.

I never made any of those claims, but a nice try to change the subject.

 

[bearpoker]

I never made any of those claims, but a nice try to change the subject.

Not changing the subject, just referencing the OP.

I don't think giving these fundraisers more money to go on all-expense-paid monthly jaunts to Brazil on fossil fuel burning jets is going to put a stop to the burning. Besides, once they stop the burning in Brazil they will have to plug all the thousands of active volcanoes in the world and get rid of all farting cows just to keep up with the flaming leftist global warming rhetoric that is spreading like wildfire in our modern deluded world.

I actually don't know that you are one of those who deny climate change but that's the side you're defending in this thread.

 

[snakestretcher]

I actually don't know how these fires started and what to do to prevent them. Someone should find out and and take action to prevent future fires. It's not a bad thing to say that this should be investigated and acted upon.

The BBC World Service ran a piece on this last night. It's Amazonian farmers slashing and burning for short term exploitation of shallow, fertile soil, because their idiot president has removed any legal obstacles to prevent them doing so. The fires can get out of control very quickly. Once that land loses productivity it stagnates and is left barren; no trees, no leaf litter, thus no soil produced. Dead. In effect he is actively encouraging the destruction. This is not good, and he has been condemned, globally, for allowing this to happen.

From Forest to Field: How Fire is Transforming the Amazon

 

[ttwtt78640]

Not changing the subject, just referencing the OP.


I actually don't know that you are one of those who deny climate change but that's the side you're defending in this thread.

I simply pointed out the reality of giving environmental aid to corrupt government officials.

 

[bearpoker]

I simply pointed out the reality of giving environmental aid to corrupt government officials.

I understand. Do you think it's a good idea to take steps to protect the rain forest or should the world do nothing?

 

[ttwtt78640]

I understand. Do you think it's a good idea to take steps to protect the rain forest or should the world do nothing?

What "steps" are you advocating that "the world" take? I can't evaluate such a vague "plan of action". The idea that "the world" can demand that parts of sovereign nations must be preserved in their natural state is scary proposition - could that be used by "the world" to force the US to return its Great Plains region to prime bison habitat (remove all fencing and domestic animals)?

 

[snakestretcher]

I simply pointed out the reality of giving environmental aid to corrupt government officials.

The reality is that the Montreal Protocol, the only truly global initiative on climate change, worked, and continues to do so.

 

[bearpoker]

What "steps" are you advocating that "the world" take? I can't evaluate such a vague "plan of action". The idea that "the world" can demand that parts of sovereign nations must be preserved in their natural state is scary proposition - could that be used by "the world" to force the US to return its Great Plains region to prime bison habitat (remove all fencing and domestic animals)?

Sad as the fate of the bison is, I doubt the rest of the world cares. I don't have the expertise to know exactly what to do about climate change, but I think it must be addressed and I have no patience with people like the OP.

 

[snakestretcher]

What "steps" are you advocating that "the world" take? I can't evaluate such a vague "plan of action". The idea that "the world" can demand that parts of sovereign nations must be preserved in their natural state is scary proposition - could that be used by "the world" to force the US to return its Great Plains region to prime bison habitat (remove all fencing and domestic animals)?

The same steps the world, including conservative America, took with the successful Montreal Protocol.

Is the ozone hole causing climate change? – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

 

[ttwtt78640]

The reality is that the Montreal Protocol, the only truly global initiative on climate change, worked, and continues to do so.

OK, then what's the problem?

 

[snakestretcher]

OK, then what's the problem?

With what? Ask the climate change deniers, they're the experts on climate.

 

[ttwtt78640]

With what? Ask the climate change deniers, they're the experts on climate.

These fires are intentionally set - once the ground is burned (nearly) bare then it is no longer wild rain forest and can be put to other (commercially valuable) uses. This has absolutely nothing to do with "denying climate change".

 

[snakestretcher]

These fires are intentionally set - once the ground is burned (nearly) bare then it is no longer wild rain forest and can be put to other (commercially valuable) uses. This has absolutely nothing to do with "denying climate change".

No, it cannot. That soil, once all the scant nutrients have been used up, becomes sterile, because there is no plant life to make it fertile. Furthermore have you any idea of the size of the Amazon rain forest (over 2 million square miles)? The sheer logistics of setting up infrastructure thousands of miles inside a dense forest are impossibly expensive. So, sterile land, let's burn off a few more million acres and make that sterile too. Great strategy.

 

[Doc91478]

Huge fundraising campaigns run by those involved in the global warming business have never been more pronounced than they are today. With more and more modern speculators getting into the global warming business with hopes of reaping huge financial rewards the stakes are higher now that they have ever been in history.

Here is just one sales pitch of thousands:

"The effects of forest destruction in the Amazon don't stay in the Amazon. They affect us all."

Alarm! Fires are destroying the rain forest. What can we do? Send hundreds of thousand fire brigades there to put a stop to it? How about calling in a rain dancing spiritualist? How many fires are we talking about?

""The Amazon rainforest spreads across nine countries and is the largest rainforest in the world, about half the size of the US. It has been burning at a record rate, according to Brazil's National Institute for Space Research, with more than 74,000 fires in Brazil alone this year, nearly double the total for 2018."

I don't think giving these fundraisers more money to go on all-expense-paid monthly jaunts to Brazil on fossil fuel burning jets is going to put a stop to the burning. Besides, once they stop the burning in Brazil they will have to plug all the thousands of active volcanoes in the world and get rid of all farting cows just to keep up with the flaming leftist global warming rhetoric that is spreading like wildfire in our modern deluded world.

How are the raging fires in the Amazon rainforest affecting climate change?

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Hmm...., Obama and Michele seem to differ in their evaluation. They just purchased a home in Martha's Vineyard for $15 million. Why by something that will supposedly be under water in several years according to Climate Change guru's and PMS/DSA Leftist Green Deal enthusiasts. Kinda flies in the face of their ideology. Eh?

 

[marke]

If trying to protect the environment was a good way to make a profit some ****ty capitalist like the Koch Brothers would have already done that. There are a lot of easier ways to make money than this. If you want to know who is lying to you look to the people trying to protect their fortunes from necessary change.

The enemies in Brazil are the farmers, according to global warming lemmings. With global warming devotees, it is never give up their own modern luxuries, but destroy cows, put down farming, do away with cars, bankrupt the economy, and a thousand other dummass efforts to cure the supposedly broken weather.

 

[marke]

I require funding myself for climate research. I'm trying to change just a small part of the earth's climate for the better. Just adding AC to the shop and the stable would be great. The stable has 30 stalls, so that might be a little daunting, but we're all about challenges, right? I'm fighting AGW every way I can. Why, I just put out the tire fire in the back field. Them truck tires burn for, like, ever. I'm committed, and funding would be appreciated. Honest.

Start a tax-exempt foundation and claim it is fighting to stop global warming. Then apply for a government grant to cover expenses. Don't underestimate your costs. Ask for far more money than you think you will possibly need. It also helps to grease the palms of key politicians and government agency heads if you want a really large stipend.

 

[marke]

Nah just do like you cons always do and send thoughts and prayers. That always fixes any problem and makes you feel like you did something.

Dummy global warming cultist: Youse people who try to stop government employees from.greasing the palms of friends and supporters under the guise of attempting to cure the weather are just basketfulls of deplorables.

 

[marke]

You're right. Save your money and just give it to your church, which has never been known to have people reaping financial rewards from anyone.

We don't try to rob the government of needed funds for fake causes.