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Wanting laws that force people to recognize your gender is pure narcissism

joko104 said:
"Criminal words." :roll:

However, you certainly are not the only Democrat I've read who wants to criminal free speech - but selectively.

If a person "in care" was telling everyone that the Hilary Clinton ordered many people murdered and is in collusion with Russians, you claim all caregivers would have to agree with that person to that person - and if not whoever doesn't should be criminally prosecuted, correct?
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I agree. The problem is also that gender isn't equally important to everyone. Some people (even trans) don't care about gender. They may be more attached to other qualities, like their ethnicity or self-perceived intelligence. Should it be a crime not to agree those things too?

Disabled patient: I was born in Texas to American parents, but I always felt more at home when I visited Germany. I'm German.
Carer: Good for you, but technically you're not German.
Disabled patient: UHMERGUD HATE SPEECH!
 
Crusader13 said:
Stop me if this sounds familiar:



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That's the medical definition of narcissistic personality disorder, and it matches the entire transgender movement to a tee.

Expecting laws that forcibly coerce people into recognizing your personal and unique position on the gender spectrum is a blatant form of egotistic self-glorification. Gender doesn't have to make sense; it's something personal that should matter only to you. The saying often goes that "there are over 7 billion genders". I can get on board with that - everyone has their own exact position on the gender scale. Me and my brother are both masculine men, but he's slightly more so than me. I'm proudly a pinch more feminine than he is. Everyone's different. In a way, that's what makes you special. Your gender is what makes you, you.

But forcing your unique, one-of-a-kind emotive state into laws and social policies is a new level of narcissism. Nobody should have to legally recognize your personal image of yourself. Expecting so is a blatant sign that you think your way of thinking and self-discovery deserves to be put on a pedestal for everyone to hear. It doesn't. You're not special (to anyone else other than yourself). None of us are. Your way of doing things is no more or less valid than anyone else's, so stop acting like it.

Bathrooms, medical classifications, changing rooms, and personal detail forms are segregated on biological sex because that's all that matters. Your personal feelings (ie gender) make no difference to the way a doctor diagnoses you, nor does it have any place in public facilities designed to separate people based on their genitalia.
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Crusader13 after having argued with me up and down and round and round about this issues. Do you believe I put my personal feelings above anyone else’s. You have seen me argue for same sex marriage while arguing for your personal right to discriminate. On the bathroom issue I have my own opinion. First the idea that the government should control where I pee is stupid. Second I believe if the have female genitalia you should use the female bathroom and if you have male genitalia you should use the male bathroom. So biological females and MTF transgender that have completed transitioning would use the female bathroom. Biological males and FTM transgenders who have completed transitioning would use the male bathroom.


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The trans-rights movement has been very successful in wrongfully claiming that the words "sex" and "gender" mean the same thing, when they do not. A person's sex is genetic biology. A person's gender is sociological.

Going to the bathroom is not a sociological activity. It is a biological activity. Which restroom a person uses should be based upon a person's biological sex, not their sociological self perception. However, if a person has undergone SRS I would grant an allowance as few people would be offended or feel endangered.
 
ecofarm said:
It's not and no one claims it is. I have no idea how or why you invented this strawman.



Are you deaf? We're talking about professional caregivers and the patients that pay for their care. It's abuse. It's documented, undeniable abuse.

It's horrendous animalistic disgusting garbage to oppose such treatment being added to the list of possible offenses.
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OMG. Your deliberate slur and insult directed at the non-hearing community is documented undeniable abuse. Screaming in loud abusive type "Are you deaf?" would certainly get you arrested for Hate Comment in enlightened jurisdictions. It's horrendous animalistic garbage, that's what.
 
Sweden said:
OMG. Your deliberate slur and insult directed at the non-hearing community is documented undeniable abuse. Screaming in loud abusive type "Are you deaf?" would certainly get you arrested for Hate Comment in enlightened jurisdictions. It's horrendous animalistic garbage, that's what.
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Fine. They're not as bad as short people. Better?
 
Babykat said:
So do you respect anyone’s right or is the only person that deserves rights you.
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I don't respect or recognize anyone's unqualified right to "do what I want". What kind of stupid crap is that?
 
ecofarm said:
I don't respect or recognize anyone's unqualified right to "do what I want". What kind of stupid crap is that?
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This is actually the kind of attitude I would expect from someone from FL.


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Babykat said:
This is actually the kind of attitude I would expect from someone from FL.
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Seek unconditional validation from idiots. You'll find none from me.
 
ecofarm said:
Seek unconditional validation from idiots. You'll find none from me.
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Not seeking any validation. I really don’t care what you think. I just find it funny that most people from Florida think that only person who matters in this world is them. It’s not just you it’s most people from Florida.


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ecofarm said:
Then stop asking.
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I didn’t ask for validation. I asked if you respected the fact that I had the right to decide how I should live instead of you deciding how I should live. Not whither you respected me or my decisions.


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Babykat said:
I didn’t ask for validation. I asked if you respected the fact that I had the right to decide how I should live instead of you deciding how I should live. Not whither you respected me or my decisions.


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No right is absolute, even invented ones.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Calling a person something other than what they wish to be called is not abuse.
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Really..

So.. lets say my son is called a racial term every day by his teacher because he is not white...

This would not constitute abuse in your mind?

Please explain..
 
Babykat said:
I didn’t ask for validation. I asked if you respected the fact that I had the right to decide how I should live instead of you deciding how I should live. Not whither you respected me or my decisions.


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You have the right to decide how you live.. as long as that decision does not negatively impact others...
 
jaeger19 said:
You have the right to decide how you live.. as long as that decision does not negatively impact others...
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That is the base idea we should be able to agree on. You can’t fix a divide without a bridge. This is the bridge that should connect us all. I agree 100% my rights and privileges shouldn’t infringe upon your rights and privileges and vise versa. Some people believe that we all have no common ground. But we all want to live a life of our own making. But to achieve this we have to be willing to let others live their life’s. That means homosexual need to be willing to stand up for Christians and their rights, and Christians need to be willing to stand up for homosexuals and their rights. I truly believe that most people are good or at least they try to be good.


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jaeger19 said:
Really..

So.. lets say my son is called a racial term every day by his teacher because he is not white...

This would not constitute abuse in your mind?

Please explain..
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This is where balance is important. Your totally right that teacher is abusing your son. But when it comes to pronouns it’s not that simple. There has to be a same level of tolerance. If someone who doesn’t know my preferred pronouns mistakenly calls me something else I shouldn’t over react and I should enlighten them and forgive them. But we also need to understand changing someone else’s view of us takes time. When my nephew came out even though I understand the importance pronouns I still called him my niece and other pet names I had used since his birth. So although a person has a right to choice what people call them. If a person makes mistake but they are trying it should be forgiven. If they aren’t trying or the are doing it on purpose that is clearly abuse and shouldn’t be tolerated.


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Babykat said:
This is where balance is important. Your totally right that teacher is abusing your son. But when it comes to pronouns it’s not that simple. There has to be a same level of tolerance. If someone who doesn’t know my preferred pronouns mistakenly calls me something else I shouldn’t over react and I should enlighten them and forgive them. But we also need to understand changing someone else’s view of us takes time. When my nephew came out even though I understand the importance pronouns I still called him my niece and other pet names I had used since his birth. So although a person has a right to choice what people call them. If a person makes mistake but they are trying it should be forgiven. If they aren’t trying or the are doing it on purpose that is clearly abuse and shouldn’t be tolerated.


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Sure.. but as ecofarm points out.. the law in question from the OP.. is when caregivers are caring for disabled people that are transgender etc.. and there is malicious abuse in they way the caregiver refers to the patient.
 
jaeger19 said:
Sure.. but as ecofarm points out.. the law in question from the OP.. is when caregivers are caring for disabled people that are transgender etc.. and there is malicious abuse in they way the caregiver refers to the patient.
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If they are doing it on purpose clearly it’s abuse. If they have been given a proper amount of time to adjust then it’s clearly abuse as while. But if it falls in the adjustment period then it’s not abuse.


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jaeger19 said:
Really..

So.. lets say my son is called a racial term every day by his teacher because he is not white...

This would not constitute abuse in your mind?

Please explain..
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If your son wished to be called the emperor no not calling him emperor would not be abuse.

Calling them derogatory slurs is not the same thing.
 
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