Wanting laws that force people to recognize your gender is pure narcissism

[Crusader13]

Stop me if this sounds familiar:

A disorder in which a person has an inflated sense of self-importance.

OR

the pursuit of gratification from egotistic admiration of one's idealised self image and attributes.

That's the medical definition of narcissistic personality disorder, and it matches the entire transgender movement to a tee.

Expecting laws that forcibly coerce people into recognizing your personal and unique position on the gender spectrum is a blatant form of egotistic self-glorification. Gender doesn't have to make sense; it's something personal that should matter only to you. The saying often goes that "there are over 7 billion genders". I can get on board with that - everyone has their own exact position on the gender scale. Me and my brother are both masculine men, but he's slightly more so than me. I'm proudly a pinch more feminine than he is. Everyone's different. In a way, that's what makes you special. Your gender is what makes you, you.

But forcing your unique, one-of-a-kind emotive state into laws and social policies is a new level of narcissism. Nobody should have to legally recognize your personal image of yourself. Expecting so is a blatant sign that you think your way of thinking and self-discovery deserves to be put on a pedestal for everyone to hear. It doesn't. You're not special (to anyone else other than yourself). None of us are. Your way of doing things is no more or less valid than anyone else's, so stop acting like it.

Bathrooms, medical classifications, changing rooms, and personal detail forms are segregated on biological sex because that's all that matters. Your personal feelings (ie gender) make no difference to the way a doctor diagnoses you, nor does it have any place in public facilities designed to separate people based on their genitalia.

 

[Lursa]

Stop me if this sounds familiar:



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That's the medical definition of narcissistic personality disorder, and it matches the entire transgender movement to a tee.

Expecting laws that forcibly coerce people into recognizing your personal and unique position on the gender spectrum is a blatant form of egotistic self-glorification. Gender doesn't have to make sense; it's something personal that should matter only to you. The saying often goes that "there are over 7 billion genders". I can get on board with that - everyone has their own exact position on the gender scale. Me and my brother are both masculine men, but he's slightly more so than me. I'm proudly a pinch more feminine than he is. Everyone's different. In a way, that's what makes you special. Your gender is what makes you, you.

But forcing your unique, one-of-a-kind emotive state into laws and social policies is a new level of narcissism. Nobody should have to legally recognize your personal image of yourself. Expecting so is a blatant sign that you think your way of thinking and self-discovery deserves to be put on a pedestal for everyone to hear. It doesn't. You're not special (to anyone else other than yourself). None of us are. Your way of doing things is no more or less valid than anyone else's, so stop acting like it.

Bathrooms, medical classifications, changing rooms, and personal detail forms are segregated on biological sex because that's all that matters. Your personal feelings (ie gender) make no difference to the way a doctor diagnoses you, nor does it have any place in public facilities designed to separate people based on their genitalia.

So if someone was speaking to you and referring to you as a woman...it wouldnt bother you? Yes or no? And if yes, why?

 

[Crusader13]

So if someone was speaking to you and referring to you as a woman...it wouldnt bother you? Yes or no? And if yes, why?

'Woman' and 'man' are not traditional genders - they're sexes. If someone was calling me a woman they'd be factually incorrect because my chromosomes say so. My preferred pronoun is actually "Tom". That's my name. I'm proud of it and I often tell people to call me that as much as possible.

Either way I wouldn't really give a damn. If I don't meet someone's arbitrary, personal standard on what constitutes a man or a "real Tom" then I'm not going to lose sleep, and I'm definitely not going to kill myself over it (that's a separate mental issue all together). Other people are just as entitled to form a personal opinion about me as I am about myself. As long as those opinions don't start skewing social, medical, or legal standards than I'm cool.

 

[Lursa]

'Woman' and 'man' are not traditional genders - they're sexes. If someone was calling me a woman they'd be factually incorrect because my chromosomes say so. My preferred pronoun is actually "Tom". That's my name. I'm proud of it and I often tell people to call me that as much as possible.

Either way I wouldn't really give a damn. If I don't meet someone's arbitrary, personal standard on what constitutes a man or a "real Tom" then I'm not going to lose sleep, and I'm definitely not going to kill myself over it (that's a separate mental issue all together). Other people are just as entitled to form a personal opinion about me as I am about myself. As long as those opinions don't start skewing social, medical, or legal standards than I'm cool.

So then your answer is, "no, I dont care if people refer to me or speak to me as a woman." OK, I can respect that.

IMO however, wanting people to identify your gender or sex correctly is not narcissistic or unhealthy.

IMO it's also not necessarily malicious or even intentional when some people do so incorrectly.

 

[CannonballB]

Bathrooms, medical classifications, changing rooms, and personal detail forms are segregated on biological sex because that's all that matters. Your personal feelings (ie gender) make no difference to the way a doctor diagnoses you, nor does it have any place in public facilities designed to separate people based on their genitalia.

You've said this before. And you're still wrong.

So then your answer is, "no, I dont care if people refer to me or speak to me as a woman." OK, I can respect that.

IMO however, wanting people to identify your gender or sex correctly is not narcissistic or unhealthy.

IMO it's also not necessarily malicious or even intentional when some people do so incorrectly.

Agreed on all of the above.

 

[ecofarm]

Your personal feelings (ie gender)

Gender is a social construct. It's scientific fact and nothing to do with any individual's feelings.

You're not more feminine than your brother because you feel that you are. You just are. The defining of those qualities as "feminine" is a social construct. You're not more feminine because you have a *****, right? You have no control over that and no one cares how you feel about it.

 

[roughdraft274]

So if someone was speaking to you and referring to you as a woman...it wouldnt bother you? Yes or no? And if yes, why?

Whether it bothers you or not is different from legally requiring someone to. Ill gladly call a transgendered person a man or a woman as they wish. But i dont support a law requiring it. Just as id gladly give a friend a shoulder to cry on or a hug but wouldnt support a law requiring it.

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[ecofarm]

Whether it bothers you or not is different from legally requiring someone to. Ill gladly call a transgendered person a man or a woman as they wish. But i dont support a law requiring it. Just as id gladly give a friend a shoulder to cry on or a hug but wouldnt support a law requiring it.

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The only law requiring it is for caregivers, and exclusively in the case of malicious abuse.

I'll presume you support that law because you're not a monster.

 

[KevinKohler]

So if someone was speaking to you and referring to you as a woman...it wouldnt bother you? Yes or no? And if yes, why?

It wouldn't bother me such that id petition for a law about it, lol.

 

[ecofarm]

It wouldn't bother me such that id petition for a law about it, lol.

If one is not independent, is reliant on a professional caregiver, and that nurse abuses the person by refusing to refer to them in their self identified gender (for the purpose of abusing the person)...

You support the law against that, right?

That's the only such law that exists or has ever been proposed. Let's not pretend to be victims.

 

[noonereal]

Wanting laws that force people to recognize your gender is pure narcissism

I think it's more ****ed up that someone would do a thread about this.

 

[KevinKohler]

If one is not independent, is reliant on a professional caregiver, and that nurse abuses the person by refusing to refer to them in their self identified gender (for the purpose of abusing the person)...

You support the law against that, right?

That's the only such law that exists or has ever been proposed. Let's not pretend to be victims.

That would be a law against abuse.

Simply make a law against abuse, and then list the many forms abuse can take. Update as necessary.

 

[ecofarm]

That would be a law against abuse.

Simply make a law against abuse, and then list the many forms abuse can take. Update as necessary.

So you have no idea what you're talking about. Then let's start at the beginning.

There was no specific law against this specific type of abuse. As such, patients were having trouble finding redress in regard to the care they were paying for. In order to make it clear and expedite such cases, the law was spelled out.

The only way to be against that is to support the abuse of disabled transgender people by those paid to care for them.

The law is not for accidents or forgets. It's exclusively for cases of repeated and undeniable documented abuse.

 

[Lursa]

Whether it bothers you or not is different from legally requiring someone to. Ill gladly call a transgendered person a man or a woman as they wish. But i dont support a law requiring it. Just as id gladly give a friend a shoulder to cry on or a hug but wouldnt support a law requiring it.

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that post was just my opener. I did not expand further intentionally.

And with the OP's response, it wasnt necessary for further discussion.

 

[Crusader13]

Gender is a social construct.

You're not more feminine than your brother because you feel that you are. You just are.

The defining of those qualities as "feminine" is a social construct.

Wrong. Many feminine or masculine traits are biologically driven. Working outdoors doing heavy lifting is isn't seen as masculine because of social constructs. It's masculine because men were built stronger and more sturdy. Facial hair isn't masculine because of social constructs. It's masculine because it signifies a higher level of testosterone (and thus suitability for mating).

Breasts aren't feminine because of a social construct. They're feminine because females developed them throughout history by pushing their chest forward to attract mates. Being more empathetic isn't feminine because of a social construct. It's feminine because women are psychologically geared to connect better with people and provide emotional support to children while the men either died or were out hunting. You could probably find a historical or evolutionary origin of every so-called social construct of gender, so they're not really social constructs at all.

You've said this before. And you're still wrong.

HAHA telling a doctor who's trying to diagnose your abdominal pain that you identify as Androgynes or non-binary (both from the list of recently recognized genders) doesn't make a damn difference. In fact, there's almost no medical condition which can be more accurately diagnosed or treated by telling the doctor your self-identified gender.

It's the same way bathrooms. They're segregated into male and female purely because of genitalia, which influences the way males and females act and even do their business. Your self-identified gender makes no difference to either so there's no reason for a bathroom to accommodate it. If you've got a penis you simply use the penis-designated bathrooms and if you have a vagina use the vagina-designated bathrooms. Can't believe this even has to be explained to adults.

 

[Xelor]

Wanting laws that force people to recognize your gender is pure narcissism

Off-Topic:
I had rather there be laws requiring people wear demonstrable evidence of their intellectual acuity. Fortunately for Trumpkins, no such laws are likely to appear.

 

[Wayne Jr]

Stop me if this sounds familiar:



OR



That's the medical definition of narcissistic personality disorder, and it matches the entire transgender movement to a tee.

Expecting laws that forcibly coerce people into recognizing your personal and unique position on the gender spectrum is a blatant form of egotistic self-glorification. Gender doesn't have to make sense; it's something personal that should matter only to you. The saying often goes that "there are over 7 billion genders". I can get on board with that - everyone has their own exact position on the gender scale. Me and my brother are both masculine men, but he's slightly more so than me. I'm proudly a pinch more feminine than he is. Everyone's different. In a way, that's what makes you special. Your gender is what makes you, you.

But forcing your unique, one-of-a-kind emotive state into laws and social policies is a new level of narcissism. Nobody should have to legally recognize your personal image of yourself. Expecting so is a blatant sign that you think your way of thinking and self-discovery deserves to be put on a pedestal for everyone to hear. It doesn't. You're not special (to anyone else other than yourself). None of us are. Your way of doing things is no more or less valid than anyone else's, so stop acting like it.

Bathrooms, medical classifications, changing rooms, and personal detail forms are segregated on biological sex because that's all that matters. Your personal feelings (ie gender) make no difference to the way a doctor diagnoses you, nor does it have any place in public facilities designed to separate people based on their genitalia.

It's not like you were ordered to pay them alimony

 

[roughdraft274]

The only law requiring it is for caregivers, and exclusively in the case of malicious abuse.

I'll presume you support that law because you're not a monster.

It's not as bad as requiring it of everyone, but at the same time, I don't see why this can't be handled the same as any scenario where a caregiver is an asshole to their patient. I don't understand why this is different from a caregiver being maliciously rude to their patients on any number of topics.

This might be the only law regarding this topic in the US. But in Canada they have a much broader law. And I see little laws like this as a slow march to eventually getting to that level. In reality I'll never lose a wink of sleep over a law that says "don't be an asshole to your patient" but if it's taken a few steps further I would care very much.

 

[eohrnberger]

Codifying preferred gender pronouns in law is just liberal / progressive fascism.

The rule of law is supposed to be for serious issues, and isn't intended for such trivialities and whims as this.

 

[ecofarm]

It's not as bad as requiring it of everyone, but at the same time, I don't see why this can't be handled the same as any scenario where a caregiver is an asshole to their patient. I don't understand why this is different from a caregiver being maliciously rude to their patients on any number of topics.

It's not different. It's the same. But the law didn't recognize that. So a law needed to be added to protect disabled transgender people. You don't have a problem with that, right?

 

[ecofarm]

Codifying preferred gender pronouns in law is just liberal / progressive fascism.

The rule of law is supposed to be for serious issues, and isn't intended for such trivialities and whims as this.

Why do you support the abuse of disabled transgender people? Is it the disabled or the transgender part you hate more?

 

[ecofarm]

Wrong. Many feminine or masculine traits are biologically driven.

Gender is not biological. It's a social construct. How ignorant and stupid can a claim be.


My PhD specialization is gender. I don't need to hear idiotic crap from the uneducated. What kind of stupid ****ing morons do you peddle that asinine crap to? Who believes your moronic garbage?

 

[eohrnberger]

Why do you support the abuse of disabled transgender people? Is it the disabled or the transgender part you hate more?

Quote me where I stated that I supported the abuse of disabled transgender people.

You speak of abuse.

What is more abusive than enforcing all this excessive politically correct and Social Justice nonsense and stupidity on everyone via the overt force government gun?

 

[roughdraft274]

It's not different. It's the same. But the law didn't recognize that. So a law needed to be added to protect disabled transgender people. You don't have a problem with that, right?

You're skipping over my entire point.

Is there a law against a caretaker calling her disabled patient stupid every day? Why have a law against one and not the other? They both seem like common courtesy and shouldn't be tolerated by a caregiver. But I would think the fix would be to fire that person, not to send them to jail or whatever.

 

[ecofarm]

Quote me where I stated that I supported the abuse of disabled transgender people.

You speak of abuse.

What is more abusive than enforcing all this excessive politically correct and Social Justice nonsense and stupidity on everyone via the overt force government gun?

I see. You have no clue what you're crying about. That makes sense then. See... the ONLY law that exists or HAS EVER BEEN PROPOSED deals with the abuse of disabled transgender people.

So, basically, all your crying and bitching is over nothing. It's a fantasy you've invented to have something to cry about.

Now that you know, you can free yourself of that idiotic hateful crap, live in reality, and accept the law as just. Then, you can go on with your life without this crazy fantasy fear of transgenders becoming the fourth reich.

Boogeyman dispelled. Or not. Maybe you keep weeping like an idiot over something that has not and will never exist.