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[W:98]A Mississippi Man Lost His Nursing Job After He Wore A Violently Racist Shirt To Vote In

Re: A Mississippi Man Lost His Nursing Job After He Wore A Violently Racist Shirt To Vote In The Mid

Given that this man was supporting the murder of black people, didn't his company have a duty to protect black patients from potential harm and also ensure their comfort and safety?
 
The part I bolded says it all. You want the government to do it. Too bad you dont know the difference between Conservatism and authoritarian assholes.

I rest my case, RINO.
Lol at your feeble attempt to trigger me.

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That might be true but it's not at issue here. This is a simple case. Moron wore a racist shirt calling domestic terrorism against blacks "Justice" and got fired from a hospital in a heavily black city, which is only relevant because it's completely obvious that a hospital in that market, with a black CEO, having a stupid racist on staff would be terrible for their image, reputation, and business.
I guess I'm suppose to believe that if the roles were reversed and it was a black guy who wore something a white ceo found offensive while out in public and he fired him for it, your position would be identical. Sorry but I am not buying it. You need more than that to fire someone.

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Lol at your feeble attempt to trigger me.

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Call it what you want, but those were your own words I was referencing. You, yourself, stated that you wanted the government involved. I didn't say that. YOU did.
 
It's a little bit amazing what you're arguing. The government through the 1A protects our right to speak free of government interference, punishment. And with some narrow exceptions that includes all speech. Certainly racist speech is protected, as is anti-religious speech, religious speech, anti-racist speech, etc.

What "protecting speech" doesn't do and shouldn't do is protect Americans from any negative consequences arising from our protected speech. People are free to be neo-Nazis, proclaim their admiration for Hitler, but they're not entitled to engage in that speech AND hold a job in a Jewish hospital, or anywhere else that finds such views obscene.

It doesn't just work that way with racist dirtbags. A pro-life organization has no obligation to keep on staff someone who works a second job for an abortion clinic. NRA has no obligation to keep on staff someone who in their free time pushes for gun bans.
I completely agree that the government should stay out of it. To be clear I'm not defending his opinion either. My criticism is the hypocrisy of the left when it comes to this stuff.

You don't tell a gay person to go find a different baker to buy your cake from instead of the bigot they are demanding to purchase one from. Instead you demand the government put a law in place to coerce the baker into serving him or go to jail and face excessive fines. Time and time again the same authoritarian attitude is taken by the left until it's used to protect a view they don't like. Then you guys want to do a 180 and start defending a business's right to discriminate.

I purposely suggested pulling public funding because that is exactly what they do already. They dictate diversity quotas, hiring and firing practices, and qualifications/standards in order to qualify for funding. Funny how wrong it looks when that practice is applied to things as distasteful as the guy in the article.

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I guess I'm suppose to believe that if the roles were reversed and it was a black guy who wore something a white ceo found offensive while out in public and he fired him for it, your position would be identical. Sorry but I am not buying it. You need more than that to fire someone.

First of all, "offensive" or potentially "offensive" covers a wide gamut. How is this hypothetical shirt offensive, and who does it offend? That matters! Here, the nurse's shirt appears to celebrate lynchings in the South during the Jim Crow era as "Mississippi Justice" and he wore that shirt to the polls, which is of course a primary location of intimidation and killings - those who fought for the right of blacks vote were literally murdered, blacks who tried to vote were lynched. It's offensive to blacks and others who recognize that era and the domestic terrorism committed against blacks as a dark time in our history that many people died making right.

But on these terms, hypothetical!, if this hypothetical person wore a shirt, "Black Justice" with an image of a cop getting gunned down, I'm very confident I'd support his firing.

But the problem is you're using my hypothetical reaction to an unknown event as an argument, which is to label me a hypocrite based on unknown facts, and I can't really address that.
 
I guess I'm suppose to believe that if the roles were reversed and it was a black guy who wore something a white ceo found offensive while out in public and he fired him for it, your position would be identical. Sorry but I am not buying it. You need more than that to fire someone.

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It's not even about offence. The care home had a duty to protect black patients from a man who publicly supports the murder of black people. How can a patient be made comfortable if they know one of the staff members would like to see them dead?
 
I completely agree that the government should stay out of it. To be clear I'm not defending his opinion either. My criticism is the hypocrisy of the left when it comes to this stuff.

You don't tell a gay person to go find a different baker to buy your cake from instead of the bigot they are demanding to purchase one from. Instead you demand the government put a law in place to coerce the baker into serving him or go to jail and face excessive fines.

These things are fundamentally different IMO:

1) Blacks and fags not served here, and if blacks want to vote, fine, under the banner of "Mississippi Justice" we will beat/torture/murder/lynch them and those who try to help them obtain the civil rights protected by our constitution.

2) If you're open to the public, SERVE EVERYONE ON EQUAL TERMS WITHOUT REGARD TO RACE, RELIGION, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, etc.

And it's significant that the Civil Rights Act wasn't enacted out of the blue but in response to a CENTURIES' long, state sponsored and approved campaign to keep blacks in the South permanently disenfranchised and second class citizens. The law intends to reduce and eliminate a wrong. You're calling me a hypocrite for supporting a law that rights a wrong, but opposing someone and an ideology that celebrates the most violent methods used to sustain and perpetuate the wrong. It's nonsense.

Time and time again the same authoritarian attitude is taken by the left until it's used to protect a view they don't like. Then you guys want to do a 180 and start defending a business's right to discriminate.

I purposely suggested pulling public funding because that is exactly what they do already. They dictate diversity quotas, hiring and firing practices, and qualifications/standards in order to qualify for funding. Funny how wrong it looks when that practice is applied to things as distasteful as the guy in the article.

I guess more than anything I really don't see this as an EITHER/OR issue. I support the civil rights act because in general I don't believe a society such as existed in the South in 1960 that routinely excludes blacks from day to day commerce, entire categories of jobs, schools, restaurants etc. in a deliberate campaign enforced by the state to perpetuate white supremacy is in any way "just" or protects the ACTUAL civil rights of disfavored minorities.

There are all kinds of legitimate arguments on the edges of that issue, and cakes for a gay wedding is one of them. If being gay/black/Jewish/Muslim means you cannot hold a job, that's far less legitimate.
 
True but the government could also pull it's public funding like it does to other institutions when it finds their behavior unacceptable.

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Why? Is not the nursing home owner allowed to express his 1A right to send the message that they are NOT racist?

And what about his right to free association? Esp. an association that can prove harmful to his business if minorities are afraid to go there?
 
Re: A Mississippi Man Lost His Nursing Job After He Wore A Violently Racist Shirt To Vote In The Mid

Given that this man was supporting the murder of black people, didn't his company have a duty to protect black patients from potential harm and also ensure their comfort and safety?

That's similar to what I wrote earlier in the thread.

Not to mention the liability if he harms or kills, thru intent or negligence, minority patients.

His own personal message clearly states how he feels about blacks...an employer may even be seen as liable for assuming he'd control his personal feelings at work, if indeed he did harm anyone.

The fact is, that T shirt endorses murder of black people.
 
I purposely suggested pulling public funding because that is exactly what they do already. They dictate diversity quotas, hiring and firing practices, and qualifications/standards in order to qualify for funding. Funny how wrong it looks when that practice is applied to things as distasteful as the guy in the article.

Racists are not a protected class.
 
It's not even about offence. The care home had a duty to protect black patients from a man who publicly supports the murder of black people. How can a patient be made comfortable if they know one of the staff members would like to see them dead?
Is there evidence of him miss treating black people at work. I've been told by the the left that professionals can separate their prejudices from their responsibilities. Does that not apply in this but it does when it's a leftist supported predjuidice?

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Is there evidence of him miss treating black people at work. I've been told by the the left that professionals can separate their prejudices from their responsibilities. Does that not apply in this but it does when it's a leftist supported predjuidice?

Any examples of leftists wearing shirts wishing their clients tortured/killed and liberals protecting them? In other words, the prejudice and how it's expressed does in fact make a difference here.
 
These things are fundamentally different IMO:

1) Blacks and fags not served here, and if blacks want to vote, fine, under the banner of "Mississippi Justice" we will beat/torture/murder/lynch them and those who try to help them obtain the civil rights protected by our constitution.

2) If you're open to the public, SERVE EVERYONE ON EQUAL TERMS WITHOUT REGARD TO RACE, RELIGION, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, etc.

And it's significant that the Civil Rights Act wasn't enacted out of the blue but in response to a CENTURIES' long, state sponsored and approved campaign to keep blacks in the South permanently disenfranchised and second class citizens. The law intends to reduce and eliminate a wrong. You're calling me a hypocrite for supporting a law that rights a wrong, but opposing someone and an ideology that celebrates the most violent methods used to sustain and perpetuate the wrong. It's nonsense.

I was not alive during that but from what I know of that Era I can see why the law was created. However in this Era that law has outlived it's usefulness but instead of repealing it. The left wants it expanded to designated special protections to more people.


I guess more than anything I really don't see this as an EITHER/OR issue. I support the civil rights act because in general I don't believe a society such as existed in the South in 1960 that routinely excludes blacks from day to day commerce, entire categories of jobs, schools, restaurants etc. in a deliberate campaign enforced by the state to perpetuate white supremacy is in any way "just" or protects the ACTUAL civil rights of disfavored minorities.
Yesterday is not today. Your arguing the past. The law is antiquated.



There are all kinds of legitimate arguments on the edges of that issue, and cakes for a gay wedding is one of them. If being gay/black/Jewish/Muslim means you cannot hold a job, that's far less legitimate.

It's illegal to fire someone for those things. By allowing a company to fire someone for wearing something outside of work that they find offensive is opening up a can of worms. Maybe your employer sees a picture of you at a political rally that he does not support. According to your position that's grounds for dismissal

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Why? Is not the nursing home owner allowed to express his 1A right to send the message that they are NOT racist?

And what about his right to free association? Esp. an association that can prove harmful to his business if minorities are afraid to go there?
I'm fine with all of that if we start allowing everyone that same freedom. Get rid of protected classes and let the chips fall where they may.

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Any examples of leftists wearing shirts wishing their clients tortured/killed and liberals protecting them? In other words, the prejudice and how it's expressed does in fact make a difference here.
I'm sure I could dig up shirts if I looked. I know I have certainly heard those sentiments expressed and defended by the left toward those they disagree with.

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Re: A Mississippi Man Lost His Nursing Job After He Wore A Violently Racist Shirt To Vote In The Mid

Historically, it would be correct in the very least.

Historically yes. These days....Republicans at this point have more in common with James K Polk than with Lincoln.
 
I was not alive during that but from what I know of that Era I can see why the law was created. However in this Era that law has outlived it's usefulness but instead of repealing it. The left wants it expanded to designated special protections to more people.

The expansion the left advocates is to protect sexual orientation, LGBT. I support that. If you don't agree, fine.

And I don't agree the law has outlived its usefulness. It in many ways just allows disfavored minorities to participate in the economy on equal terms as the majority - get and keep a job, be served at restaurants, clinics, banks, etc. The law in large part made such discrimination disappear, and businesses that tried it today would pay a heavy price, most of the time. But why is it good policy to repeal a law that works? What's the harm in a black person knowing a restaurant won't refuse to seat him, only because he's black? Or that a Muslim knows a realtor cannot redline a nice neighborhood and prevent Muslims from buying houses there?

Yesterday is not today. Your arguing the past. The law is antiquated.

Protecting the rights of disfavored minorities isn't antiquated - that never goes out of style.

It's illegal to fire someone for those things. By allowing a company to fire someone for wearing something outside of work that they find offensive is opening up a can of worms. Maybe your employer sees a picture of you at a political rally that he does not support. According to your position that's grounds for dismissal

Nope. Wearing a shirt that celebrates domestic terrorism, torturing, murdering, blacks as "Justice" is grounds. You're arguing EVERYTHING BUT this case, and that's probably for a good reason. Yes, slippery slope! But the bottom line here is Tennessee in its wisdom made the state an "at will" state, which means an employer can fire you or me or this guy for any reason, good reason, or no reason at all. Firing someone based on race, religion, etc. is protected by the CRA. So could a staunch Republican fire a Democrat because he supported Hillary, or Bernie? Yes! Democrats aren't a protected class by the CRA or law in Tennessee.

What we're arguing is the merits of doing so and it seems obvious to me that these are fundamentally different reasons to fire someone:

1) Employee in a heavily black city, in a hospital headed by a black CEO, with tons of black clients, celebrates a century of Mississippi lynching blacks as "Justice." So he's nodding favorably to centuries long campaign of domestic terrorism against blacks, because they were black.

2) Employee is a democrat.

And given the facts are completely different in every meaningful way, I come to different conclusions!
 
I'm sure I could dig up shirts if I looked. I know I have certainly heard those sentiments expressed and defended by the left toward those they disagree with.

I can't debate _____________________!!!!!
 
Headline: A Mississippi Man Lost His Nursing Job After He Wore A Violently Racist Shirt To Vote In The Midterms

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/craigsilverman/mississippi-racist-shirt-vote-viral-photo

I saw this on election day. Some people had identified him as a poll worker, which wasn't true, but it's a helluva shirt to wear out on election day to cast your vote.

If anyone needs to know why the "Confederate" flag carries its bad reputation, look at the picture below. He might as well be wearing a white robe. Good to see his employer didn't put up with it.

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I get what you're thinking, but don't you have to get rid of this first?

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Mississippi state flag

So isn't he really just wearing a derivative of the state flag with a hangman's noose on it?
 
I get what you're thinking, but don't you have to get rid of this first?

Mississippi state flag

So isn't he really just wearing a derivative of the state flag with a hangman's noose on it?

IMO, the derivative makes a difference. The white supremacists in the South didn't then or now rally around the Mississippi flag, but the Confederate flag - that was their banner of choice to signal their support for Jim Crow and white supremacy as state policy, and it was enforced by lynchings.

So it seems to me to send a very specific and unambiguous message.

Not that a noose on the flag of the state notorious for lynching blacks and their white sympathizers is much better, but this guy decided to celebrate lynchings across the South! Good for him, now he has faced the consequences.
 
Re: A Mississippi Man Lost His Nursing Job After He Wore A Violently Racist Shirt To Vote In The Mid

Yesteryear, they did vote for Democrats in what was known as the Solid South. Today they vote for Republicans. The catalyst in that switch was LBJ signing the Equal Rights Act, followed by Nixon's Southern Strategy. A few hangers on remained Democrat, but 90 percent of them went Republican. So yes, racists supported Democrats at one time. Today they support Republicans. The GOP today is not the Party of Lincoln, as FOX News would like you to believe.

It's amazing how many people on the right don't know this or want to know it.
 
I'm fine with all of that if we start allowing everyone that same freedom. Get rid of protected classes and let the chips fall where they may.

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???? Are you seriously trying to include people like racists in with groups like seniors, physically/mentally challenged, minorities, etc?

Feel free to explain which protected classes are based wholly on personal bias and ignorance? (And no, religion is not based on personal bias)
 
Is there evidence of him miss treating black people at work. I've been told by the the left that professionals can separate their prejudices from their responsibilities. Does that not apply in this but it does when it's a leftist supported predjuidice?

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If someone walked into the nursing home...or even out on the street, in plain clothes and a gun *out in their hand*...would you wait to see if they were going to shoot someone? Or remove yourself from the vicinity? Would you just accept that a message that blatant was not actually going to be exercised?

How about if your black grandma was in that nursing home?
 
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