[W:926]The central evolution problem

[Angel]

Re: The central evolution problem

Yes, it is always evidence that a theory is wrong that sinks it not wishful word games.

Order does not imply design. You have been shown this multiple times. To claim it yet again is dishonest.

Design, in the sense you meant it first time does not imply intelligence but you have dishonestly changed the definition you are using, again.

I will be going to continue to challenge your false declarations. Get better or get used to being shown to be a liar.

Here I would tell you what you can do with your liar baton. But I think you can figure it out for yourself.
Please annoy some other member today with your "simple" (your word) world view.
It's Sunday.
No Dogma Allowed.

 

[Angel]

Re: The central evolution problem

You sure have a nasty little habit of sticking your nose into questions that are not directed at you.

You sure have a silly little habit of forgetting where you are.

 

[Tim the plumber]

Re: The central evolution problem

Here I would tell you what you can do with your liar baton. But I think you can figure it out for yourself.
Please annoy some other member today with your "simple" (your word) world view.
It's Sunday.
No Dogma Allowed.

Yes, I have a simple world view;

If you state something you should be able to justify that statement. Using word games where you shift the definitions of words during the game is dishonest. Claiming stuff you know you are unable to support is lying.

Expecting the rest of the world to back down to your aggressive ranting on a Forum is pathetic.

 

[Angel]

Re: The central evolution problem

Yes, I have a simple world view;

If you state something you should be able to justify that statement. Using word games where you shift the definitions of words during the game is dishonest. Claiming stuff you know you are unable to support is lying.

Expecting the rest of the world to back down to your aggressive ranting on a Forum is pathetic.

The sign reads NO DOGMA ALLOWED

Can Chew Reed?

And keep looking at that "liar" baton in your hand. Its use will suggest itself soon enough, I have no doubt.

 

[Logician Man]

Re: The central evolution problem

You either misunderstand or distort. Either way, you're off the beam. Talking pantheism would be more in keeping with the OP p-o-v. Not the cartoon religion of your post.

Feel free to explain/validate/present credible,verifiable evidence as to why your religion of choice ( Catholicism ) is any more valid than pantheism or any other religious claim on matters of the central evolution problem.

 

[Angel]

Re: The central evolution problem

Feel free to explain/validate/present credible,verifiable evidence as to why your religion of choice ( Catholicism ) is any more valid than pantheism or any other religious claim on matters of the central evolution problem.

For your generous dispensation we salute you. But your "central evolution problem" is a matter of logic, not religion.

 

[RAMOSS]

Re: The central evolution problem

Does not actually say what the problem is.

Does say that there is no evidence. That is utterly false. ID is unsupported by any evidence no matter how much you want it to be.

So what is the problem?

G4N's thing is not the standard 'I.D.', but the woo that everything has an innate intelligence,

 

[Angel]

Re: The central evolution problem

G4N's thing is not the standard 'I.D.', but the woo that everything has an innate intelligence,

"The woo," huh?
It's a matter of logic, Spinoza. Logic. A question of necessary and sufficient conditions.
Doesn't logic figure into Spinoza's Ethics?

 

[zyzygy]

Re: The central evolution problem

G4N's thing is not the standard 'I.D.', but the woo that everything has an innate intelligence,

I have some very smart rocks in my garden.

 

[Angel]

Re: The central evolution problem

I have some very smart rocks in my garden.

And in your head?

 

[Logician Man]

Re: The central evolution problem

For your generous dispensation we salute you. But your "central evolution problem" is a matter of logic, not religion.

That's not what you indicated in post 1224.

 

[Tim the plumber]

Re: The central evolution problem

The sign reads NO DOGMA ALLOWED

Can Chew Reed?

And keep looking at that "liar" baton in your hand. Its use will suggest itself soon enough, I have no doubt.

No dogma used by me.

Your silly word play looks like dogma though.

dogma
/ˈdɒɡmə/
noun
noun: dogma; plural noun: dogmas

a principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true.

Yep, just exactly like your silly word play stuff.

 

[Tim the plumber]

Re: The central evolution problem

G4N's thing is not the standard 'I.D.', but the woo that everything has an innate intelligence,

Given G4N's ability to think straight that would be reasonable conclusion to draw on the principal that you must be doing this thinking stuff just like th eclever people so....

 

[Angel]

Re: The central evolution problem

That's not what you indicated in post 1224.

On the contrary, there is no tension between post #1224, which concerns the accurate way to read the OP, and post #1231, which concerns my thesis in this thread.

 

[Angel]

Re: The central evolution problem

No dogma used by me.

Your silly word play looks like dogma though.

Yep, just exactly like your silly word play stuff.

I hope you don't mind, but I shared this post of yours with my cats. They seemed amused by it.
"Word play" and dogma are discursive universes apart.

 

[Logician Man]

Re: The central evolution problem

On the contrary, there is no tension between post #1224, which concerns the accurate way to read the OP, and post #1231, which concerns my thesis in this thread.

of course there is. try again without the BS.

 

[Angel]

Re: The central evolution problem

On the contrary, there is no tension between post #1224, which concerns the accurate way to read the OP, and post #1231, which concerns my thesis in this thread.

of course there is. try again without the BS.

Of course there isn't.

Here are the two posts in question. Let's hear your account of the tension.

#1224

You either misunderstand or distort. Either way, you're off the beam. Talking pantheism would be more in keeping with the OP p-o-v. Not the cartoon religion of your post.

#1231

For your generous dispensation we salute you. But your "central evolution problem" is a matter of logic, not religion.

 

[Logician Man]

Re: The central evolution problem

Of course there isn't.

Here are the two posts in question. Let's hear your account of the tension.

#1224

#1231

It's self evident...but I don't expect you to own up it...

 

[Angel]

Re: The central evolution problem

It's self evident...but I don't expect you to own up it...

That's your account of the tension between the posts? It's self-evident?
These two posts seem to me self-evidently about two different things.

 

[Tim the plumber]

Re: The central evolution problem

I hope you don't mind, but I shared this post of yours with my cats. They seemed amused by it.
"Word play" and dogma are discursive universes apart.

Only having cats as friends may be the result of not engaging well with reality. You can change this if you wish.

 

[Logician Man]

Re: The central evolution problem

That's your account of the tension between the posts? It's self-evident?
These two posts seem to me self-evidently about two different things.

Like I just stated, I don't expect you to own up to it.....( pride/ face saving thing ) we've all seen a 100 times. not unlike when you stick your nose in posts not directed at you because you seem to think others are incapable of making/defending their own arguments.

 

[Angel]

Re: The central evolution problem

Only having cats as friends may be the result of not engaging well with reality. You can change this if you wish.

So you know what a hasty generalization is, Tim the plumber?

 

[Angel]

Re: The central evolution problem

Like I just stated, I don't expect you to own up to it.....( pride/ face saving thing ) we've all seen a 100 times. not unlike when you stick your nose in posts not directed at you because you seem to think others are incapable of making/defending their own arguments.

So you got nothing? Just your personal animus?

 

[Logician Man]

Re: The central evolution problem

Only having cats as friends may be the result of not engaging well with reality. You can change this if you wish.

:lol:

 

[JacksinPA]

Re: The central evolution problem

Evolution is true because the only constant in life is change. And when there is change, Nature gets to pick & choose the best results.