[W:775]Trump: ‘I think I’d take’ damaging info on 2020 rival from foreign operatives

[iguanaman]

Getting information from a foreign government through a middleman bypasses the law? If so, then the law is absolutely useless.

Who was Hillary beholding to if she won because of the dossier? Russian informants who were betraying their govt.? You make no sense at all. This law is to prevent a President from being compromised by a foreign power like Trump most certainly is. Putin has him by the balls and you could care less. It makes you look like a traitor and a fool.

 

[MTAtech]

He's a foreigner and he got information from a foreign government. Going through middleman changes nothing.
That part is the lie.

Newsflash: A candidate is allowed to buy items produced by foreigners or no campaign could use pencils or phones made in China. Moreover, there is a difference between hiring an investigator, who just happened to be English, and Trump receiving information from the Russian government.

I know your side wants to blur the distinction but it’s preposterous.

 

[apdst]

Newsflash: A candidate is allowed to buy items produced by foreigners or no campaign could use pencils or phones made in China. Moreover, there is a difference between hiring an investigator, who just happened to be English, and Trump receiving information from the Russian government.

I know your side wants to blur the distinction but it’s preposterous.

Oh, so it's ok to purchase information from a foreign government about a political opponent? :lamo

 

[apdst]

Who was Hillary beholding to if she won because of the dossier? Russian informants who were betraying their govt.? You make no sense at all. This law is to prevent a President from being compromised by a foreign power like Trump most certainly is. Putin has him by the balls and you could care less. It makes you look like a traitor and a fool.

Who knows? The information came from the Russian government. To help Clinton. Since the dossier is bull**** though, you may have a point.

 

[hanger4]

That's a pathetic and old lie.

Steele was not an agent. He had been. But was not. So, not an agent. Nothing illegal.

The RNC commissioned the dossier. The company the RNC paid hired Steele.

*The RNC commissioned the dossier. The company the RNC paid hired Steele.*

^^^^ Totally untrue. The Washington Free Beacon hired Fusion for oppo on Trump. When Trump had the votes to win the nomination the WFB severed ties with Fusion. It was then the DNC/Clinton Campaign hired Fusion and Fusion hired Steele.

 

[iguanaman]

Who knows? The information came from the Russian government. To help Clinton. Since the dossier is bull**** though, you may have a point.

Why do you keep saying that falsehood?. There is no indication that anything in the dossier was supplied by the Kremlin. In fact it was denied by them and Putin purged his intelligence services looking for the leakers. Again you sound more like a GRU agent than an American. Is that true?

Recent reports in the Russian press have connected the upheaval at the FSB to Kremlin-sponsored hacking of the US electoral process, and with the now infamous dossier about Donald Trump’s ties with Russian government officials compiled by former British MI6 operative Christopher Steele. It appears that the Kremlin has been conducting an intensive hunt for moles within its security apparatus who might have leaked information about Russian efforts to influence the US presidential election

Putin's Intelligence Crisis | by Amy Knight | NYR Daily | The New York Review of Books

 

[ecofarm]

*The RNC commissioned the dossier. The company the RNC paid hired Steele.*

^^^^ Totally untrue. The Washington Free Beacon hired Fusion for oppo on Trump. When Trump had the votes to win the nomination the WFB severed ties with Fusion. It was then the DNC/Clinton Campaign hired Fusion and Fusion hired Steele.

You're correct. It wasn't the RNC. It was conservatives. Conservatives hired Fusion and Fusion hired Steele (not an agent).

In October 2015, Fusion GPS was contracted by conservative political website The Washington Free Beacon to provide general opposition research on Trump and other Republican presidential candidates.

Trump–Russia dossier - Wikipedia

 

[Athanasius68]

Who was Hillary beholding to if she won because of the dossier? Russian informants who were betraying their govt.? You make no sense at all. This law is to prevent a President from being compromised by a foreign power like Trump most certainly is. Putin has him by the balls and you could care less. It makes you look like a traitor and a fool.

Trump and Russia didn't conspire. Putin has nothing on him.

 

[Athanasius68]

Why do you keep saying that falsehood?. There is no indication that anything in the dossier was supplied by the Kremlin. In fact it was denied by them and Putin purged his intelligence services looking for the leakers. Again you sound more like a GRU agent than an American. Is that true?




Putin's Intelligence Crisis | by Amy Knight | NYR Daily | The New York Review of Books

Putin has denied any sort of interfering in the election-- hacking the DNC ECT.
Do you believe him?

 

[MTAtech]

Oh, so it's ok to purchase information from a foreign government about a political opponent? :lamo

You clearly have a reason not to understand, so you don’t.

 

[Athanasius68]

Newsflash: A candidate is allowed to buy items produced by foreigners or no campaign could use pencils or phones made in China. Moreover, there is a difference between hiring an investigator, who just happened to be English, and Trump receiving information from the Russian government.

I know your side wants to blur the distinction but it’s preposterous.

Trump DIDN'T receive information from Russia.
It's was in the Mueller report.
No conspiracy.

Clinton did receive information from Russia. Some people seem to think that's ok.

 

[Athanasius68]

Newsflash: A candidate is allowed to buy items produced by foreigners or no campaign could use pencils or phones made in China. Moreover, there is a difference between hiring an investigator, who just happened to be English, and Trump receiving information from the Russian government.

I know your side wants to blur the distinction but it’s preposterous.

And, As an aside: a presidential candidate, even the incumbent, is allowed to SELL items to foreigners, without it violating the emoluments clause.

 

[hanger4]

You're correct. It wasn't the RNC. It was conservatives. Conservatives hired Fusion and Fusion hired Steele (not an agent).

Trump–Russia dossier - Wikipedia

I suggest you read your link, the WFB had nothing to do with hiring Steel. From your Wiki link;

*In October 2015, Fusion GPS was contracted by conservative political website The Washington Free Beacon to provide general opposition research on Trump and other Republican presidential candidates. In April 2016, attorneys for Hillary Clinton's campaign and the DNC separately hired Fusion GPS to investigate Trump, while The Free Beacon stopped its backing in May of 2016.[2] In June 2016, Fusion GPS subcontracted Steele's firm to compile the dossier. Clinton campaign officials were reportedly unaware that Fusion GPS had subcontracted Steele, and he was not told that the Clinton campaign was the recipient of his research.*

 

[ecofarm]

I suggest you read your link, the WFB had nothing to do with hiring Steel. From your Wiki link;

I wrote, "Fusion hired Steele".

 

[apdst]

Why do you keep saying that falsehood?. There is no indication that anything in the dossier was supplied by the Kremlin. In fact it was denied by them and Putin purged his intelligence services looking for the leakers. Again you sound more like a GRU agent than an American. Is that true?




Putin's Intelligence Crisis | by Amy Knight | NYR Daily | The New York Review of Books

Everything in the dossier is bull****, anyway.

But, that doesn't change the fact that Steele claims one of his sources was a high ranking member of the government.

How good were these sources? Consider what Steele would write in the memos he filed with Simpson: Source A—to use the careful nomenclature of his dossier—was “a senior Russian Foreign Ministry figure.” Source B was “a former top level intelligence officer still active in the Kremlin.” And both of these insiders, after “speaking to a trusted compatriot,” would claim that the Kremlin had spent years getting its hooks into Donald Trump.

How Ex-Spy Christopher Steele Compiled His Explosive Trump-Russia Doss | Vanity Fair

 

[apdst]

I wrote, "Fusion hired Steele".

After Clinton hired Fusion.

 

[iguanaman]

Putin has denied any sort of interfering in the election-- hacking the DNC ECT.
Do you believe him?

I believe our allied intelligence services and that Putin is purging his Govt. in search of the moles that leaked the info in the dossier. Otherwise I would be working for the Kremlin like you.

 

[apdst]

You clearly have a reason not to understand, so you don’t.

You clearly cannot present an argument that supports your position, so you resort to personal attacks.

 

[truthatallcost]

Link

He is a vast, moral wasteland.

Or, he's the only honest person in American politics, because he's the only one who'll admit to something they'd probably all do? There's 2 ways to read this statement.

 

[ocean515]

Trump DIDN'T receive information from Russia.
It's was in the Mueller report.
No conspiracy.

Clinton did receive information from Russia. Some people seem to think that's ok.

Worse still, this entire dog whistle the left is running with is BS. The President never said he would accept info from foreign operatives.

Transcript:

Stephanopolous:
"Your campaign this time around, if foreigners, if Russia, China, if someone else offers you information on opponents, should they accept it or should they call the FBI?"

President Trump:
"I think maybe you do both. I think you might want to listen. There's nothing wrong with listening, If somebody called from a country – Norway – 'we have information on your opponent.' Oh. I think I'd want to hear it."

 

[iguanaman]

Everything in the dossier is bull****, anyway.

But, that doesn't change the fact that Steele claims one of his sources was a high ranking member of the government.

So it is your contention that our own counter intelligence agents are working for Putin when they receive info from moles within the Kremlin? Do you now how ludicrous that sounds?
BTW That "high ranking member of the Govt." has likely disappeared by now. Putin has been purging his ranks looking for the moles that leaked the dossier. Much of which has now been verfied as fact.

When the memos spilled into public view, Trump and at least five other senior administration officials denied in emphatic and often sweeping terms that anyone involved in the campaign was in contact with Russians. But in the two years since those denials were issued, news reports and court filings revealed that at least 16 Trump associates had contacts with Russians during the campaign or transition.
Steele's memos lay out specific meetings that haven't been corroborated. But his claim that there was regular contact between Trump's campaign and Russians has held up over time. When he wrote his memos in 2016, hardly any of these contacts were publicly known. They have since been revealed in Mueller's court filings, countless news reports and testimony on Capitol Hill.

Revisiting the Trump-Russia dossier: What's right, wrong and still unclear? - CNNPolitics

 

[pamak]

Russia- not Clinton

But I though we were talking about the argument that Clinton also used foreign operatives....

What Russia?

If the Russians thought that Clinton would probably win the election ( nobody can be sure about any election), it does not mean that tit would be a waste of time to help Trump. The fact that they intervened in the elections shows that they did not simply accept fatalistically that Clinton would win.

 

[apdst]

So it is your contention that our own counter intelligence agents are working for Putin when they receive info from moles within the Kremlin? Do you now how ludicrous that sounds?

You're just making **** up, now...lol

 

[hanger4]

I wrote, "Fusion hired Steele".

You said, "Conservatives hired Fusion and Fusion hired Steele". The truth is, Conservatives hired Fusion, Conservatives unhired Fusion, DNC/Clinton Campaign hires Fusion and then Fusion hired Steele.

 

[iguanaman]

You're just making **** up, now...lol

That was your claim. Are you now admitting you were wrong and the info in the dossier did not come from the Kremlin? That instead it came from moles in the Govt. revealing info the Kremlin wanted kept secret?