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[W:69] Pro-Life extremists are taking us back to the dark ages

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year2late said:
Yes. What the hell do you think "comfort care" is?
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When Obama was a state senator he voted against “comfort care.”
 
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Crystal said:
Well maybe if the pro abortion extremists hadn’t decided it’s okay to abort after a life birth.
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Umm.. They did no such thing. 91% of elective abortions occur before 13 weeks. Only medically ordered abortions are performed after 21 weeks.

Women in their twenties accounted for the majority of abortions in 2015 and throughout the period of analysis. The majority of abortions in 2015 took place early in gestation: 91.1% of abortions were performed at ≤13 weeks’ gestation; a smaller number of abortions (7.6%) were performed at 14–20 weeks’ gestation, and even fewer (1.3%) were performed at ≥21 weeks’ gestation. In 2015, 24.6% of all abortions were early medical abortions (a non-surgical abortion at ≤8 weeks’ gestation). The percentage of abortions reported as early medical abortions increased 114% from 2006 to 2015, with an 8% increase from 2014 to 2015. Source: Abortion Surveillance — United States, 2015. MMWR Surveill Summ 2018;67(No. SS-13).
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Abortion | Data and Statistics | Reproductive Health | CDC
 
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gulfman said:
This is where eugenics needs to take place,Abort the lower classes and save the upper classes.All of society will benefit.
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So you want mandatory abortions? What is wrong with choice?
 
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Bucky said:
Prosecuting women for having an abortion and potentially punishing them for 10-20 years in prison is not the solution. That is a barbaric type of law that would have far-reaching consequences. There is nothing wrong with tough abortion laws but the heartbeat law in Georgia is clearly unconstitutional. It is a type of law you would see being enacted in the Middle East. We need to start having a rational discussion instead of becoming more like a police state.
Laws need to reflect our society today, not 100 years ago.
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Cougarbear: I know. Killing human beings should never be punishable. I mean, if you kill a bald eagle, you get 3 years in jail and a huge fine. But, kill a baby, just because it's still in your womb, jail and fining is just plain wrong! Those little babies are not worth the value of a bald eagle! We should hang murderers of bald eagles. I mean, really!!!
 
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Crystal said:
When Obama was a state senator he voted against “comfort care.”
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Huh?

Where do you get all your mis-information.


Do you know what comfort care is?

If a baby is born with overwhelming medical issues - decisions need to be made. Frequently many of the issues are known of well in advance due to genetic testing and ultrasounds.
A doctor can decide to offer comfort care because the benefits of treatment may not only yield poor results, but could possibly even be more akin to torture to get a fraction of time in return. So if this decision is made between a doctor and patient...a baby is kept warm and fed and allowed to be in the arms of his parents.

IS this what you call post birth abortion? That is what Governor Northam was speaking to...

Perinatal Hospice and Palliative Care: Continuing Your Pregnancy
 
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iguanaman said:
Umm.. They did no such thing. 91% of elective abortions occur before 13 weeks. Only medically ordered abortions are performed after 21 weeks.


Abortion | Data and Statistics | Reproductive Health | CDC
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Cougarbear said:
:2rofll:
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Only 1.3 percent of abortions take place past 21 weeks.
As of 2013 there are only 4 doctors who perform abortions past 21 weeks.
80 percent of abortions past 21 weeks are because of catastrophic fetal defects.

From Romper:

In 2013, there were four doctors in the country who performed abortions after the 20th week of pregnancy, according to Slate. (Current numbers could be even lower.)

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Dr. Gunter supplied a few facts of her own. Only 1.3 percent of abortions happen at, or after, 21 weeks, she said, and 80 percent of those are the results of catastrophic defects with the fetus.
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Read more:

Which States Offer Late-Term Abortions? They Are Very Difficult To Access
 
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prometeus said:
Show one instance.

Just pointing out your lies.
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Every time you say I lie, your ass is lying. That was easy.
 
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Bucky said:
Perhaps there is a middle ground that can be reached???
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There is no middle ground when people insist on lying. How do you have middle ground with a liar?
 
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Crystal said:
Why do you lie! Seeing and hearing is believing. There is no refuting.
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All you have to do to refute the claim of lying is to show text of your clip where Northam spoke about wanting to execute a baby after birth.
 
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Praxas said:
And the article I linked to explains it yet you continue to lie as usual. Your comments are just dishonest at this point.
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You continue to lie as usual.
 
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year2late said:
All you have to do to refute the claim of lying is to show text of your clip where Northam spoke about wanting to execute a baby after birth.
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I posted what I posted. It’s right there.
 
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Crystal said:
I posted what I posted. It’s right there.
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If you really believe what you say, you will print the text highlighting where Northam talked about killing babies.

Otherwise, your lies stand.
 
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Crystal said:
You continue to lie as usual.
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You continue to lie as usual. Typical pro lifer that lost. I accept your concession that you have lost.
 
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Moderator's Warning:
Enough of the "You're lying"/"No, you are" stuff and accusations of trolling.
 
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Praxas said:
You continue to lie as usual. Typical pro lifer that lost. I accept your concession that you have lost.
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You are a typical pro abortionist. You fool yourself by trying to say pro choice but it’s really all about the abortion. At any stage.
 
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Crystal said:
You are a typical pro abortionist. You fool yourself by trying to say pro choice but it’s really all about the abortion. At any stage.
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Pro choice is supporting the pregnant woman’s choice whether she wishes to continue her pregnancy or wishes to abort

I am pro choice and I would not support a country or a law that would force a woman to have an abortion even if the fetus were so malformed that if it survived birth it would cost the taxpayers millions of dollars for medical care.

The choice should be up to the pregnant woman.
And if she chooses abortion , the earlier the better but her choice up until viability.
 
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Crystal said:
You are a typical pro abortionist. You fool yourself by trying to say pro choice but it’s really all about the abortion. At any stage.
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Maybe you can answer, since you're so venomous in your accusations.

Do you believe a fetus has rights at conception?

If so, how do you rectify that our legal system is not equipped (nor our medical system) to abridge the gap in rights between fetus and mother?

Example. A mother can choose to go to a church. A fetus if given the rights to freedom of religion, could dissent and not want to go to that church. The state would be infringing on the rights of the fetus in this manner if the mother is allowed to continue going to church.

Example. A mother is incarcerated while pregnant. The fetus did nothing wrong. We cannot illegally jail someone in this country. What do you do?

The latest pro birth legislation basically invents medical procedures that aren't in existence, such as removing a fetus and reimplanting it in the case of ectopic pregnancies, and calls for the outlawing of iud's and other birth control methods to FORCE people to either adhere with the right wing moral standard on no sex without conception, or, no sex at all.

This exertion of moralistic standards is unconstitutional, challenges Griswold v Connecticut, which will have a massive blowback on any sense of privacy rights, and will lead to an evisceration of our individual rights against government intrusion.

You lot literally do not understand the sort of authoritarian government you're enabling.
 
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Obscurity said:
Maybe you can answer, since you're so venomous in your accusations.

Do you believe a fetus has rights at conception?

If so, how do you rectify that our legal system is not equipped (nor our medical system) to abridge the gap in rights between fetus and mother?

Example. A mother can choose to go to a church. A fetus if given the rights to freedom of religion, could dissent and not want to go to that church. The state would be infringing on the rights of the fetus in this manner if the mother is allowed to continue going to church.

Example. A mother is incarcerated while pregnant. The fetus did nothing wrong. We cannot illegally jail someone in this country. What do you do?

The latest pro birth legislation basically invents medical procedures that aren't in existence, such as removing a fetus and reimplanting it in the case of ectopic pregnancies, and calls for the outlawing of iud's and other birth control methods to FORCE people to either adhere with the right wing moral standard on no sex without conception, or, no sex at all.

This exertion of moralistic standards is unconstitutional, challenges Griswold v Connecticut, which will have a massive blowback on any sense of privacy rights, and will lead to an evisceration of our individual rights against government intrusion.

You lot literally do not understand the sort of authoritarian government you're enabling.
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Sure I do. I understood it too when your lot mandated me to buy health insurance and threatened to punish me if I didn’t. Remember that?
 
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prometeus said:
So you can not prove anything and lie instead. What a surprise!
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Seems to me a moderator just asked us to stop with the accusations of lying. You just plan on ignoring him or her?
 
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