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[W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

Completely off-topic and not discussion.

BECAUSE you are the forum BOSS. And It seems you agree with that part.
 
re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

Not if the U.S. Constitution was amended.

Forget about it. That would require repealing the Ninth and Fourteenth Amendments, which were both used in the Roe vs. Wade ruling to confirm abortion is legal.
 
re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

What? There is nothing in my post that suggests pregnancies never result from rapes. My post reflects the rarity of it. We can only get pregnant a few days out of a month. Factor that into the chance of being raped., then add that to the chance of being raped on one of the few days we are ovulating and that makes it very hard. But of course it happens.

That was not your statement...it was something like pregnancy caused under duress is rare.

And 2 of us asked you to source that statement. It's like that moronic comment from some legislator that said women can control if they get pregnant from rape.
 
re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

BECAUSE you are the forum BOSS. And It seems you agree with that part.

Please stop posting about me and stick to the OP topic.

Wow, just wow. Another wall of text that is not relevant to a discussion on solutions to the abortion issue.

Again, what is this disturbing need of yours to continue to post in this thread and no longer post anything related to the actual OP???? Nothing that is discussion or making an argument? This isnt a chat room...it's a discussion forum. As DF said, you have basically ruined her thread.
 
re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

Bodily autonomy is modernist invention, no one has a right to bodily autonomy

There it is, folks. The smoking gun that equates prolife culture with rape culture.

Do you believe rape is wrong?

Obviously you don't. :shrug:
 
re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

So one more time. Is Roe v Wade law? What body of Goverment rules on Roe V Wade?

The CONSTITUTION is the highest law of the land. Roe vs. Wade assured all pregnant girls and women have the CONSTITUTIONAL right to terminate their pregnancies for any reason. Why is that so hard to understand?
 
re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

BECAUSE you are the forum BOSS. And It seems you agree with that part.
Lursa is the DP webmistress? OK then. :lamo
 
re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

The CONSTITUTION is the highest law of the land. Roe vs. Wade assured all pregnant girls and women have the CONSTITUTIONAL right to terminate their pregnancies for any reason. Why is that so hard to understand?

It's odd that some people dont understand that SCOTUS decisions arent laws, but decisions that interpret the Const. and that interpretation is what laws are then based on.
 
re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

There it is, folks. The smoking gun that equates prolife culture with rape culture.



Obviously you don't. :shrug:

Lol. Chalk up another person who apparently doesn’t understand written English. Sad!
 
re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

That’s not true. Abortion was a criminal offense in most states from the beginning of the country’s history.

I have not relied on any church dogma in the argument I have made either. It is true however that if you accept the truth of objective morality, which atheists typically do not, you are more likely to oppose abortion, however a ban on abortion is a 100% secular law as it requires no religious affiliation and applies equally to all women and medical providers regardless of their religious beliefs.

Your last line is irrelevant nonsense and you know it’s not even true.

You are mistaken.

Abortion before quickening was legal in the colonial days.

The first laws regarding abortions were anti poison laws to protect women from the poisons some salesman were selling to bring on her period.

The first laws against abortion started around the 1820s to protect women from unsafe ( at the time ) abortions.

By the 1970s medical abortions before viability were safer for women than pregnancy and childbirth.


Some of the early history taken from wiki

Abortion in the United States - Wikipedia
 
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re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

Lol. Chalk up another person who apparently doesn’t understand written English. Sad!

You literally said this:

Bodily autonomy is modernist invention, no one has a right to bodily autonomy

Nothing good can come from that epic fail. Nothing.
 
re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

The CONSTITUTION is the highest law of the land. Roe vs. Wade assured all pregnant girls and women have the CONSTITUTIONAL right to terminate their pregnancies for any reason. Why is that so hard to understand?

I am arguing IN FAVOR of two Supreme Justices who ruled.

I suspect the Court today really comes close to those two justices and me as well.

What is so hard to get ... that I support such justices?
 
re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

It's odd that some people don't understand that SCOTUS decisions aren't laws, but decisions that interpret the Constitution and that interpretation is what laws are then based on.

FYI only one justice voted against Jane Roe. One of the dissenters actually agreed with the majority abortion is legal in the Constitution, but not the amendment it is based on, writing it should be the Ninth instead of the Fourteenth.

Laws are based on bot the Constitution and court rulings.
 
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re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

You are obviously one of those people. I just told you the SCOTUS ruling is not the law itself.

You did? Where?
 
re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

You are mistaken.

Abortion before quickening was legal in the colonial days.

The first laws regarding abortions were anti poison laws to protect women from the poisons some salesman were selling to bring on her period.

The first laws against abortion started around the 1820s to protect women from unsafe ( at the time ) abortions.

By the 1970s medical abortions before viability were safer for women than pregnancy and childbirth.


Some of the early history taken from wiki

Abortion in the United States - Wikipedia

So, you are in effect proving me right.
 
re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

You literally said this:



Nothing good can come from that epic fail. Nothing.

That is true. No one has bodily autonomy because autonomy means not subject to outside authority which is clearly not true. If you had bodily autonomy you could not be compelled to pay taxes, or obey speed limits, or arrested for possessing drugs, etc.
 
re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

That is true. No one has bodily autonomy because autonomy means not subject to outside authority which is clearly not true. If you had bodily autonomy you could not be compelled to pay taxes, or obey speed limits, or arrested for possessing drugs, etc.

The tax example is BS period, but for the rest, all require due process first before charges. They cannot be violated without due process.
 
re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

That is true. No one has bodily autonomy because autonomy means not subject to outside authority which is clearly not true. If you had bodily autonomy you could not be compelled to pay taxes, or obey speed limits, or arrested for possessing drugs, etc.

WHat????
:lamo



Hint: That is not what that means
 
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re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

I know. Gun ownership is one of the amendments.

Abortions are not.

See, if it was one of the amendments, all Justices would have said so. But the 7-2 verdict was as murky to me as was the Dred Scott matter also in the Supreme Court.

Who here agreed with the SC as to the slavery issue?

Landmark Supreme Court Cases | Roe v. Wade: Summary of the Decision

A woman’s right to choose to have an abortion was not considered an absolute right. The Court stated that government restrictions on a woman’s right to choose were subject to the highest standard of review, that of strict scrutiny. This level of review requires that in order to be enforceable, a government regulation of this right must be shown to be narrowly tailored to a meet a compelling state interest.

In his dissenting opinion, Justice Rehnquist argued that the framers of the 14th Amendment did not intend for it to protect a right of privacy, a right which they did not recognize, and that they definitely did not intend for it to protect a woman’s decision to have an abortion. Justice Rehnquist further argued that the only right to privacy is that which is protected by the Fourth Amendment’s prohibition of unreasonable searches and seizures. Finally, he concluded that because this issue required a careful balance of the interests of the woman against the interests of the state, it was not an appropriate decision for the Court to make, but instead was a question that should have been left up to state legislatures to resolve.

This doesn't refute the argument that guns and abortion are not similar.
 
re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

Pregnancy is a natural function, in fact the single most important function.

Probable cause and due process are a part of civil law and criminal procedure, those terms have no relevance to pregnancy.
Pregnancy is not a crime nor punishment imposed by civil authorities.

Bodily sovereignty is a legal fiction, it does not exist, in fact your body and what you do with it may be regulated.

Actually, several amendments are based bodiliy autonomy including the privacy of beliefs and the privacy of personal information

Constitutional rights

The right to privacy often means the right to personal autonomy, or the right to choose whether or not to engage in certain acts or have certain experiences. Several amendments to the U.S. Constitution have been used in varying degrees of success in determining a right to personal autonomy:

The First Amendment protects the privacy of beliefs


The Third Amendment protects the privacy of the home against the use of it for housing

The Fourth Amendment protects privacy against unreasonable searches

The Fifth Amendment protects against self-incrimination, which in turn protects the privacy of personal information

The Ninth Amendment says that the "enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage other rights retained by the people." This has been interpreted as justification for broadly reading the Bill of Rights to protect privacy in ways not specifically provided in the first eight amendments.

The right to privacy is most often cited in the Due Process Clause of the 14th Amendment, which states:

No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


However, the protections have been narrowly defined and usually only pertain to family, marriage, motherhood, procreation and child rearing.

Read more:


Right to Privacy: Constitutional Rights & Privacy Laws | Live Science
 
re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

That is true. No one has bodily autonomy because autonomy means not subject to outside authority which is clearly not true. If you had bodily autonomy you could not be compelled to pay taxes, or obey speed limits, or arrested for possessing drugs, etc.

Deflection. You are also struggling with what we are even talking about here, which is obviously about one's physical entity and their right to use it as they see fit so long as they do not infringe on others, as you obviously believe is fine to do.

So. Did you misspeak when you said that bodily autonomy does not exist, or did you misspeak when you implied that rape is a bad thing?
 
re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave | US news | The Guardian





If prolifers really wanted to reduce the number of abortions, this is what they would be focusing on. Some women choose to abort because they come to the decision that the deck is too stacked against them to bring a child into this world.

Prolifers usually hate these very policies that would reduce the number of abortions. :shrug:

Poor planning. Poor choices. Poor decisions. that about sums up this persons whining.
 
re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

Poor planning. Poor choices. Poor decisions. that about sums up this persons whining.

Well fortunately they've chosen a perfectly acceptable option to not continue that trend with children, at least until prepared.
 
re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

Poor planning. Poor choices. Poor decisions. that about sums up this persons whining.

Do you support family leave, which would have likely prevented this abortion? Simple question. :)
 
re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

Women who allow themselves to get pregnant while unemployed or changing jobs when they dont have someone to support them are irresponsible....save me the pity party please.

Whomever forcibly impregnated anyone else deserves to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
 
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