[W:616]Tennessee toddler found gun, shot himself

[Wayne Jr]

So you wish to address a non-existent problem with more laws/government.

Non-existant problem? Is it just me or does the thread title read "toddler found gun, shot himself"?

 

[Wayne Jr]

You have me confused with someone that cares what others think my Rights are.......

I know your type. You talk a big game from behind your keyboard and you'll cry when they put the cuffs on. I've seen it a thousand times. If you 'cold dead hands' 'molone labe' types meant half of what you said, this country would already be in a civil war over gun laws.

 

[Wayne Jr]

The conclusion I draw from your post is that your firearms are not locked up because you are afraid

Discipline is discipline. People who don't secure their firearms don't brush their teeth or make their bed, either. In the service, it was said: "the Army can't make you do anything, but it can make you wish you did". We can't force them to secure their guns, but we CAN take their guns away if they don't. Decisions have consequences.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Non-existant problem? Is it just me or does the thread title read "toddler found gun, shot himself"?

It also says those responsible were arrested, charged and remain in custody. There is no lack of criminal responsibility for letting kids get hold of guns in the home.

 

[vegas giants]

The NRA is anti-gun so I don't think they'll fight as hard as you think.

Sure it is. Lol

 

[Chillfolks]

I don't have a problem requiring guns locked up if the gun owner has children under a certain age, 16 is my number but am flexible. I don't support any kind of law requiring all guns be secured when there is no minor in the family

 

[Casper]

I know your type. You talk a big game from behind your keyboard and you'll cry when they put the cuffs on. I've seen it a thousand times. If you 'cold dead hands' 'molone labe' types meant half of what you said, this country would already be in a civil war over gun laws.

And you would not know your arse from a hole in the ground. Did pass that one on to my other half, good laughs all around. I live when someone claims to know who someone is that they have met, they always come off as foolish and in somes case a fool.
Now back to the topic......you remember what that is?

 

[Wayne Jr]

It also says those responsible were arrested, charged and remain in custody. There is no lack of criminal responsibility for letting kids get hold of guns in the home.

Oh, so you think I was talking about a law that would only apply to this couple, or are you saying this couple is the only offenders and this can't possibly happen anywhere else?

 

[Wayne Jr]

And you would not know your arse from a hole in the ground.....

Like I said, you talk a big game from behind your keyboard and you'll cry when they put the cuffs on. Thanks for proving my point

 

[ttwtt78640]

Oh, so you think I was talking about a law that would only apply to this couple, or are you saying this couple is the only offenders and this can't possibly happen anywhere else?

What I said was quite clear - they broke an existing law and are being prosecuted for that criminal act. That does not indicate the need for yet another (redundant?) law.

 

[Wayne Jr]

What I said was quite clear - they broke an existing law and are being prosecuted for that criminal act. That does not indicate the need for yet another (redundant?) law.

The part you're missing is targeted enforcement to prevent the incident from occurring in the first place. No one can willingly comply with a law against leaving your gun where a toddler can get it if there is no law against leaving your gun where a toddler can get it. Idiots just say 'oh well I don't have kids so it's not possible for anyone to break into my car/home and misuse my gun hur hur hur'.

• You know who else doesn't have kids? The military, who keep their guns in a vault.
• You know who else doesn't have kids? The police, who keep their guns in a locked room on locked racks.
• You know who else doesn't have kids? The ****ing National Guard, and even they keep their guns locked up in an armory.

Not having children is no excuse. We're moving legislation through Ohio right now asserting our bottom line: either lock them up, or we're Red Flagging you and taking them away.

 

[Casper]

Like I said, you talk a big game from behind your keyboard and you'll cry when they put the cuffs on. Thanks for proving my point

Repeating yourself is not actually an argument, go ask your mother to explain it to you. Run along now, you're dismissed, Junior.

 

[Wayne Jr]

Repeating yourself is not actually an argument, go ask your mother to explain it to you. Run along now, you're dismissed, Junior.

See ^ Big talker.

 

[Casper]

The part you're missing is targeted enforcement to prevent the incident from occurring in the first place. No one can willingly comply with a law against leaving your gun where a toddler can get it if there is no law against leaving your gun where a toddler can get it. Idiots just say 'oh well I don't have kids so it's not possible for anyone to break into my car/home and misuse my gun hur hur hur'.

• You know who else doesn't have kids? The military, who keep their guns in a vault.
• You know who else doesn't have kids? The police, who keep their guns in a locked room on locked racks.
• You know who else doesn't have kids? The ****ing National Guard, and even they keep their guns locked up in an armory.

Not having children is no excuse. We're moving legislation through Ohio right now asserting our bottom line: either lock them up, or we're Red Flagging you and taking them away.

Please lead the way, we will see if you actually have a pair.

 

[ttwtt78640]

The part you're missing is targeted enforcement to prevent the incident from occurring in the first place. No one can willingly comply with a law against leaving your gun where a toddler can get it if there is no law against leaving your gun where a toddler can get it. Idiots just say 'oh well I don't have kids so it's not possible for anyone to break into my car/home and misuse my gun hur hur hur'.

• You know who else doesn't have kids? The military, who keep their guns in a vault.
• You know who else doesn't have kids? The police, who keep their guns in a locked room on locked racks.
• You know who else doesn't have kids? The ****ing National Guard, and even they keep their guns locked up in an armory.

Not having children is no excuse. We're moving legislation through Ohio right now asserting our bottom line: either lock them up, or we're Red Flagging you and taking them away.

Having barracks, armory or police station inspections are far different than private home and/or vehicle inspections.

If someone is going to break into your car/home then they likely could break your trigger lock too. Do you foresee a problem with toddlers breaking into cars/homes and thus the need for a trigger lock? It would seem that those prone to breaking into cars/homes might well be armed giving them further advantage if car/home occupants must have their guns locked up.

 

[Wayne Jr]

Please lead the way, we will see if you actually have a pair.

Hurhur 'lead the way' as if cops aren't already enforcing red-flag laws, taking firearms from Molone Labes, and wouldn't you know it...not a single shot fired. No civil war. The gun owners see an actual Swat unit show up and they can't hide their Punisher skulls fast enough

 

[Wayne Jr]

Having barracks, armory or police station inspections are far different than private home and/or vehicle inspections.

If someone is going to break into your car/home then they likely could break your trigger lock too. Do you foresee a problem with toddlers breaking into cars/homes and thus the need for a trigger lock? It would seem that those prone to breaking into cars/homes might well be armed giving them further advantage if car/home occupants must have their guns locked up.

So you're offering here, your personal guarantee that no gun owner will ever have company over that includes a child; no home will ever be burglarized; that no gun owner with a 'truck gun' will ever go anywhere children are present? This is the sworn holy oath you are offering?

 

[ttwtt78640]

So you're offering here, your personal guarantee that no gun owner will ever have company over that includes a child; no home will ever be burglarized; that no gun owner with a 'truck gun' will ever go anywhere children are present? This is the sworn holy oath you are offering?

Nope, but as I said before - the risk of prosecution should an "accident" occur is already present. How many prosecutions for someone having left a gun (too far from their person?) without a trigger lock on it do you foresee per month? How often would the typical home/vehicle be checked to ensure compliance?

 

[Divine_Wind]

This is why I support safe storage laws. A simple trigger lock would have prevented this.

Maybe making drugs illegal would help too....oh,wait.....

Would the anti-gun mob feel better if the kid killed himself by drinking drain cleaner or ingesting some of the same drugs his parents were high on when this poor kid killed himself? What's the real problem here? Parents who shouldn't be parents? Lack of mental health care to help drug addicts get clean?

 

[Divine_Wind]

So you're offering here, your personal guarantee that no gun owner will ever have company over that includes a child; no home will ever be burglarized; that no gun owner with a 'truck gun' will ever go anywhere children are present? This is the sworn holy oath you are offering?

Do you think that same guarantee should be demanded of household chemicals, medications, illegal drugs, lawn mowers, open windows, etc?

 

[Wayne Jr]

Nope, but as I said before - the risk of prosecution should an "accident" occur is already present. How many prosecutions for someone having left a gun (too far from their person?) without a trigger lock on it do you foresee per month? How often would the typical home/vehicle be checked to ensure compliance?

And again you're looking past my primary argument, that such a law attracts voluntary compliance, and that voluntary compliance reduces incidents.

 

[Wayne Jr]

Maybe making drugs illegal would help too....oh,wait.....

You should keep your cocaine secured from unauthorized access as well, yes.

Would the anti-gun mob feel better if the kid killed himself by drinking drain cleaner or ingesting some of the same drugs his parents were high on when this poor kid killed himself?

You should keep household cleaning chemicals locked away from children as well, yes.

 

[Wayne Jr]

Do you think that same guarantee should be demanded of household chemicals, medications, illegal drugs, lawn mowers, open windows, etc?

I've made no guarantee. What are you talking about?

 

[ttwtt78640]

And again you're looking past my primary argument, that such a law attracts voluntary compliance, and that voluntary compliance reduces incidents.

Enacting a law with no intention to enforce it is nonsense.

 

[Wayne Jr]

Enacting a law with no intention to enforce it is nonsense.

Right, so, we then enforce the law. I'm pretty sure I said that already. We pass the law, wait for some dumbass to ignore it, prosecute the **** out of him as an example, and most of the community then voluntarily complies. The people who aren't complying are doing their best to make sure nothing happens to attract the DA's attention, which means they're keeping their guns secured in some way....which is the whole flipping point in the first place.