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[W:549] Nfl 2018

And Nixon was a fine President, except for the, uh, cheating.

Newsflash every team and player cheats.

Last time I saw a Cowboys game, the Washington defensive linemen were making disconcerting signals.

That is against the NFL rules.
 
Newsflash every team and player cheats.

Last time I saw a Cowboys game, the Washington defensive linemen were making disconcerting signals.

That is against the NFL rules.

No one is claiming GOAT status for them.
 
And Nixon was a fine President, except for the, uh, cheating.

TB doesn't really need to cheat, so good he is.
He wasn't the one who was responsible for Spygate; had actually nothing to do with that.
I profoundly doubt that he did anything different in Deflategate than what other QBs in the league do; nothing worthy of more than a small equipment violation fine that doesn't amount to real cheating.
I think his destroying the cell phone might have happened for several reasons other than cheating (like I said, he is a celebrity, married to a celebrity, and wouldn't want personal and intimate phone content to be fodder for leaks to the tabloids and gossip sites).

Now, whether or not Bill Belichick is a cheater, is another matter. I wouldn't give him this much of a pass. It's much more likely that the cheater is BB, rather than TB.

TB? Nah. He's got too much talent to be in need of cheating. BB has talent too, but is kind of evil. TB is a rather nice guy.
 
TB doesn't really need to cheat, so good he is.
He wasn't the one who was responsible for Spygate; had actually nothing to do with that.
I profoundly doubt that he did anything different in Deflategate than what other QBs in the league do; nothing worthy of more than a small equipment violation fine that doesn't amount to real cheating.
I think his destroying the cell phone might have happened for several reasons other than cheating (like I said, he is a celebrity, married to a celebrity, and wouldn't want personal and intimate phone content to be fodder for leaks to the tabloids and gossip sites).

Now, whether or not Bill Belichick is a cheater, is another matter. I wouldn't give him this much of a pass. It's much more likely that the cheater is BB, rather than TB.

TB? Nah. He's got too much talent to be in need of cheating. BB has talent too, but is kind of evil. TB is a rather nice guy.

He destroyed his phone. Guilty. Case closed.
 
And see, while as a fan of the sport I admire Brady's talent and I like to see a great QB playing the game, I *always* root against the Patriots.
I'll be rooting against them in the conference championship, and in the Super Bowl if they get there, like I do every year.
I find that the Pats winning so often becomes very boring, so I prefer to always root against them.

But it doesn't mean that I am biased enough to ignore Brady's talent, and to fail to understand that all this cheating talk is over-the-top.
 
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And see, while as a fan of the sport I admire Brady's talent and I like to see a great QB playing the game, I *always* root against the Patriots.
I'll be rooting against them in the conference championship, and in the Super Bowl if they get there, like I do every year.
I find that the Pats winning so often becomes very boring, so I prefer to always root against them.

But it doesn't mean that I am biased enough to ignore Brady's talent, and to understand that all this cheating talk is over-the-top.

And you have every right to that view.
 
He destroyed his phone. Guilty. Case closed.

So what if one day, you know, say, they all get really old and TB passes away, and Giselle passes away, and Gronk is still alive, and old granpa Gronk gives an interview from his nursing home, and says "haha, now that they are no longer around, I can say it: everybody went berserk because Tom destroyed his phone, calling him guilty of deflating footballs, when he destroyed it because he texted me from it inviting me to come over for a threesome with his wife; we used to do that most weekends; nice piece, that Giselle! Sometimes I brought in a girlfriend too and we did a foursome. Wild times! I remember it fondly!"

Would you then say (assuming you'd still be alive too): Whoops, I was wrong...

The fact is, we have no idea why Tom destroyed his phone. It can perfectly be due to some other reason completely unrelated to Deflategate.

Would most people want the content of their phones publicized for the world to see? Celebrities need to be even more careful with this kind of stuff.
 
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So what if one day, you know, say, they all get really old and TB passes away, and Giselle passes away, and Gronk is still alive, and old granda Gronk gives an interview from his nursing home, and says "haha, now that they are no longer around, I can say it: everybody went berserk because Tom destroyed his phone, calling him guilty of deflating footballs, when he destroyed it because he texted me from it inviting me to come over for a threesome with his wife; we used to do that most weekends; nice piece, that Giselle! Sometimes I brought in a girlfriend too and we did a foursome. Wild times! I remember it fondly!"

Would you then say (assuming you'd still be alive too): Whoops, I was wrong...

The fact is, we have no idea why Tom destroyed his phone. It can perfectly be due to some other reason completely unrelated to Deflategate.

Would most people want the content of their phones publicized for the world to see? Celebrities need to be even more careful with this kind of stuff.

No. I owe him nothing and I'm not obligated to believe Gronk.
TB is a public figure and his own actions brought his phone into play.
 
He destroyed his phone. Guilty. Case closed.

bull, he did not want his private business into the open because of a fake investigation into something that there was no evidence that it had anything to do with him.
 
bull, he did not want his private business into the open because of a fake investigation into something that there was no evidence that it had anything to do with him.

You are obviously entitled to your view. I disagree. As far as I'm concerned he declared his guilt when he destroyed his phone.
 
You are obviously entitled to your view. I disagree. As far as I'm concerned he declared his guilt when he destroyed his phone.

Question. How many players in the hall of fame cheated and use steroids or other illegal substances?

Who do you consider the greatest WR? Jerry Rice admitted he cheated.
 
You are obviously entitled to your view. I disagree. As far as I'm concerned he declared his guilt when he destroyed his phone.

Again, no evidence of any guilt. Destroying his phone does not make someone guilty, or does innocent until proven guilty mean nothing when you are a Patriot? Because I still have not seen evidence of guilt of Brady.
 
Again, no evidence of any guilt. Destroying his phone does not make someone guilty, or does innocent until proven guilty mean nothing when you are a Patriot? Because I still have not seen evidence of guilt of Brady.

With that kind of logic then Lance Armstrong wasnt guilty either.

Circumstantial evidence at best.

A high profile individual like Tom Brady needs to go through a new phone every month or so. Brady isn't just a famous guy. He's a football god and married to the most famous supermodel in the world. Plus he has kids. It would be dangerous for him to not destroy his phone.

LOL good one!
 
With that kind of logic then Lance Armstrong wasnt guilty either.

LOL good one!

If you believe Tom Brady is guilty, then you don't believe in science:

For the conditions of the 2015 AFC Championship Game, using Gay-Lussac’s law we can compute that the Patriots’ footballs should have had an on-field pressure of 11.32 psig, or pounds-per-square inch gauge pressure. This is assuming pregame inflation to 12.5 psig in a 71°F locker room, with an on-field temperature of 48°F. (With the Rankine scale, the locker room temperature was 460 + 71 = 531°R and the field temperature was 460 + 48 = 508°R.) The details of the computation are as follows (I encourage you to try it yourself with a calculator):

(12.5+14.7)*(460+48)/(460+71)-14.7 =11.32

where:

12.5 = starting Patriots’ gauge pressure in psig

14.7 = atmospheric pressure (add this to psig to get absolute pressure)

460 = add this to degrees Fahrenheit to get absolute temperature (Rankine scale)

71 = locker room temp, in degrees Fahrenheit

48 = field temperature, in degrees Fahrenheit

The ratio of the two absolute temperatures, (508°R / 531°R = 0.9567) is about 95.7%, meaning that, in absolute terms, the temperature fell by 4.3% from locker room to field. Therefore, the absolute pressure in the footballs should also fall by 4.3%, from 27.2 psi to about 26.02 psi. Subtract 14.7 psi from this last number and you get 11.32 psig, the predicted on field relative pressure for the Patriots' footballs.

Now let’s compare this prediction to the measurements. Using the Logo gauge, the values for the Patriots’ footballs were 11.80, 11.20, 11.50, 11.00, 11.45, 11.95, 12.30, 11.55, 11.35, 10.90 and 11.35 psig. The average of these values is 11.49 psig. Notice that eight of the eleven measured values are greater than the predicted pressure of 11.32 psig.

Accounting for an additional drop in pressure from some balls being wet, the agreement between prediction (11.32 psig) and observation (11.49 psig) is remarkably good. The difference of 0.17 psi is in line with the amount of warming that would be expected to occur during the measurement process, especially when one accounts for the fact that the Patriots’ footballs were kept in a bag before being measured during halftime. The agreement is especially compelling to me in light of the fact that the calibration of the cheap pressure gauges used by the referee can drift substantially over time. For example, Figure 12 in Exponent’s report shows that the calibration of the two gauges shifted in the relevant pressure range by about 0.1 psi over the course of just a few days. Figures 5 and 6 show that even brand new gauges can exhibit a pretty wide range of values when measuring the same pressure.

With such low-cost gauges, an observation of 11.49 psig and a prediction of 11.32 psig, what more could the NFL ask for?

https://www.si.com/nfl/2016/10/04/tom-brady-deflategate-ideal-gas-law
 
So what if one day, you know, say, they all get really old and TB passes away, and Giselle passes away, and Gronk is still alive, and old granpa Gronk gives an interview from his nursing home, and says "haha, now that they are no longer around, I can say it: everybody went berserk because Tom destroyed his phone, calling him guilty of deflating footballs, when he destroyed it because he texted me from it inviting me to come over for a threesome with his wife; we used to do that most weekends; nice piece, that Giselle! Sometimes I brought in a girlfriend too and we did a foursome. Wild times! I remember it fondly!"

Would you then say (assuming you'd still be alive too): Whoops, I was wrong...

The fact is, we have no idea why Tom destroyed his phone. It can perfectly be due to some other reason completely unrelated to Deflategate.

Would most people want the content of their phones publicized for the world to see? Celebrities need to be even more careful with this kind of stuff.

Science proves Brady innocent.

But a brave group of scientists have discovered the potential smoking gun for Brady’s legal team should they use their collective expertise in court: science. A brief filed on Tuesday from 21 professors at 10 different universities, including MIT, Stanford and Penn, put the science of football air pressure at the forefront to argue for Brady’s case.

As the group of engineers and physicists explained candidly in the brief, “there is no scientific proof of wrongdoing.”

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...-the-nfl-is-wrong_us_5745fb9ce4b0dacf7ad3c55d

I am not trying to call anyone out but the person you are "debating" with doesn't believe in scientific consensus. He believes humans are not causing temperatures to rise in the world even though the scientific consensus proves otherwise.

Again, people can believe what they want to believe, however when you don't believe in science, you are debating a brick wall.
 
Your text is outdated. They've won five SB's together. Who else won five NFL titles together? Lombardi and Starr, and in less time.
I don't care how many meetings they have, or how long they've been together, etc.
Joe Gibbs won three SB's with three different QB's. Belichick likely could have won with other QB's too.

You can parse it out any way you like Jack, but "coulda" "shoulda" "woulda" doesn't mean squat.

You are basing your entire argument on speculation and it doesn't bode well for you.
 
Again, no evidence of any guilt. Destroying his phone does not make someone guilty, or does innocent until proven guilty mean nothing when you are a Patriot? Because I still have not seen evidence of guilt of Brady.

I really don't care. In the court of my opinion he's guilty.
 
I remember this well. Incognito and Pouncey were almost run out of the league. Looks like the NFL had it backwards.




No, the NFL did not have it backwards. The evidence was clear. We have cell phone texts and other hard evidence. Incognito threatened to kill Martin's family. That is not okay. The offensive coach was soon after fired for drugs (white powder, might have been coke or meth). Incognito continued to have problems at other teams and is, iirc, now gone.

Pouncey was not fired and remained with the team throughout his final few years when he wasn't worth crap.

Does Martin have issues? Obviously. Some say they were exasperated by the hazing that certainly and beyond any doubt took place in an environment of authority on drugs.
 
No, the NFL did not have it backwards. The evidence was clear. We have cell phone texts and other hard evidence. Incognito threatened to kill Martin's family. That is not okay. The offensive coach was soon after fired for drugs (white powder, might have been coke or meth). Incognito continued to have problems at other teams and is, iirc, now gone.

Pouncey was not fired and remained with the team throughout his final few years when he wasn't worth crap.

Does Martin have issues? Obviously. Some say they were exasperated by the hazing that certainly and beyond any doubt took place in an environment of authority on drugs.

Sorry, but your account is at variance with the record. Incognito played through 2017 and was named to the Pro Bowl. Pouncey is still active and was the only Dolphin to be named to the Pro Bowl at two different positions. Investigation turned out much better for Incognito than for Martin.

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Richard Dominik Incognito Jr. (born July 5, 1983) is a former American football offensive guard. He played college football for the University of Nebraska and ...

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James Michael Pouncey (born July 24, 1989) is an American football center for the Los Angeles Chargers of the National Football League (NFL). He played ...
 
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