[W:532]Graham says he's '1,000 percent confident' Russia, not Ukraine, hacked DNC

[jamesbyoung]

Re: Graham says he's '1,000 percent confident' Russia, not Ukraine, hacked DNC

Rudy is doing investigatory work for the Trump administration concerning possible ties of corruption between the Obama Administration and the Ukraine.

No, he is not. He is trying to save Trump's butt for his criminal interference with our National Security in Ukraine.

 

[jamesbyoung]

Re: Graham says he's '1,000 percent confident' Russia, not Ukraine, hacked DNC

So, you've run out of ideas to debate me? I understand.

You were destroyed in debate long ago, now you are simply being toyed with.

 

[JasperL]

Re: Graham says he's '1,000 percent confident' Russia, not Ukraine, hacked DNC

Rudy is doing investigatory work for the Trump administration concerning possible ties of corruption between the Obama Administration and the Ukraine.

Who is paying him? We know Parnas paid Rudy at least $500,000, and Parnas was repping the indicted thug oligarch Firtash, who paid Parnas at least $1 million. And Rudy was working with Parnas to oust Yovanovitch and do the "investigatory" work, so we know whatever it is Rudy was doing was helping out an indicted thug oligarch, Firtash, fighting extradition to the U.S. to answer for his thuggery. We don't know who else was paying Rudy, but we do know associating with and hiring thugs repping other thugs to help out in the investigation is a bad way to go about it.

 

[Vern]

Re: Graham says he's '1,000 percent confident' Russia, not Ukraine, hacked DNC

Their lawyers showed up, surprising Mueller and catching him totally unprepared to take the case to court. He had no intention of ever proving his baseless allegations in court so when lawyers for the defendant showed up it scared him out of his wits.

thank you for again proving you are simply a paid troll. The trolls who do it out of obedience to conservatism put some effort into their lies. they might even believe them. Again, not one of the Russians indicted for hacking the DNC or their attorneys showed up anywhere.

 

[Thoreau72]

Re: Graham says he's '1,000 percent confident' Russia, not Ukraine, hacked DNC

Why am I not surprised you are doing a whataboutism instead of focusing on the arch-criminals Trump and Moscow Mitch.

Asking questions is a bad thing?

That is very much in fashion in today's US electorate, I must admit.

Dodging questions, as you have done, strongly suggests one would rather not address the issue raised by the questions. Nice dodge.

 

[jamesbyoung]

Re: Graham says he's '1,000 percent confident' Russia, not Ukraine, hacked DNC

jamesbyoung
Why am I not surprised you are doing a whataboutism instead of focusing on the arch-criminals Trump and Moscow Mitch.

Asking questions is a bad thing?

That is very much in fashion in today's US electorate, I must admit.

Dodging questions, as you have done, strongly suggests one would rather not address the issue raised by the questions. Nice dodge.

You are dodging questions. Whataboutism is doing just that. Graham is sure the Russians not the Ukies interfered with our election. Only a pro-Russian supporter of Trump would deny it.

 

[Thoreau72]

Re: Graham says he's '1,000 percent confident' Russia, not Ukraine, hacked DNC

jamesbyoung
Why am I not surprised you are doing a whataboutism instead of focusing on the arch-criminals Trump and Moscow Mitch.



You are dodging questions. Whataboutism is doing just that. Graham is sure the Russians not the Ukies interfered with our election. Only a pro-Russian supporter of Trump would deny it.

So you believe Lindsey Graham. Big Deal.

You don't want to talk about Israeli influence in the US government. Big Deal. People like you are a dime-a-dozen, standard fare. Don't think and don't ask questions. Do what they say and think as they say and you will succeed.

 

[jamesbyoung]

Re: Graham says he's '1,000 percent confident' Russia, not Ukraine, hacked DNC

I believe Lindsey Graham before you, of course, Thoreau.

Any well-educated, patriotic American would believe him before you.

Israeli influence has nothing to do with Trump's malfeasance in and out of office. You are a nothing in this discussion: a simple whataboutist with no cred or importance.

 

[uptower]

Re: Graham says he's '1,000 percent confident' Russia, not Ukraine, hacked DNC

It just came out that the "experts" have been systematically lying to us all for nearly two decades about the Afghanistan War, and that's just the lastest in a long series of revelations of massive deceptions by expert officialdom on the public. Nobody's pretending to know better than than the experts, it's just that the experts have proven to be completely unreliable and untrustworthy.

Oh let’s all bow down and believe president 15000 lies and counting then shall we? Unless it can be demonstrated that the same depts of the same agencies are lying about Afghanistan and Russian election interference there’s not much of a case to be made for trump supporters.

 

[marke]

Re: Graham says he's '1,000 percent confident' Russia, not Ukraine, hacked DNC

thank you for again proving you are simply a paid troll. The trolls who do it out of obedience to conservatism put some effort into their lies. they might even believe them. Again, not one of the Russians indicted for hacking the DNC or their attorneys showed up anywhere.

Nevertheless, Mueller rushed into court to ask a judge to postpone the trial of the Russians because he was shocked when they demanded he turn over defense materials to them.

 

[Vern]

Re: Graham says he's '1,000 percent confident' Russia, not Ukraine, hacked DNC

Nevertheless, Mueller rushed into court to ask a judge to postpone the trial of the Russians because he was shocked when they demanded he turn over defense materials to them.

no marke, its not "nevertheless". You've been posting lie after lie concerning trump obediently spewing Russia's propaganda. walk with me down memory lane

Dumb or not I must confess ignorance as to where you got the idea that the report said Russians hacked the DNC computers and stole emails they then gave to Wikileaks for publication.

I got the idea from 12 Russians from the GRU being indicted for it. And you've been flailing post after post at the fact that its just a fact that Russia hacked the DNC. Your latest dishonest narrative was that "the Russians showed up in court". And I've again proven you were simply lying so again, marke, its not "nevertheless". You should actually post "vern, you've proven everyting I've posted is a lie but nevertheless, I still get paid".

 

[marke]

Re: Graham says he's '1,000 percent confident' Russia, not Ukraine, hacked DNC

no marke, its not "nevertheless". You've been posting lie after lie concerning trump obediently spewing Russia's propaganda. walk with me down memory lane



I got the idea from 12 Russians from the GRU being indicted for it. And you've been flailing post after post at the fact that its just a fact that Russia hacked the DNC. Your latest dishonest narrative was that "the Russians showed up in court". And I've again proven you were simply lying so again, marke, its not "nevertheless". You should actually post "vern, you've proven everyting I've posted is a lie but nevertheless, I still get paid".

The DNC and its tech supporters told federal investigators that Russians hacked the emails and gave them to Assange. American investigators took the Democrats at their word, but never independently confirmed that assertion. Mueller even indicted Russians for hacking he assumed included the Assange trove of emails, but Mueller never discovered how the Russians supposedly transferred the emails to Assange. Mueller said the emails might have been delivered to Assange by hand but he didn't know. Mueller really didn't have a strong case against the Russians which was why he was shocked when one of the indicted parties answered his charges by petitioning the court for him to release documents related to the charges.

 

[Vern]

Re: Graham says he's '1,000 percent confident' Russia, not Ukraine, hacked DNC

The DNC and its tech supporters told federal investigators that Russians hacked the emails and gave them to Assange. American investigators took the Democrats at their word, but never independently confirmed that assertion. Mueller even indicted Russians for hacking he assumed included the Assange trove of emails, but Mueller never discovered how the Russians supposedly transferred the emails to Assange. Mueller said the emails might have been delivered to Assange by hand but he didn't know. Mueller really didn't have a strong case against the Russians which was why he was shocked when one of the indicted parties answered his charges by petitioning the court for him to release documents related to the charges.

Oh look, you're simply repeating all the lying narratives you've already spewed. and I have to laugh that you're literally posting "the indictment of the 12 Russians at the GRU was based on democrats telling Mueller that". Again, not one of the 12 Russians indicted for hacking the DNC or their attorney's showed up. See marke, that's what proves you're a paid troll. Even the dumbest conservatives slink away when they figure out what they're posting is false. You cant because you're paid to simply repeat the same lies over and over.

 

[marke]

Re: Graham says he's '1,000 percent confident' Russia, not Ukraine, hacked DNC

Oh look, you're simply repeating all the lying narratives you've already spewed. and I have to laugh that you're literally posting "the indictment of the 12 Russians at the GRU was based on democrats telling Mueller that". Again, not one of the 12 Russians indicted for hacking the DNC or their attorney's showed up. See marke, that's what proves you're a paid troll. Even the dumbest conservatives slink away when they figure out what they're posting is false. You cant because you're paid to simply repeat the same lies over and over.

I cannot explain your contrary take on the facts. Here is a news report involving Mueller, the court and the Russians Mueller indicted. Sort it out for yourself.

Judge rejects Mueller's request for delay in Russian troll farm case - POLITICO

 

[Thoreau72]

Re: Graham says he's '1,000 percent confident' Russia, not Ukraine, hacked DNC

I believe Lindsey Graham before you, of course, Thoreau.

Any well-educated, patriotic American would believe him before you.

Israeli influence has nothing to do with Trump's malfeasance in and out of office. You are a nothing in this discussion: a simple whataboutist with no cred or importance.

I know that James. Your world view is formed by the statements of known liars in government. You are a good subject and will be rewarded in Heaven.

 

[Vern]

Re: Graham says he's '1,000 percent confident' Russia, not Ukraine, hacked DNC

I cannot explain your contrary take on the facts. Here is a news report involving Mueller, the court and the Russians Mueller indicted. Sort it out for yourself.

Judge rejects Mueller's request for delay in Russian troll farm case - POLITICO

oh marke, when you know what is in a 2 year old senate report you just don't get to pretend to not understand what your editorial is saying. its literally saying exactly what I've been saying. Sure, it was vague (maybe purposely) in the first paragraph but it is quite clear in the second and third paragraph. I know conservatives routinely don't read their own links so your post seems like the normal level of ignorance one should expect from them. Except of course, you knew what was in a 2 year old senate report. That's what sets you apart and proves you know what you're posting is a lie. And that's why you simply posted a link with no excepts from it like most conservatives but again, you're not like most conservatives. Anyhoo, this is from your editorial.

The 13 people charged in the high-profile indictment in February are considered unlikely to ever appear in a U.S. court. The three businesses accused of facilitating the alleged Russian troll farm operation — the Internet Research Agency, Concord Management, and Concord Catering — were also expected to simply ignore the American criminal proceedings.

And as stated by me and your editorial, lawyers for one of the troll farms showed up. Not one of the 12 Russians indicted for hacking the DNC or their lawyers showed up. And don't forget, our conservation started when you said there was no evidence Russia hacked the DNC which was your first lie.

 

[cabse5]

Re: Graham says he's '1,000 percent confident' Russia, not Ukraine, hacked DNC

No, he is not. He is trying to save Trump's butt for his criminal interference with our National Security in Ukraine.

You are inferring that. Why don't you provide some facts that back up this post of yours?

 

[cabse5]

Re: Graham says he's '1,000 percent confident' Russia, not Ukraine, hacked DNC

There's set policies that the United States uses to investigate anything. The U.S. has an extremely competent set of investigative agencies. The CIA, NSA, OIC, FBI and all those others that are utilized for any investigation of a U.S. citizen. In addition to our own highly competent investigatory bodies, the U.S. works in conjunction with other countries that have information sharing agreements. The 'Five Eyes' alliance comprises Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom and the United States.

Could you, or anyone else, give me a clear answer without inserting baseless 'excuses', why Trump felt he was compelled to rely on Rudy Giuliani running a shadow foreign policy or ask the Ukrainians to do any investigations on Joe or Hunter Biden, on themselves, on Burisma or CrowdStrike when the U.S. is vastly more capable of doing this legally?

There you go ignoring the obvious, again. You forget about Christopher Steele. Steele was former MI6 and a former CIA informant which makes him a private investigator, and, according to you, not entitled by the US federal to investigate anything. And Steele has all kinds of bias against Trump which also, according to you, makes Steele ineligible to investigate for the fed gov't.

How do you explain Steele's dossier being the main evidence for the FBI to obtain a FISA warrant against Page and Pop. if private, biased individuals like Giuliani can't (in your opinion) investigate for the federal gov't? Hum?

 

[cabse5]

Re: Graham says he's '1,000 percent confident' Russia, not Ukraine, hacked DNC

There's actually no science at all to your being uniformed and illogical.

I'm saying you're taking the same attitude as you do towards AGW climate change. Your attitude is it has been settled so there's no need to discuss any further...and anyone who disagrees is 'blasphemous' (or a lover of Putin)..

 

[cabse5]

Re: Graham says he's '1,000 percent confident' Russia, not Ukraine, hacked DNC

You were destroyed in debate long ago, now you are simply being toyed with.

Show me where I was destroyed in debate long ago.

 

[jamesbyoung]

Re: Graham says he's '1,000 percent confident' Russia, not Ukraine, hacked DNC

Show me where I was destroyed in debate long ago.

Thank you.

 

[HumblePi]

Re: Graham says he's '1,000 percent confident' Russia, not Ukraine, hacked DNC

There you go ignoring the obvious, again. You forget about Christopher Steele. Steele was former MI6 and a former CIA informant which makes him a private investigator, and, according to you, not entitled by the US federal to investigate anything. And Steele has all kinds of bias against Trump which also, according to you, makes Steele ineligible to investigate for the fed gov't.

How do you explain Steele's dossier being the main evidence for the FBI to obtain a FISA warrant against Page and Pop. if private, biased individuals like Giuliani can't (in your opinion) investigate for the federal gov't? Hum?

See, here's your problem. Your statement about Steele being a CIA informant shows how little you understand about secret intelligence. You see Christopher Steele as someone that's bad, or evil because he shared information with the CIA. But that's precisely what he's supposed to do! The British Intelligence agency MI6, is possibly one of the most elite foreign intelligence agencies in the entire world. MI6 is the UK partner in the 'Five Eyes' of intelligence agencies that, in cooperation with the U.S., Australia, Canada and New Zealand, they are bound by an agreement to cooperate jointly in signals intelligence, military intelligence, and human intelligence. The Five Eyes are the echelon that are the global monitors on worldwide terror. These agencies are 'like-minded' partners against China and Russia. It has become a key element in stopping global terrorism. Bottom line, they share information with each other all the time and have been for decades.

The fact that Christopher Steele was a retired high ranking officer in MI6 is one reason why Fusion GPS hired him. He was the expert British intelligence on Russia. He had contacts in Russia, on the inside, for many years and because of those contacts he received a lot of information. Some sources were reliable and some were not. When anyone passes on information to an undercover agent whether it's a CIA agent, MI6 agent, CSIS or ASIS agent, they have to filter out what they can and keep what they find credible. If there was any wrongdoing or mishandling of information it was due to that of Fushion GPS, not Christopher Steele.

 

[HumblePi]

Re: Graham says he's '1,000 percent confident' Russia, not Ukraine, hacked DNC

I'm saying you're taking the same attitude as you do towards AGW climate change. Your attitude is it has been settled so there's no need to discuss any further...and anyone who disagrees is 'blasphemous' (or a lover of Putin)..

I have no idea who or what 'AGW' is and I'd really appreciate if you quoted something that you claim reflects my attitude towards AGW.

It's been proven long ago, that it was Russia, not China or Iran or N. Korea, that interfered in our election. That should be a full stop with no obscurity or questions. Russia did it, period.

 

[jamesbyoung]

Re: Graham says he's '1,000 percent confident' Russia, not Ukraine, hacked DNC

I have no idea who or what 'AGW' is and I'd really appreciate if you quoted something that you claim reflects my attitude towards AGW.

It's been proven long ago, that it was Russia, not China or Iran or N. Korea, that interfered in our election. That should be a full stop with no obscurity or questions. Russia did it, period.

Anyone who insists that Russia did not interfere should be inferred as a working for a foreign nation and forced to register as an agent of such.

 

[HumblePi]

Re: Graham says he's '1,000 percent confident' Russia, not Ukraine, hacked DNC

Anyone who insists that Russia did not interfere should be inferred as a working for a foreign nation and forced to register as an agent of such.

Anyone that's trying to say it wasn't Russia or it was both Russia and Ukraine and trying to 'prove' that Ukraine interfered in our election, is nothing less than a traitor to this country. Trumpers don't understand that governments like France, Great Britain, Canada, Australia, New Zealand all disliked Trump immensely because they knew that he's a populist and a separatist. "America First" told them all they needed to know about how cooperative Trump would be with US global partners. They knew he was pandering to Putin and Saudi Arabia -- for the money and the power.

Here's examples from newspapers all over the world just one day after Trump's election. It gives a pretty clear picture of how everyone felt about Donald Trump. Did they all interfere in out election, of course not. Ukraine knew no different than the others. Ukraine knew that Trump would stick up for Putin against them, so of course they didn't want him to win. But they did not interfere in our election as Russia did.

The Daily News (UK)

The Philippine Star, Manila, Philippines

The Telegraph, New Zealand

France

Germany