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[W:520]Chicanery in COVID-19 Reporting? Two Things that Seem VERY Fishy!

Mashmont said:
Ebola actually was a serious disease.
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Sure, but it's a disease with a lower R0 and is transmitted through bodily fluids versus airborne droplets. Ebola killed 11 people in the US and doesn't even remotely compare in scale as it relates to the infection rate seen with SARS-CoV-2.


But because 0bummer was in charge, the media wasn't going to demand everything be shut down. Same with H1N1. Real diseases that actually killed young people.
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The H1N1 virus wasn't a novel virus like this one is, which means some people exposed to other strains of the virus have some degree of immunity. This virus is brand new to humans, so it will spread very easily. SARS-CoV-2 is pretty real and already killing more people than H1N1 did. Currently, deaths as a result of COVID 19 already surpass what those lost to H1N1; and that's over the course of a year


The COVID thing? The left seized on this no-big-deal virus and turned it into the Bubonic Plague in an election year. And now that it has predictably fizzled, the media will do it's best to continue to hype its effects and hope to damage the economy as much as possible.
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It hasn't fizzled. Hopefully we'll see a downward trend sooner than later, but I'm curious to see how other countries who have experienced their peak infection fare before being overly optimistic. No one was going to sweep this under the rug because unless everyone decided to put blinders on, the impact of this disease was going to be clear soon enough. The markets would have picked up on the high contagion rate and the impact to those economies. If we did nothing, all of the sick people would overwhelmed hospitals and asymptomatic people would travel all over the country spreading the disease and expanding the growth even further.

It takes a lot of magical thinking to assume this wouldn't be a big deal.
 
DarkWizard12 said:
Don't think it's slipped my notice how "democrats" like to enforce their own language on others. i find it to be utterly childish. Most people, correctly, don't think it one iota difference between "democrat" and "democratic", and know that it means the exact same thing.
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One is literate, the other is illiterate. And it's a trend for GOP hacks to be deliberately illiterate, stupid, as a childish insult, on the level of a 12 year old.

I kind of like it myself because people who use e.g. the term "democrat party" tell us all ahead of time they are 1) stupid, or 2) partisan hacks who dwell in the right wing bubble. It's a time saver!

Yet, you go on twitter and dare call a democrat a "democrat", they treat like you just said the N word, which i find distastful and stupid. Until the "democrat party" learns to actually be "democratic", I see no reason to refer to a "democrat" as anything other than one who happens to be a member of the "democrat" party....or, you know, find something better to complain about than what suffix you want on your name.

Anything is a slur if you take it that way.
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See, there you go. Made my point nicely!! Thanks!
 
Mashmont said:
Dr. Birx is the source. She said any person with COVID who dies is being treated as a COVID death, regardless of the actual cause. That obviously means in some cases, something else was the true cause.
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The federal government is classifying the deaths of patients infected with the coronavirus as COVID-19 deaths, regardless of any underlying health issues that could have contributed to the loss of someone's life.

Last I checked, Trump was in charge of the federal government.
 
Sandy Shanks said:
Beginning two weeks ago, I have asked this same question several times. I have yet to get an answer.

Are older people afflicted with Covid-19, who are already sick, dying of lung disease, obesity, pneumonia, diabetes, influenza, heart disease, etc. or are they dying because of Covid-19?
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If I shoot an old lady in the head already dying of lung disease, obesity, etc., did she die of one of those ailments or the hole in their brain caused by that bullet? Tough question....
 
Barnacle said:
Figuring out cause of death might not be in the interest of the hospitals which are hemorrhaging $$$ because of cancelled elective and non-life threatening procedures.

"Dr. Scott Jensen, a Minnesota family physician who is also a Republican state senator, ... "... under the CDC guidelines, a patient who died after being hit by a bus and tested positive for coronavirus would be listed as having presumed to have died from the virus regardless of whatever damage was caused by the bus.

... "Right now Medicare has determined that if you have a COVID-19 admission to the hospital you’ll get paid $13,000. If that COVID-19 patient goes on a ventilator, you get $39,000; three times as much. Nobody can tell me, after 35 years in the world of medicine, that sometimes those kinds of things [have] impact on what we do. ..."

Minnesota doctor blasts '''ridiculous''' CDC coronavirus death count guidelines | Fox News
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Dr. Scott Jensen is a shameless liar, peddling bull**** to the rubes, but that shouldn't surprise anyone - he's a GOP senator! It's what those assholes do!

In the real world....

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf
 
Deuce said:
Oh look, a Republican claims the numbers are falsely inflated. I'm convinced.

It's an easy case to make. Show me the guidelines.
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They are here. Shockingly, the Republican is lying!
 
Barnacle said:
In the article ...

"In cases where a definite diagnosis of COVID cannot be made but is suspected or likely (e.g. the circumstances are compelling with a reasonable degree of certainty) it is acceptable to report COVID-19 on a death certificate as 'probable' or 'presumed.'"
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What's the problem with that? :confused:
 
Mashmont said:
Those socialists weren't in America at the time I was alive. Again, this virus is supposed to be killing zillions of Americans. And yet in your large city of 25 million, only 22 people have died. So are you buying into this fraud?
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Why are you so fixated by the number of deaths. It is more about the number of people that are hospitalized due to the pandemic and how imany people are sick with the symptoms of COVID and are recovering at home for up to three weeks. The virus has shut down the economy, and overwhelmed the hospitals. Can you understand that?
 
Barnacle said:
He gave a more detailed example in the article. But obviously you can't read more than 2 sentences. :lol:
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Yes, and his detailed example was also bull****. If the flu causes pneumonia, the UCOD is the flu, as it caused the pneumonia.

We've heard all about how the "flu" kills up to 80,000 or whatever per year. According to this Republican doctor, the correct number of deaths from the "flu" is approximately 0. If he wants to take that position, then perhaps there are also no or almost no deaths from CV19, but then we can't take this BS position for CV19 and still claim all these deaths from "the flu."

And this lying liar Republican hack straight up lied about the CDC guidelines for recording CV19 deaths. If you get run over by a bus, that's the UCOD, whether you have cancer, heart disease, or CV19 and he cannot quote anything from any guideline suggesting otherwise. Once he goes full lying shameless liar, everything else he says is equally suspect.
 
Michael Cole said:
I doubt that death certificates aren't reliable. Doctor's have no motive to falsify death certificates.

Malice was a good movie but it doesn't much happen in real life.
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I wasn't referring to malice, but just making mistakes, or incorrectly identifying the cause of death when it's unclear and there's no autopsy. I assume doctors do their best, but aren't going to spend an hour trying to figure out what killed someone when it's not important. My mother in law is 90. We may find out she's died in her sleep or watching TV. What will cause that? No doctor is going to spend any time figuring that out because we won't care and it's not relevant, so he'll make an educated guess, and it might be wrong - often is according to studies I've seen.

Same with COVID 19. The thousands of doctors making those calls aren't going to attribute deaths to CV19 when it's played no role in the death, IMO. There's no reason for it and the guidelines simply do NOT require it, no matter how many right wing lying liars allege that.
 
Mashmont said:
Dr. Birx is the source. She said any person with COVID who dies is being treated as a COVID death, regardless of the actual cause. That obviously means in some cases, something else was the true cause.
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I've heard the quote and that's not what she's saying. I've cited the guidelines...
 
Michael Cole said:
Indeed. Birx mentioned nothing about doctors. From the OP's own OP:

The federal government is classifying the deaths of patients infected with the coronavirus as COVID-19 deaths, regardless of any underlying health issues that could have contributed to the loss of someone's life.

It's the Fed's doing this, Mash. Trump. Trump's doing this. Not the communist media. Not the communist doctors. Trump.

Trump.
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The feds just compile data recorded on the death certificates and don't change the cause of death reported on them.

I'm sure the distinction Birx was trying to make was we in the U.S. aren't deliberately MISclassifying COVID 19 deaths as pneumonia, for example. If CV was the precipitating event, then it's properly recorded as the UCOD, regardless of what underlying health issue might have contributed to the death.
 
Mashmont said:
And then if I hadn’t linked it, you’d be screaming “Where’s the proof?” You people always play some game.
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You didn’t furnish anything like proof.

You took two articles, neither of which suggested any sort of “chicanery” at all, and made a claim that you heard on a right wing talk radio show.

You made a prize fool of yourself the last time. Insulting and assaulting virtually everyone on this forum with your whistling past the graveyard nonsense.

Your principal claim, which you congratulated yourself on repeatedly, has been tragically disproven by events.

There is no reason in the world why anyone would pay attention to this latest nonsense of yours.
 
TomFitz said:
You didn’t furnish anything like proof.

You took two articles, neither of which suggested any sort of “chicanery” at all, and made a claim that you heard on a right wing talk radio show.

You made a prize fool of yourself the last time. Insulting and assaulting virtually everyone on this forum with your whistling past the graveyard nonsense.

Your principal claim, which you congratulated yourself on repeatedly, has been tragically disproven by events.

There is no reason in the world why anyone would pay attention to this latest nonsense of yours.
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There is one reason. Amusement.
 
Acadia said:
As Dr. Birx clarified, if someone dies from cancer/kidney failure/congestive heart failure, but is covid-19 positive at the time of death, their cause of death will be recorded as covid-19.
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Wait...are you suggesting, that as mentioned REPEATEDLY over and over by the MSM...that covid 19 kills elderly, immune difficient...and people with other underlying health issues?
 
Michael Cole said:
The federal government is classifying the deaths of patients infected with the coronavirus as COVID-19 deaths, regardless of any underlying health issues that could have contributed to the loss of someone's life.

Last I checked, Trump was in charge of the federal government.
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Well, then you'd better check again. Presidents don't and can't control every aspect of government. You can't flush out all the deep state leftwing cockroaches.
 
TomFitz said:
You didn’t furnish anything like proof.

You took two articles, neither of which suggested any sort of “chicanery” at all, and made a claim that you heard on a right wing talk radio show.

You made a prize fool of yourself the last time. Insulting and assaulting virtually everyone on this forum with your whistling past the graveyard nonsense.

Your principal claim, which you congratulated yourself on repeatedly, has been tragically disproven by events.

There is no reason in the world why anyone would pay attention to this latest nonsense of yours.
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Today is April 10, before Easter week. I'm well-pleased we are at the top of the curve on new COVID-19 cases and have been for six days now. Also very pleased Dr. Fauci has adjusted his wild unsubstantiated estimates of "200,000 deaths if we do nothing" and has cut that estimate to 30% of what it was. Who are really the experts? Not Dr. Fauci.
 
3leftsdoo said:
The old fad = Blaming Trump for everything

The new fad = Blaming Trump for everything & saying the WuFlu killed everybody
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LOL, WuFlu. I like that name. The SJWs would go ape if it took hold. WuFlu.....LMAO
 
Mashmont said:
Today is April 10, before Easter week. I'm well-pleased we are at the top of the curve on new COVID-19 cases and have been for six days now. Also very pleased Dr. Fauci has adjusted his wild unsubstantiated estimates of "200,000 deaths if we do nothing" and has cut that estimate to 30% of what it was. Who are really the experts? Not Dr. Fauci.
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/// Who are the experts? Not Dr. Fauci. ///:lamo :laughat::laughat::laughat:
 
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