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[W:520]Chicanery in COVID-19 Reporting? Two Things that Seem VERY Fishy!

Phys251 said:
Those two cockroaches are yelling "fire" in a crowded theater. Their disinformation is a threat to our physical safety.
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they have literally caused death.
 
Mashmont loses yet again!
 
zyzygy said:
Nope. Perhaps Mashmont should have a word with Mashmont.
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i get that Rush/Sean created a different reality for the base. but this guy is far beyond that. probably on purpose.
 
What I don't get is founded in the Latin, cui bono. Who benefits from a higher total or lower one? Trump could be faulted for downplaying the seriousness of the virus some months ago, but that's it. Who gains or loses by number of victims of the disease, unless some actors continue to screw up? Why do Sean or Rush care?
 
Hamish Howl said:
Since your predictions were so utterly wrong, here you are saying the data is corrupt because it doesn't conform to your predictions.
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I'm really happy it's April 9, and we are at the top of curve on new cases. Aren't you?
 
Mashmont said:
Ladies and gentlemen, I have questioned the veracity of COVID-19 cases and deaths recently. I was asking the questions "Who makes the call about cause of deaths and what criteria do they use?" "Who's monitoring these nameless faceless scorekeepers, and why should we implicitly trust their information?" "Are they inflating the numbers for political reasons?"

Now two stories have emerged that show my skepticism is justified. First is the classifying of EVERY death of a COVID-19 patient, regardless of actual cause of death, as a COVID-19 death. Why do this other than to inflate the numbers? The second is the mysterious disappearance of all other traditional ailments; heart trouble. strokes, gall bladder diseases. Strange, huh? This causes me to wonder if ALL deaths are being counted as COVID-19 related, whether the patient has COVID-19 or not. Again, we do not know. There is no watchdog, no monitor, no "controlling legal authority" to make sure there isn't funny business going on. And with the proven existence of the deep state, and given the hatred for Trump, one has to wonder.

"The federal government is classifying the deaths of patients infected with the coronavirus as COVID-19 deaths, regardless of any underlying health issues that could have contributed to the loss of someone's life. Dr. Deborah Birx, the response coordinator for the White House coronavirus task force, said the federal government is continuing to count the suspected COVID-19 deaths, despite other nations doing the opposite."

Birx says government is classifying all deaths of patients with coronavirus as '''COVID-19''' deaths, regardless of cause | Fox News

"What is striking is that many of the emergencies have disappeared.... In an informal Twitter poll by @angioplastyorg, an online community of cardiologists, almost half of the respondents reported that they are seeing a 40 percent to 60 percent reduction in admissions for heart attacks; about 20 percent reported more than a 60 percent reduction....And it may not just be heart attacks and strokes. Colleagues on Twitter report a decline in many other emergencies, including acute appendicitis and acute gall bladder disease."

Where Have All the Heart Attacks Gone? - The New York Times
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Beginning two weeks ago, I have asked this same question several times. I have yet to get an answer.

Are older people afflicted with Covid-19, who are already sick, dying of lung disease, obesity, pneumonia, diabetes, influenza, heart disease, etc. or are they dying because of Covid-19?
 
Deuce said:
You're just mad your predictions were absurdly wrong.
Do you think doctors are too stupid to figure out cause of death?
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Figuring out cause of death might not be in the interest of the hospitals which are hemorrhaging $$$ because of cancelled elective and non-life threatening procedures.

"Dr. Scott Jensen, a Minnesota family physician who is also a Republican state senator, ... "... under the CDC guidelines, a patient who died after being hit by a bus and tested positive for coronavirus would be listed as having presumed to have died from the virus regardless of whatever damage was caused by the bus.

... "Right now Medicare has determined that if you have a COVID-19 admission to the hospital you’ll get paid $13,000. If that COVID-19 patient goes on a ventilator, you get $39,000; three times as much. Nobody can tell me, after 35 years in the world of medicine, that sometimes those kinds of things [have] impact on what we do. ..."

Minnesota doctor blasts '''ridiculous''' CDC coronavirus death count guidelines | Fox News
 
Sandy Shanks said:
Beginning two weeks ago, I have asked this same question several times. I have yet to get an answer.

Are older people afflicted with Covid-19, who are already sick, dying of lung disease, obesity, pneumonia, diabetes, influenza, heart disease, etc. or are they dying because of Covid-19?
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Is someone dying of lung disease dying from smoking?
 
Nickyjo said:
What I don't get is founded in the Latin, cui bono. Who benefits from a higher total or lower one? Trump could be faulted for downplaying the seriousness of the virus some months ago, but that's it. Who gains or loses by number of victims of the disease, unless some actors continue to screw up? Why do Sean or Rush care?
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I don't know! I have asked myself that question a hundred times. Nothing makes any sense. To begin with, this is world-wide. This isn't happening just in the U.S. If there is something funny about all this, why is every major network playing along?
 
Barnacle said:
Figuring out cause of death might not be in the interest of the hospitals which are hemorrhaging $$$ because of cancelled elective and non-life threatening procedures.

"Dr. Scott Jensen, a Minnesota family physician who is also a Republican state senator, ... "... under the CDC guidelines, a patient who died after being hit by a bus and tested positive for coronavirus would be listed as having presumed to have died from the virus regardless of whatever damage was caused by the bus.

... "Right now Medicare has determined that if you have a COVID-19 admission to the hospital you’ll get paid $13,000. If that COVID-19 patient goes on a ventilator, you get $39,000; three times as much. Nobody can tell me, after 35 years in the world of medicine, that sometimes those kinds of things [have] impact on what we do. ..."

Minnesota doctor blasts '''ridiculous''' CDC coronavirus death count guidelines | Fox News
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It's real easy to trace bus crash statistics. If there were anything to this, that's what Jensen would have done, rather than hypothesize.
 
Barnacle said:
Figuring out cause of death might not be in the interest of the hospitals which are hemorrhaging $$$ because of cancelled elective and non-life threatening procedures.

"Dr. Scott Jensen, a Minnesota family physician who is also a Republican state senator, ... "... under the CDC guidelines, a patient who died after being hit by a bus and tested positive for coronavirus would be listed as having presumed to have died from the virus regardless of whatever damage was caused by the bus.

... "Right now Medicare has determined that if you have a COVID-19 admission to the hospital you’ll get paid $13,000. If that COVID-19 patient goes on a ventilator, you get $39,000; three times as much. Nobody can tell me, after 35 years in the world of medicine, that sometimes those kinds of things [have] impact on what we do. ..."

Minnesota doctor blasts '''ridiculous''' CDC coronavirus death count guidelines | Fox News
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Oh look, a Republican claims the numbers are falsely inflated. I'm convinced.

It's an easy case to make. Show me the guidelines.
 
Deuce said:
Oh look, a Republican claims the numbers are falsely inflated. I'm convinced.
It's an easy case to make. Show me the guidelines.
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In the article ...

"In cases where a definite diagnosis of COVID cannot be made but is suspected or likely (e.g. the circumstances are compelling with a reasonable degree of certainty) it is acceptable to report COVID-19 on a death certificate as 'probable' or 'presumed.'"
 
Barnacle said:
In the article ...

"In cases where a definite diagnosis of COVID cannot be made but is suspected or likely (e.g. the circumstances are compelling with a reasonable degree of certainty) it is acceptable to report COVID-19 on a death certificate as 'probable' or 'presumed.'"
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This does not support the "hit by a bus" claim at all.
 
Barnacle said:
In the article ...

"In cases where a definite diagnosis of COVID cannot be made but is suspected or likely (e.g. the circumstances are compelling with a reasonable degree of certainty) it is acceptable to report COVID-19 on a death certificate as 'probable' or 'presumed.'"
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Your complaint is that something diagnosed as "suspected or likely" is being reported as "probable or presumed?" Really?

So, someone whose skull was crushed under a bus is being reported as COVID-19 probable or presumed? Really?
 
Barnacle said:
He gave a more detailed example in the article. But obviously you can't read more than 2 sentences. :lol:
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Why would anyone want to read more? The claim is preposterous. I don't generally stick around for more bull**** when the opening line is bull****.
 
Mashmont said:
I seriously doubt it. Nobody here knows anybody who has it. I don't. It's an example of the media fooling the masses.
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Because you live in bum**** nowhere. Nobody I know has AIDS. I guess AIDS doesn't exist.
 
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