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[W:517] Sexual Hypocrisy

Angel's Top 20
Hollywood Sex Symbols
on Parade

The Thirties: Talkie Walkies

#18

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"the blonde bombshell"

Jean Harlow

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Glorification or Objectification?


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Previous Nominations
#20 Clara Bow
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-11.html#post1070126612
#19 Louise Brooks
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-12.html#post1070129726
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OldFatGuy said:
Oooo, a guamartarian. Go learn. Have you forgotten what you asked?
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"Go learn" is perfectly good English by the way.
When people don't know what they're talking about on one topic, they sometimes show that they don't know what they're talking about on another topic.
 
Angel said:
"Go learn" is perfectly good English by the way.
When people don't know what they're talking about on one topic, they sometimes show that they don't know what they're talking about on another topic.
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Guamartarians were a Shel Silverstein invention for prim and proper monsters in one of his children's songs and some of his illustrated poems for kids.
 
OldFatGuy said:
Yeah, all or nothing, intently superficial. Thy ego is weak.

The blind man picked up the hammer and saw. :lamo
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The word has a meaning, especially in the context of the thread. It doesn't mean, in this context, to look at something.
 
devildavid said:
I simply know what objectify means. It isn't what you or Angel say it means.
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devildavid said:
The word has a meaning, especially in the context of the thread. It doesn't mean, in this context, to look at something.
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Male gaze
In feminist theory, the male gaze is the act of depicting women and the world, in the visual arts and in literature, from a masculine, heterosexual perspective that presents and represents women as sexual objects for the pleasure of the male viewer.
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Male gaze - Wikipedia
 
The Male Gaze

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Male gaze
In feminist theory, the male gaze is the act of depicting women and the world, in the visual arts and in literature, from a masculine, heterosexual perspective that presents and represents women as sexual objects for the pleasure of the male viewer.
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Male gaze - Wikipedia

The Consequences of the “Male Gaze” and Sexual Objectification
https://ginacalnan.pbworks.com/f/themalegaze.pdf
 
devildavid said:
Still not one example of those who promote objectification who also deplore it. What does any of this have to do with the thread topic of hypocrisy? Who exactly is being a hypocrite?
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As you beat the dead horse, you've answered your own question.
 
devildavid said:
Still not one example of those who promote objectification who also deplore it. What does any of this have to do with the thread topic of hypocrisy? Who exactly is being a hypocrite?
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Do you deplore the sexual objectification of women? Have you enjoyed Hollywood movies of the past 100 years? If your answer to both of these questions is Yes, then you yourself are the "one example" you seek. But even if you give different answers to these two questions, the topic of this thread is rather the hypocritical American culture that sustains two contradictory values at one and the same time.
 
OldFatGuy said:
Guamartarians were a Shel Silverstein invention for prim and proper monsters in one of his children's songs and some of his illustrated poems for kids.
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You are still reading children's books?
 
zyzygy said:
You are still reading children's books?
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With great pleasure and 16 grandchildren.

Shel Silverstein is for all ages. "Where the Sidewalk Ends," a masterpiece for all ages. His big break was from Hugh Hefner who published Shel's risqué cartoons in Playboy, right next to some of the great science fictions stories of the best in Scifi. Plus fiction by luminaries like John Cheever, John Barth, Ron DeLilo, Alicia Stome who later cowrote the script for LA Confidential with author James Elroy, and many others.
 
Angel said:
Do you deplore the sexual objectification of women? Have you enjoyed Hollywood movies of the past 100 years? If your answer to both of these questions is Yes, then you yourself are the "one example" you seek. But even if you give different answers to these two questions, the topic of this thread is rather the hypocritical American culture that sustains two contradictory values at one and the same time.
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That is not the claim of the OP. It is that American culture does this. But you present no examples of how the culture as a whole does this. My opinion is not the equivalent of American culture. You have failed to demonstrate how the culture, in general, is both objectifying and deploring and that the very same sources are doing this. I am doing neither. I am not creating American culture, I am subject to it, just as you are. Yet you point the finger at something without even explaining how it got there. Who is responsible for everything from pin-ups to pornography? Are you? Did you produce it? Did American culture produce it spontaneously? Did we demand it? I didn't do any of that.

The hypocrisy is your delusion. American culture loves its objects and revels in them. Who are the hypocrites?
 
devildavid said:
That is not the claim of the OP. It is that American culture does this. But you present no examples of how the culture as a whole does this. My opinion is not the equivalent of American culture. You have failed to demonstrate how the culture, in general, is both objectifying and deploring and that the very same sources are doing this. I am doing neither. I am not creating American culture, I am subject to it, just as you are. Yet you point the finger at something without even explaining how it got there. Who is responsible for everything from pin-ups to pornography? Are you? Did you produce it? Did American culture produce it spontaneously? Did we demand it? I didn't do any of that.

The hypocrisy is your delusion. American culture loves its objects and revels in them. Who are the hypocrites?
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Read again. Better this time.

Angel said:
Sexual Hypocrisy

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Look up the meaning of the word "hypocrisy"

Then look at some of our pop cultural depictions of women

in movies and magazines

in commercial advertisements

on billboards, bus stop shelters, and the sides of buildings

and then tell me we deplore the sexual objectification of women

and then tell me why we must say we deplore the sexual objectification of women

and then tell me what's wrong with the sexual objectification of women

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Pop Culture is Pornography

Pop Culture is Pornography Promoted and Approved by Sexual Hypocrisy

What do you think about that as a thesis?

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devildavid said:
Still not one example of those who promote objectification who also deplore it. What does any of this have to do with the thread topic of hypocrisy? Who exactly is being a hypocrite?
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You appear to be confounded by this topic, David. Your first post to this thread was at #56 where you acknowledge the hypocrisy and post an old pop song that sexually objectifies women:
devildavid said:
When it comes to sex, men have always been and will always be hypocrites in all societies and in all cultures. Nothing to do with any particular culture at all. The biological urge rules. Protect my woman, have my way with yours. But as the song goes:

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"Who's making love to your old lady while you were out making love?" Indeed.

Then you go on a tear denying the sexual objectification of women.
Now you're denying the validity of generalizations about culture.

I'll just repeat what I told you at #105:
Angel said:
Read the OP. This thread is about the hypocrisy inherent to American culture -- at least to American culture of the last half-century -- of objectifying women, for aesthetic or sexual reasons, and at the same time, for political reasons, deploring the objectification of women.

Anything you look at is objectified.
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This answers your confused questions and cavils.
 
Still not one example of those who both promote and deplore objectification. No examples of hypocrisy at all in the OP. Just claims without supporting evidence.
 
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