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[W:517] Sexual Hypocrisy

False. Provide an example, as per my original request.
I don't have a dog in this hunt, but what about something like "she should be in the kitchen making me a sammich, not out getting an education and building a career." Of course not many people think that way anymore, but maybe that's a good example? It's gender driven but not sexual. At what point does "second-class citizen" turn into "object"? To me they're virtually indistinguishable.
 
False. Provide an example, as per my original request.

Objectification is an essential component of art and science, and in our treatment of non-human animals, and in every person's relation to his.her physical self.

Social Psychology of Representations
Formation and Transformation of Social Representations
Objectification is a more in-depth process, infusing anchored phenomena with a concrete reality. The idea of objectification is effectively expressed in Moscovici's claim that the phenomenon that is originally perceived in the process of anchoring becomes, in the process of objectification, conceived, that is, it becomes conceptualized as real. The interdependence and transformation of the anchored, i.e., the perceived phenomenon into an objectified, i.e., a conceived phenomenon, can be observed particularly in language. Naming embraces both anchoring and objectification. For example, the term like Freud's ‘Oedipus complex’ may be originally perceived as a strange and intellectual phenomenon and becomes associated with, or anchored to, the boy's jalousie of his father. Subsequently, through the use of ‘Oedipus complex’ in daily language, the term becomes objectified. It turns into designated ways in which relations between parents and children are organized, and it helps to interpret certain tensions in such relations and to refer to them as pathological symptoms. In other words, elements of scientific terminology turn into signs that correspond to a particular reality and become reified within that reality. Thus we may say about someone that he/she is stubborn or quarrelsome; through repeated use in language this label becomes conceived as a real feature of that person and subsequently, this ‘reality’ becomes incorporated into habitual social practices with respect to that individual.

Graphic representation is another form of objectifying ideas into entities. Written texts, posters, or pictures, all turn an idea into real graphic objects. Visual images in the press, advertisements, and campaigns are used to influence or change social representations of political or health issues. Visual images in the press have been particularly influential in staged photographs capturing public images about genetic engineering as injecting tomatoes with genes that make them grow bigger. Wagner and Hayes (2005: p. 181) comment that viewers associate images of genetically modified tomatoes with inoculation and with injecting foreign materials into human bodies as they know it from medicine and chemistry. There is also a related belief of infection that passes from one organism to another. These examples show that a new reality and new social representations are created by means of semiotic signs and symbols and their transformation.
Objectification - an overview | ScienceDirect Topics

Objectification Theory
The conclusions from these studies above communicate the wide-spread pervasiveness of objectification (sexual objectification of the human body) and self-objectification (sexual objectification of the human body and its comparison with yours) and connect back to the discussion concerning the need to monitor the conscious mind in order to influence the unconscious mind.
Body Objectification: The Psychology Behind This Epidemic | Psychology Today


Nature = Objects

One of the most prevalent ideas in science is that nature consists of objects. Of course the very practice of science is grounded in objectivity. We objectify nature so that we can measure it, test it, and study it, with the ultimate goal of unraveling its secrets. Doing so typically requires reducing natural phenomena to their component parts. Most zoologists, for example, think of animals in terms of genes, physiologies, species, and the like.

Yet this pervasive, centuries-old trend toward reductionism and objectification tends to prevent us from seeing nature as subjects, though there's no science to support such myopia. On the contrary, to give just one example, perhaps the deepest lesson cascading from Darwin's contributions is that all life on Earth, including us, arose from a single family tree. To date, however, this intellectual insight has yet to penetrate our hearts. Even those of us who fully embrace the notion of organic evolution tend to regard nature as resources to be exploited rather than relatives deserving of our respect.
Edge.org

Overcoming the objectification of nature
http://jan.ucc.nau.edu/~rar/papers/RogersWJC1998.pdf
 
By this definition, social hypocrisy may just be inevitable, especially in free societies. Some Americans want to legalize recreational marijuana, while others don't. Is our society hypocritical on marijuana then? Same thing with abortion, gun rights, or just about any other thing someone can have an opinion on. Maybe it's not reasonable to consider all of society as a single entity in this case. Some folks don't agree (or care) that leveraging a person's sex appeal objectifies them in all cases, so they continue putting it on billboards and magazine covers, while others do agree (and care) and are trying to stop it. I think it's only hypocritical if the same person is doing both at the same time.
 
This is exactly the point:

You go and gather your 300 million different opinions. I'm observing a culture as a whole. And the meaning of pornography I rely on is perfectly fine.
And finally, I'm not talking about "each and every American" -- I'm talking about American culture as a whole.

You have a point - quite a strong one. If one wants a solid indisputable example of 'pop culture' at its worst take a look at rap 'music'.
 
The hypocrisy is that of being a fiscal and a social conservative; liberals are generally not much better despite their affectations.
 
Would you kindly explain this distinction for the folks at home.
Gender: either of the two sexes (male and female), especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones.
Sexual: relating to the instincts, physiological processes, and activities connected with physical attraction or intimate physical contact between individuals.

Is that what you meant?
 
The hypocrisy is that of being a fiscal and a social conservative; liberals are generally not much better despite their affectations.
In keeping with the culture of non-sequiturs and perhaps at the same time settling an old score, let us ask socialism in the most courteous terms imaginable whether it can "prove" -- to use the term most favored by internet contrarians and con artists alike -- the existence of a material world?
 
I don't have a dog in this hunt, but what about something like "she should be in the kitchen making me a sammich, not out getting an education and building a career." Of course not many people think that way anymore, but maybe that's a good example? It's gender driven but not sexual. At what point does "second-class citizen" turn into "object"? To me they're virtually indistinguishable.

That's all about controlling her sexuality and dominating it. It's all about owning that *****.
 
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Objectification is an essential component of art and science, and in our treatment of non-human animals, and in every person's relation to his.her physical self.

Social Psychology of Representations

Objectification - an overview | ScienceDirect Topics

Objectification Theory

Body Objectification: The Psychology Behind This Epidemic | Psychology Today


Nature = Objects


Edge.org

Overcoming the objectification of nature
http://jan.ucc.nau.edu/~rar/papers/RogersWJC1998.pdf



That's a huge load of crap and most unimpressive. You weren't able to comprehend any of that sufficiently to produce your own argument?

All objectification is sexual.
 
That's a huge load of crap and most unimpressive. You weren't able to comprehend any of that sufficiently to produce your own argument?

All objectification is sexual.
Did you miss this?
Objectification is an essential component of art and science, and in our treatment of non-human animals, and in every person's relation to his.her physical self
Those were my own words.

I don't understand your persistence. We objectify animals that we kill for sport or raise for food. Is that sexual?
Artists objectify their experiences on canvas, on paper, in stone. Is that sexual?
Science objectifies our experience of the world. Is that sexual?

If your answer is Yes to any or all of these questions, please explain to us how these objectifications are sexual.
 
Did you miss this?

Those were my own words.

Totally false. Any science based on objectification is fatally flawed. One must recognize human beings in all of their capacity to understand things. It would be a most grotesque perversion of science to view humans as objects and no fruit, scientific or other, could come from such a myopic and ignorant approach.

You've confused terms. Objectification does not mean objectivity. The former is a projection and the latter an internalization. They're virtually opposites.
 
Totally false. Any science based on objectification is fatally flawed. One must recognize human beings in all of their capacity to understand things. It would be a most grotesque perversion of science to view humans as objects and no fruit, scientific or other, could come from such a myopic and ignorant approach.

You've confused terms. Objectification does not mean objectivity. The former is a projection and the latter an internalization. They're virtually opposites.
Setting aside your idiosyncratic notion of science for the moment, you have not explained to us how objectifying non-human animals is sexual, or how the very essence of artistic expression is sexual.
 
That's all about controlling her sexuality and dominating it. It's all about owning that *****.

Or "owning his paycheck". Not to mention "owning his know-how". It runs both ways.
 
Setting aside your idiosyncratic notion of science for the moment, you have not explained to us how objectifying non-human animals is sexual, or how the very essence of artistic expression is sexual.

Fine. Objectifying humans is always sexual. Objectifying animals is merely pathological and a symptom of the objectification of humans. This is why the abuse of animals is the biggest red flag for sociopathy. All human objectification is sexual.

Art is not objectification. Art is the expression of the full range of human emotions.
 
The real hypocrisy is that we live in a prudish society that is simultaneously afraid to admit its very sexually desirous nature.

That some people objectify while others deplore objectification isn't hypocrisy, it is just a contradiction inherent in our pop culture.

Subject-object consciousness comes from consumption of pop culture because there is no real engagement. It's just one person consuming the goods (including image) of another person. Subject-subject consciousness, where you really get to know someone, bears out in interpersonal relationships.
 
Or "owning his paycheck". Not to mention "owning his know-how". It runs both ways.

It doesn't run both ways. Patriarchy is a one sided affair.
 
Fine. Objectifying humans is always sexual. Objectifying animals is merely pathological and a symptom of the objectification of humans. This is why the abuse of animals is the biggest red flag for sociopathy.

Art is not objectification. Art is the expression of the full range of human emotions.

Actually objectifying humans is often NOT sexual. This "equality" scheme has the effect of making people interchangeable like light bulbs. If we are all the same, we are just a commodity like gasoline.
 
Actually objectifying humans is often NOT sexual.

False. And you're Exhibit A.


This "equality" scheme has the effect of making people interchangeable like light bulbs. If we are all the same, we are just a commodity like gasoline.

Your concept of "equality" is insane victim narrative.
 
False. And you're Exhibit A.




Your concept of "equality" is insane victim narrative.

Tell that to the laid off IT worker whose job is being done (poorly) by an offshore resource at 10% of the pay.
 
Women have choices; men have responsibilities.

False.

Men control all the power and women must fight for every word they get in. Men have all the options and the power structure behind them. Women are treated like second class citizens.

You are not a victim of women.
 
Tell that to the laid off IT worker whose job is being done (poorly) by an offshore resource at 10% of the pay.

He chose poorly. He needs to take personal responsibility and stop blaming everyone else. If he learns, maybe he'll find a better job next time. Or he can go through life as a loser blaming everyone else.
 
Tell that to the laid off IT worker whose job is being done (poorly) by an offshore resource at 10% of the pay.

When your life wasn't working for you, what happened? You made a change, right? It wasn't easy, but you did it. You made things your way and found your niche. Same thing with me. I became an environmentalist at age 30. It wasn't easy. Everyone in my generation scoffed at me. I'm the only vegan I've ever known my whole life. But I became the change I wanted to see. You became the change you wanted to see. And the IT guy is under the same obligation we were. No one could do it for us and no one can do it for him.

Personal responsibility and be the change.

Stop apologzing for losers and blaming others.
 
Sexual Hypocrisy

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Look up the meaning of the word "hypocrisy"

Then look at some of our pop cultural depictions of women

in movies and magazines

in commercial advertisements

on billboards, bus stop shelters, and the sides of buildings

and then tell me we deplore the sexual objectification of women

and then tell me why we must say we deplore the sexual objectification of women

and then tell me what's wrong with the sexual objectification of women

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Pop Culture is Pornography

Pop Culture is Pornography Promoted and Approved by Sexual Hypocrisy

What do you think about that as a thesis?



Both men and women use their sexuality to market themselves. Speaking of women, specifically most are mothers, sisters, and significant others. All should be treated with respect. If their profession bothers you, don't watch their shows, go see them dance, or hire them as your companions.
 
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