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[W:517] Sexual Hypocrisy

No you haven't answered it....
Yes, I have answered it, four times in the last ten posts and in numerous posts throughout this thread. I'm not interested in your narrow uncritical definition of "hypocrisy"; and you're not interested in mine, in broadening your perspective. So, as I've already indicated, we're done talking. Please respect that wish. Thank you.
 
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Yes, I have answered it, four times in the last ten posts and in numerous posts throughout this thread. I'm not interested in your narrow uncritical definition of "hypocrisy"; and you're not interested in mine, in broadening your perspective. So, as I've already indicated, we're done talking. Please respect that wish. Thank you.

No Angel, you haven't. You've said what you think to be hypocrisy but I've refuted that.

Now tell me something in the real world you see as sexual hypocrisy and why you think it is so.

I can give you examples of individuals, like the cheating pastor, but not of organisations.



Edit: The Catholic church trying to cover up known predatory pedophile priest over the years could be accused of hypocrisy.
 
No Angel, you haven't. You've said what you think to be hypocrisy but I've refuted that....
"Refuted"? The only thing you've "refuted" is your belief that your posts are thoughtful good-faith posts. We have nothing to discuss, you and I.
 
"Refuted"? The only thing you've "refuted" is your belief that your posts are thoughtful good-faith posts. We have nothing to discuss, you and I.

Then withdraw your claim that there's sexual hypocrisy in the world, or just the USA, on a grand scale.

The USA, much less the world, does not speak with a homogeneous voice.


And no, you examples of sexual hypocrisy were all refuted since you refuse to back them up with any examples or evidence.
 
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#20 Clara Bow
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-11.html#post1070126612
#19 Louise Brooks
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-12.html#post1070129726
#18 Jean Harlow
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-16.html#post1070134570
#17 Marlene Dietrich
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-19.html#post1070146716
#16 Dorothy Lamour
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-20.html#post1070150130
#15 Betty Grable
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-21.html#post1070157530
#14 Jane Russell
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-22.html#post1070164436
#13 Jayne Mansfield
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-23.html#post1070169165
#12 Marilyn Monroe
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-24.html#post1070176581
#11 Raquel Welch
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-25.html#post1070188023
#10 Natalie Wood
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-26.html#post1070200362
#9 Pam Grier
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-28.html#post1070205058
#8 Bo Derek
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-30.html#post1070223425
#7 Sharon Stone
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-31.html#post1070240028
#6 Jessica Alba
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-32.html#post1070273040
#5 Halle Berry
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-33.html#post1070315436
#4 Scarlett Johansson
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-34.html#post1070353290
#3 Angelina Jolie
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-35.html#post1070442433
#2 Jennifer Lawrence
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-36.html#post1070490680
#1 Jason Momoa
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-40.html#post1070504108

Glorification or Objectification?


 
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#20 Clara Bow
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-11.html#post1070126612
#19 Louise Brooks
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-12.html#post1070129726
#18 Jean Harlow
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-16.html#post1070134570
#17 Marlene Dietrich
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-19.html#post1070146716
#16 Dorothy Lamour
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-20.html#post1070150130
#15 Betty Grable
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-21.html#post1070157530
#14 Jane Russell
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-22.html#post1070164436
#13 Jayne Mansfield
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-23.html#post1070169165
#12 Marilyn Monroe
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-24.html#post1070176581
#11 Raquel Welch
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-25.html#post1070188023
#10 Natalie Wood
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-26.html#post1070200362
#9 Pam Grier
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-28.html#post1070205058
#8 Bo Derek
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-30.html#post1070223425
#7 Sharon Stone
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-31.html#post1070240028
#6 Jessica Alba
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-32.html#post1070273040
#5 Halle Berry
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-33.html#post1070315436
#4 Scarlett Johansson
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-34.html#post1070353290
#3 Angelina Jolie
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-35.html#post1070442433
#2 Jennifer Lawrence
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-36.html#post1070490680
#1 Jason Momoa
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-40.html#post1070504108

Glorification or Objectification?




But WHERE is the hypocrisy???

Has Hollywood, in so much as it can speak with one voice said this was bad whilst doing it anyway.

Do you even know what the term "hypocrisy" means?
 
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"The unexamined life is not worth living."
Pike Bishop
 
What don't you understand in my last post to you?

The lack of what was asked for.

What is hypocritical in the USA today sexually and why is it hypocritical? Don't just paste a picture of a young, scantily clad woman. Actually explain what you mean.

Note: A church calling for an end to the use of sex in marketing and an ad company using said scantily clad woman is NOT hypocrisy. It would only be hypocrisy if the ad company had echoed the words of the church first.
 
The lack of what was asked for.

What is hypocritical in the USA today sexually and why is it hypocritical? Don't just paste a picture of a young, scantily clad woman. Actually explain what you mean.

Note: A church calling for an end to the use of sex in marketing and an ad company using said scantily clad woman is NOT hypocrisy. It would only be hypocrisy if the ad company had echoed the words of the church first.
We're done, friend. Stop with the pestiferous posts and read through the thread for your answers -- they're all there.
 
We're done, friend. Stop with the pestiferous posts and read through the thread for your answers -- they're all there.

No they're not - you're playing Elvira's game now

Your idea of sexual hypocrisy is one group saying one thing and another doing the contrary. The USA does not speak with one voice,

The most hypocritical groups in the USA are the Catholic church willfully covering up sexual abuse by priests and cheating TV pastors preaching fidelity.
 
No they're not - you're playing Elvira's game now

Your idea of sexual hypocrisy is one group saying one thing and another doing the contrary. The USA does not speak with one voice,

The most hypocritical groups in the USA are the Catholic church willfully covering up sexual abuse by priests and cheating TV pastors preaching fidelity.
We're done, friend. Stop with the pestiferous posts and read through the thread for your answers -- they're all there.
 
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#20 Clara Bow
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-11.html#post1070126612
#19 Louise Brooks
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-12.html#post1070129726
#18 Jean Harlow
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-16.html#post1070134570
#17 Marlene Dietrich
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-19.html#post1070146716
#16 Dorothy Lamour
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-20.html#post1070150130
#15 Betty Grable
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-21.html#post1070157530
#14 Jane Russell
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-22.html#post1070164436
#13 Jayne Mansfield
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-23.html#post1070169165
#12 Marilyn Monroe
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-24.html#post1070176581
#11 Raquel Welch
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-25.html#post1070188023
#10 Natalie Wood
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-26.html#post1070200362
#9 Pam Grier
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-28.html#post1070205058
#8 Bo Derek
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-30.html#post1070223425
#7 Sharon Stone
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-31.html#post1070240028
#6 Jessica Alba
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-32.html#post1070273040
#5 Halle Berry
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-33.html#post1070315436
#4 Scarlett Johansson
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-34.html#post1070353290
#3 Angelina Jolie
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-35.html#post1070442433
#2 Jennifer Lawrence
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-36.html#post1070490680
#1 Jason Momoa
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-40.html#post1070504108

Glorification or Objectification?



Glorification or Objectification?

That is the question.

Now there are four ways to answer the question.

Three are hypocritical.
 
5 Ways to Spot the Hypocrites in Your Life
The social psychology of topics like deception, cognitive dissonance (where attitudes and behavior conflict), person perception, and relationship quality all relate to hypocrisy. In fact, University of Southern California Professor Jesse Graham and colleagues (2015), citing earlier work, note that “that the entire field of social psychology could be called the science of moral hypocrisy” (p. 158). That’s a pretty strong statement, but the team convincingly provides evidence to can back it up.

The focus of the Graham et al. analysis is moral hypocrisy. Either consciously or not, people deceptively claim to adhere to a set of principles, but do not act (or even necessarily think) in ways consistent with those principles. They call moral hypocrisy “The Construct with a Thousand Faces”—in other words, it comes in many forms. Their definition, to be precise, is to break from your own moral standard, whether you state it publicly or not.

Much of the research, the USC team believes, can fit into three categories—moral duplicity; moral double standards; and moral weakness.
5 Ways to Spot the Hypocrites in Your Life | Psychology Today

What Constitutes Hypocrisy? Moving Towards A Typology
While the literature on hypocrisy focuses almost exclusively on the inconsistency involved in hypocritical behaviour, it is clear that other factors may be sufficiently constitutive of hypocrisy. Therefore, a broader conception of the term may be needed. Psychologists have only addressed this issue in passing, but a number of philosophers have tackled it directly.
Asymmetries in perceptions of self and others’ hypocrisy: Rethinking the meaning and perception of the construct
 
Oh! Look, a male has just managed to figure out women are sexually objectified.

And laughably he blames it on pop culture.

Like it hasn't been around since, well, forever.

There is a big difference between pornography happening, and society approving of and promoting pornography, which is what we have now.
 
We're done, friend. Stop with the pestiferous posts and read through the thread for your answers -- they're all there.

No they're not - you're playing Elvira's game now

Your idea of sexual hypocrisy is one group saying one thing and another doing the contrary. The USA does not speak with one voice,

The most hypocritical groups in the USA are the Catholic church willfully covering up sexual abuse by priests and cheating TV pastors preaching fidelity.
 
There is a big difference between pornography happening, and society approving of and promoting pornography, which is what we have now.

What is pornography to you and can you give an example of it - because Angel can't or won't

What is your idea of pornography and why does it make anyone or any institution hypocritical?
 
There is a big difference between pornography happening, and society approving of and promoting pornography, which is what we have now.

Pornography in itself as simply the viewing of sexually explicit material is not necessarily a bad thing. Where it is a bad thing is where it becomes exploitation of those involved in it.
 
Pornography in itself as simply the viewing of sexually explicit material is not necessarily a bad thing. Where it is a bad thing is where it becomes exploitation of those involved in it.

I don't think "sexual explicit material" is a good definition of pornography.


That might include an image of a woman displaying her navel.
 
I don't think "sexual explicit material" is a good definition of pornography.


That might include an image of a woman displaying her navel.

If someone is turned on by navels then good for them.

I agree, which is why i did not use the word "define". But made the point that it is viewing material one finds sexually explicit, navels included.
 
If someone is turned on by navels then good for them....

You are aware that a woman showing her navel on TV was banned in the 50's and into the 60's ?

Look up still of the US TV show "I Love Jeannie" to see how the TV company could expose her midriff but not her navel (though a couple of times there was an unfortunate wardrobe malfunction)


...I agree, which is why i did not use the word "define". But made the point that it is viewing material one finds sexually explicit, navels included.

Again what do you define as "explicit" or more to the point, what is your criteria for this?
 
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#20 Clara Bow
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-11.html#post1070126612
#19 Louise Brooks
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-12.html#post1070129726
#18 Jean Harlow
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-16.html#post1070134570
#17 Marlene Dietrich
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-19.html#post1070146716
#16 Dorothy Lamour
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-20.html#post1070150130
#15 Betty Grable
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-21.html#post1070157530
#14 Jane Russell
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-22.html#post1070164436
#13 Jayne Mansfield
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-23.html#post1070169165
#12 Marilyn Monroe
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-24.html#post1070176581
#11 Raquel Welch
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-25.html#post1070188023
#10 Natalie Wood
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-26.html#post1070200362
#9 Pam Grier
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-28.html#post1070205058
#8 Bo Derek
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-30.html#post1070223425
#7 Sharon Stone
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-31.html#post1070240028
#6 Jessica Alba
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-32.html#post1070273040
#5 Halle Berry
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-33.html#post1070315436
#4 Scarlett Johansson
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-34.html#post1070353290
#3 Angelina Jolie
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-35.html#post1070442433
#2 Jennifer Lawrence
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-36.html#post1070490680
#1 Jason Momoa
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-40.html#post1070504108

Glorification or Objectification?


Glorification or Objectification?

That is the question.

Now there are four ways to answer the question.

Three are hypocritical.

Oy!

Glorification or Objectification?

No one besides OldFatGuy with the gumption to answer this question?

A question reiterated hundreds of times in the course of the thread.

There are 4 ways to answer the question.

One way is correct and free of hypocrisy.
 
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