[W:517] Sexual Hypocrisy

[Crusader13]

What nonsense to make the connection between metoo and fifty shades. In fact it is totally the opposite, metoo is about the lack of freedom/pressuring women into doing things they do not want/abusing/misusing them where as fifty shades is about VOLUNTARY sex.

Fifty shades is about a man convincing a woman she's good for nothing but sex. Her emotions and personal afflictions are suppressed to the point of non-existence, where the man eventually uses her body for pleasure and nothing more. And the woman, reluctant at first, insisting that she's more than just a piece of meat, eventually gives in and enjoys it.

Sorry, but a woman who condones or enjoys this sort of nonsense cannot use the same mouth to condemn 'toxic masculinity'. Imagine if there was a book about a white supremacist enslaving a black man and manipulating him to the point where he believes his own black race is inferior and slavery is the only thing he's good for. Somehow I don't think it would get the same pass as you're giving fifty shades. Nor should it, because it's a book that promotes and glorifies the epitome of bad, discriminatory behavior. \

Heaven forbid anyone have any sort of sexual morals today. Seems like it's OK to tell people what to say, what not to say, what to think etc but not who to sleep with.

 

[Angel]

Topic Mnemonic​

Sexual Hypocrisy

Look up the meaning of the word "hypocrisy"

Then look at some of our pop cultural depictions of women

in movies and magazines

in commercial advertisements

on billboards, bus stop shelters, and the sides of buildings

and then tell me we deplore the sexual objectification of women

and then tell me why we must say we deplore the sexual objectification of women

and then tell me what's wrong with the sexual objectification of women

Pop Culture is Pornography

Pop Culture is Pornography Promoted and Approved by Sexual Hypocrisy

What do you think about that as a thesis?

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I think the thesis grand. Hypocrisy has become a way of life here in America. Ingrained in the national character. like the love of freedom and the inclination to violence.

 

[Angel]

Angel's Top 20
Hollywood Sex Symbols
on Parade

The Nineties: Sleazy Does It, America!

#7

"You know I don't like to wear any underwear, don't you, Nick?"

Sharon Stone

Glorification or Objectification?




#20 Clara Bow
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-11.html#post1070126612
#19 Louise Brooks
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-12.html#post1070129726
#18 Jean Harlow
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-16.html#post1070134570
#17 Marlene Dietrich
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-19.html#post1070146716
#16 Dorothy Lamour
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-20.html#post1070150130
#15 Betty Grable
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-21.html#post1070157530
#14 Jane Russell
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-22.html#post1070164436
#13 Jayne Mansfield
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-23.html#post1070169165
#12 Marilyn Monroe
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-24.html#post1070176581
#11 Raquel Welch
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-25.html#post1070188023
#10 Natalie Wood
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-26.html#post1070200362
#9 Pam Grier
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-28.html#post1070205058
#8 Bo Derek
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-30.html#post1070223425​

 

[Angel]

Max Bialystock, Producer

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"So what are you saying, bubala? That sexual objectification is a bad thing? But that's just what makes the world go round—sexual objectification! It's the chirp and buzz of the birds and the bees. It's all of art and romance and poetry. It's at the bottom of evolution and revolution and constitution. Kowtow to the man-haters and cranks if you feel you must, if it makes you feel part if the political in-crowd, but if you really think for one moment that sexual objectification is not the very motor of civilization, then you got another think coming. And if you actually enjoy sexual objectification on the one hand, and condemn it on the other, then you're a goddamn hypocrite, and I say this from the heart, with the greatest affection, as to someone dear to me yet hopelessly confused. If sexual objectification, whether of women or of men, or of both, has entertained you all your life, but you now feel obliged, in order to appear enlightened or progressive or what have you—if you now feel compelled, I say, to denounce sexual objectification in public, in conversation, in social media and whatnot, after enjoying it your whole life or perhaps even while still secretly enjoying it, then you're a sexual hypocrite, and that's all there is to it."
—from Prisoners of Love

 

[Angel]

Sexual Hypocrisy

Look up the meaning of the word "hypocrisy"​

HYPOCRISY

Etymology

From Middle English ipocrisie, from Old French ypocrisie, from Late Latin hypocrisis, from Ancient Greek ὑπόκρισις (hupókrisis, “answer, stage acting, pretense”), from ὑποκρίνομαι (hupokrínomai, “I reply”), from ὑπό (hupó, “under, equivalent of the modern "hypo-" prefix”) + the middle voice of κρίνω (krínō, “I separate, judge, decide”).



Noun

hypocrisy (countable and uncountable, plural hypocrisies)

1. The contrivance of a false appearance of virtue or goodness, while concealing real character or inclinations, especially with respect to religious and moral beliefs; hence in general sense, dissimulation, pretence, sham.
2. The claim or pretense of having beliefs, standards, qualities, behaviours, virtues, motivations, etc. which one does not actually have. [from early 13th c.]
3. The practice of engaging in the same behaviour or activity for which one criticises another; moral self-contradiction whereby the behavior of one or more people belies their own claimed or implied possession of certain beliefs, standards or virtues.
4. An instance of any or all of the above.

hypocrisy - Wiktionary

 

[it's just me]

Angel's Favorite Marilyn Photo

Check out the tile of the book!​

Look at what she's reading.

She was one in a trillion.

 

[Angel]

...She was one in a trillion.

Studio version with stills:

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Live version with movie and newsreel clips:

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[Angel]

Gender Hypocrisy in Porn Debate

The ubiquity of male porn use has become the current battleground of a huge cultural war. People are afraid of the consequences of porn use and fear that it damages men, their brains, their sexual performance, their attitudes towards women, intimacy, and sex. The dialogue has changed, since the days of Take Back The Night, when Andrea Dworkin declared that pornography was rape, and should be restricted. Today, feminist values and perspectives still permeate the anti-porn debate, but they serve as a backdrop for the argument that porn is an addictive stimulus that overrides our natural evolutionary responses, changing our brains and bodies. Porn is presented as scary, insidious and deceptive. We are told to “be afraid, be very afraid” of what porn is doing to men.

The new Joseph Gordon-Levitt film Don Jon tells a different message, and suggests that the real problem with porn is not that it is scary, but that it is free, convenient, and offers men a discounted option to the high cost of sex.... Baumeister and Twenge wrote a fascinating article in 2002 where they argue that it is actually women who suppress the sexuality of other women, not men. Their argument suggests that control of sexuality was historically one of women’s only commodities, and that women had to control the market, so to speak, by stigmatizing, shaming and suppressing those who might offer free, easy, or cheap sex. This reiterates the old argument that women have to defend the value of sex, because “nobody buys a cow, if it gives away the milk for free.”

Gender Hypocrisy in Porn Debate | Psychology Today

Cultural Suppression of Female Sexuality
Roy F. Baumeister
Case Western Reserve University
Jean M. Twenge
San Diego State University

Four theories about cultural suppression of female sexuality are evaluated. Data are reviewed on cross-cultural differences in power and sex ratios, reactions to the sexual revolution, direct restraining influences on adolescent and adult female sexuality, double standard patterns of sexual morality, female genital surgery, legal and religious restrictions on sex, prostitution and pornography, and sexual deception. The view that men suppress female sexuality received hardly any support and is flatly contradicted by some findings. Instead, the evidence favors the view that women have worked to stifle each other’s sexuality because sex is a limited resource that women use to negotiatewith men, and scarcity gives women an advantage

http://www.femininebeauty.info/suppression.pdf

 

[Angel]

Twitch's hypocritical nudity policy
Why is bloody violence OK, but a shower simulator with a message not?

The argument over violence and sexuality is one of the oldest and most pervasive in media. Why is the topic of sex more uncomfortable than violence? Is it because people truly believe that sex is harmful to impressionable young minds? Or is it simply a holdover from the days when discussion of sex was taboo? Regardless, the fact that Twitch allows the broadcast of adult games containing bloody violence while simultaneously banning similarly adult but arguably just as artistically warranted nudity is a gross hypocrisy.

Twitch’s hypocritical nudity policy shows it’s out of touch with the modern world | Ars Technica

 

[Angel]

Fifty shades is about a man convincing a woman she's good for nothing but sex. Her emotions and personal afflictions are suppressed to the point of non-existence, where the man eventually uses her body for pleasure and nothing more. And the woman, reluctant at first, insisting that she's more than just a piece of meat, eventually gives in and enjoys it.

Sorry, but a woman who condones or enjoys this sort of nonsense cannot use the same mouth to condemn 'toxic masculinity'. Imagine if there was a book about a white supremacist enslaving a black man and manipulating him to the point where he believes his own black race is inferior and slavery is the only thing he's good for. Somehow I don't think it would get the same pass as you're giving fifty shades. Nor should it, because it's a book that promotes and glorifies the epitome of bad, discriminatory behavior. \

Heaven forbid anyone have any sort of sexual morals today. Seems like it's OK to tell people what to say, what not to say, what to think etc but not who to sleep with.

"Fifty Shades of Hypocrisy." That's the title of America's sequel to "The Sexual Revolution."
Hypocrisy has become a franchise in America.

 

[Angel]

Angel's Top 20
Hollywood Sex Symbols
on Parade

21st Century Foxes: Our Guilty Pleasures

#6

#1 on Maxim's Hot 100 Babe List in 2001

Jessica Alba

Glorification or Objectification?




#20 Clara Bow
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-11.html#post1070126612
#19 Louise Brooks
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-12.html#post1070129726
#18 Jean Harlow
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-16.html#post1070134570
#17 Marlene Dietrich
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-19.html#post1070146716
#16 Dorothy Lamour
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-20.html#post1070150130
#15 Betty Grable
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-21.html#post1070157530
#14 Jane Russell
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-22.html#post1070164436
#13 Jayne Mansfield
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-23.html#post1070169165
#12 Marilyn Monroe
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-24.html#post1070176581
#11 Raquel Welch
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-25.html#post1070188023
#10 Natalie Wood
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-26.html#post1070200362
#9 Pam Grier
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-28.html#post1070205058
#8 Bo Derek
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-30.html#post1070223425
#7 Sharon Stone
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-31.html#post1070240028​

 

[Angel]

Sexual objectification
a philosophical overview​

Sex and Sexuality

2.2.2 Objectification
Sexual objectification is treating or considering a person only as a sex object. Casual sex, watching pornography, catcalling, ogling, and other examples all allegedly involve sexual objectification. The “only” is important because otherwise there is no basis for moral complaint given that we frequently treat each other as objects. It is unclear whether objectification can consist of mere mental regard or whether it must have a treatment component (ogling someone is interesting because it is unclear whether it is treatment or mere regard). Some philosophers (Papadaki 2017; Langton 2009; Nussbaum 1995) define “sexual objectification” broadly enough to include mere regard (others, e.g., LeMoncheck [1985: ch. 1] do not). The inclusion of regard is wise because objectification seems to involve mere attitudes and perceptions (e.g., ogling, the regard found in watching pornography). X then sexually objectifies Y if, and only if, X treats or regards Y only as a sexual object.

Sexual desire objectifies by its nature because when X sexually desires Y, X desires Y’s body and body parts, especially the sexual ones, making it hard, if not impossible, to treat the humanity in Y as an end (Kant 1930 [1963: 164]). Only sexual desire among our inclinations is directed at human beings as such, not “their work and services” (Kant 1930 [1963: 163]).... The phenomenology of sexual desire seems to confirm Kant’s point: The “other’s body, his or her lips, thighs, buttocks, and toes, are desired as the arousing parts they are, distinct from the person” (Soble 2013b: 302).

Sex and Sexuality (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

 

[Angel]

Dimensions of Hypocrisy

Hypocrisy is a complex, multi-faceted concept, and the elements that are required to call an action "hypocritical" have been debated extensively by philosophers (Crisp and Cowton, 1994; Kittay, 1982; McKinnon, 1991; Shklar, 1985; Szabados and Soifer, 2004; Turner, 1990). Most investigators agree that hypocrisy involves some sort of inconsistency, and that hypocritical behaviors advance the actor's self-interests. Hypocrites are people who implicitly or explicitly endorse principles that their behavior contradicts. Inconsistency by itself, however, does not necessarily denote hypocrisy.

Some philosophers have conjectured that hypocrisy also requires inauthenticity or the intent to deceive (Kittay, 1982; Szabados and Soifer, 1999). This is the salient characteristic of both history's and literature's most notorious hypocrites.... Two other unresolved questions in the philosophical literature on hypocrisy concern the roles of weakness of will (May & Holton, forthcoming; Szabados & Soifer, 1999) and self-deception.

https://philarchive.org/archive/ALIHWCv1


The Fight Over Sexual Freedom

Sex and the Constitution, a new book by the legal scholar Geoffrey R. Stone that charts the laws governing sexual behavior and expression from the ancient world to present-day America, provides ample evidence for this latter view of the election. The book, which pays special attention to laws concerning contraception, abortion, obscene speech, and gay and lesbian sexual activity, is a story not of inexorable progress toward greater freedom, but rather a different kind of narrative, in which the laws and conventions around sex have moved from more to less permissive and back again many times over.

The Fight Over Sexual Freedom | The Nation

 

[Angel]

Lest there be any misunderstanding on the part of the gens, the thesis and theme of this thread received a most perspicacious formulation in the quotation from Bialystock posted on a previous page, and as such merits reiteration.

Max Bialystock, Producer

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"So what are you saying, bubala? That sexual objectification is a bad thing? But that's just what makes the world go round—sexual objectification! It's the chirp and buzz of the birds and the bees. It's all of art and romance and poetry. It's at the bottom of evolution and revolution and constitution. Kowtow to the man-haters and cranks if you feel you must, if it makes you feel part if the political in-crowd, but if you really think for one moment that sexual objectification is not the very motor of civilization, then you got another think coming. And if you actually enjoy sexual objectification on the one hand, and condemn it on the other, then you're a goddamn hypocrite, and I say this from the heart, with the greatest affection, as to someone dear to me yet hopelessly confused. If sexual objectification, whether of women or of men, or of both, has entertained you all your life, but you now feel obliged, in order to appear enlightened or progressive or what have you—if you now feel compelled, I say, to denounce sexual objectification in public, in conversation, in social media and whatnot, after enjoying it your whole life or perhaps even while still secretly enjoying it, then you're a sexual hypocrite, and that's all there is to it."
—from Prisoners of Love

 

[Angel]

Earlier in this thread you were introduced to, or reacquainted with, the Vargas Girls, images of women that graced the pages of both Esquire and Playboy magazines for decades as well as commercial advertisements for everyday household products.

Here we are introduced to, or reacquainted with, what has been appreciatively called "good girl art."

If you ever read a comic book or a pulp fiction paperback in your life, you know these images.

Good Girl Art

Mike Lynch Cartoons: Review: GOOD GIRL ART by Ron Goulart


Good girl art​

The term "good girl art" was first coined in the 1930's and at the time simply referred to published illustrations of attractively-drawn female characters, be they heroines, villainesses, or anything in between. Comparable terms include "pinup art" and "cheesecake art." In more specific comic book terms, Good Girl Art now refers to art featuring attractively-drawn female characters who are sweet or heroic in nature, i.e. "good girls." This narrower definition of Good Girl Art gained relevance after the term Bad Girl Art (referring to attractively-drawn female characters who are dark and violent in nature) was coined in the 1990's, resulting in the need for greater distinction between the two genres.

The good girl art concept first began at the onset of World War II, during the Golden Age of Comics. Servicemen sought out diversions from their duties on the battlefield and at sea by reading comic strips and books featuring women drawn in the "good girl" style. These women were portrayed in an attractive and visually appealing manner, and were often scantily-clad in bathing suits and bikinis, or in mildly suggestive attire such as tight dresses. One of the earliest masters of the art form was artist Matt Baker, who became famous for his sexy renditions of Phantom Lady and other female superheroes of the era.

Good Girl Art (Concept) - Comic Vine

Good Girl History​

From that time forward the phrase Good Girl Art became widely used by the comic collecting community to indicate a style of artwork in which attractive female characters are portrayed, sometimes provocatively, in locations such as outer space and the jungle. But to describe GGA as just sensationalism to sell comics would miss a richer underlying framework of characterizations. The artwork covers a wide spectrum including “damsel-in-distress,” villain, “perfect wife” and “cutesy bad-ass” among other female character stereotypes. During World World II woman had taken up welders and riveters (a.k.a. Rosie the Riveter) by the millions, and their strength, determination and contributions were reflected back in numerous comic book “Wonder Women” characters who did battle with evil axis.

The peak period of comic book Good Girl Art was in the golden age of comics. Leading artists of the genre included Bill Ward (Torchy) and Matt Baker. Arguably the king of Good Girl Art, Baker was one of the few African Americans working as a comic artist at the time. The creativity and skill of these and other artists left a legacy we can still admire and enjoy seventy years later.

Good Girl History – Good Girl Comics

Good girl art
Good girl art (GGA) is artwork featuring attractive women in comic books, comic strips, and pulp magazines.
Good girl art - Wikipedia

GOOD GIRL ART PAPERBACKS
Good Girl Art Vintage Paperbacks
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Good Girl Art
https://www.comicstripfan.com/goodgirlart.htm

 

[Angel]

Good Girl Art

Glorification or Objectification?​

 

[Angel]

Source of the cover images in #316:

Classic Good Girl & Romance Covers

"Good Girl" art is a category that transcends normal comic book genres. Humor, adventure, sci-fi and more have all featured "Good Girl" art. "Good Girl" art is usually drawn in the pin up tradition. The scene might be risque for the time of publication. Prominent breasts (known as 'headlights') were the rule. "Good Girls" were usually athletic, smart women who might fall into precarious positions. So what about "Bad Girls", you ask? Criminal bad girls are a much rarer breed, but they do appear.

Romance comics are fairly self-explanatory. They are comics for girls and feature stories of love and romance, often with surprisingly adult themes and situations.

Classic Good Girl and Romance Covers

 

[Angel]

Textile Temptresses - Springmaid Ads

Triumphant from their many success during the war, Spring Mills patented that process along with several other innovations and marketed them for use in women's foundation garments. Under the watchful eye of Elliot White Springs, the once staid company took a more risque direction. The idea for the pin ups got their start with an in-house beauty-contest-Miss Springmaid" in 1947.The winners were taken to New York where they were drawn by leading illustrators that would eventually be used in advertising.
RETRO-A-RAMA: Textile Temptresses -Springmaid Ads

 

[Angel]

Vintage Ad
Springmaid 1948
"Two Birds and One Stone"​

"a camouflaged callipygian camisole"



E Simms Campbell​

The ads all began explaining the company's many war triumphs now and touting the peacetime use of its war time fabrics . "...the fabric is now available to the hip harness and bosom bolster business as Springmaid Perker. The white with gardenia, the pink with Camellia, the blush with jasmine and the nude dusty. It concluded "if you want to achieve the careless look and avoid "skaters steam" kill two birds with one stone by getting a camouflaged callipygian camisole.

RETRO-A-RAMA: Textile Temptresses -Springmaid Ads

American cartoonist who signed his work E. Simms Campbell. He was the first African-American cartoonist published in nationally distributed slick magazines, and he was the creator of Esky, the familiar pop-eyed mascot of Esquire.

Following the suggestion of cartoonist Russell Patterson to focus on good girl art,[3] Campbell created his "Harem Girls," a series of watercolor cartoons which attracted attention in the first issue of Esquire. Campbell's artwork was in almost every issue of Esquire from 1933 to 1958, and he also contributed to The Chicagoan, Cosmopolitan, Ebony, The New Yorker, Playboy, Opportunity, Pictorial Review and Redbook. His work in advertising included illustrations for Barbasol, Springmaid and Hart Schaffner & Marx.

E. Simms Campbell - Wikipedia

 

[Angel]

This is probably why you think sexual objectification is in some sense wrong.

Why sexual desire is objectifying – and hence morally wrong

The 18th-century philosopher Immanuel Kant believed that human beings tend to be evil. He wasn’t talking about some guy rubbing his hands and crowing with glee at the prospect of torturing an enemy. He was thinking about the basic human tendency to succumb to what we want to do instead of what we ought to do, to heed the siren-song of our desires instead of the call of duty. For Kant, morality is the force that closes this gap, and holds us back from our darker, desiring selves.

Once desire becomes suspect, sex is never far behind. Kant implicitly acknowledged the unusual power of sexual urges and their capacity to divert us from doing what is right. He claimed that sex was particularly morally condemnable, because lust focuses on the body, not the agency, of those we sexually desire, and so reduces them to mere things. It makes us see the objects of our longing as just that *– objects. In so doing, we see them as mere tools for our own satisfaction.

Why sexual desire is objectifying – and hence morally wrong | Aeon Ideas

When you start thinking critically -- even about the views of a thinker as great as Kant -- then perhaps you will avoid the sexual hypocrisy that has become a veritable way of life in America -- and regretfully, through American influence, throughout the world today.

 

[Angel]

Angel's Top 20
Hollywood Sex Symbols
on Parade

21st Century Foxes: Guilty Pleasures

#5

Named "Sexiest Woman Alive" by Esquire magazine in 2008.

Halle Berry

Glorification or Objectification?




#20 Clara Bow
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-11.html#post1070126612
#19 Louise Brooks
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-12.html#post1070129726
#18 Jean Harlow
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-16.html#post1070134570
#17 Marlene Dietrich
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-19.html#post1070146716
#16 Dorothy Lamour
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-20.html#post1070150130
#15 Betty Grable
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-21.html#post1070157530
#14 Jane Russell
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-22.html#post1070164436
#13 Jayne Mansfield
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-23.html#post1070169165
#12 Marilyn Monroe
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-24.html#post1070176581
#11 Raquel Welch
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-25.html#post1070188023
#10 Natalie Wood
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-26.html#post1070200362
#9 Pam Grier
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-28.html#post1070205058
#8 Bo Derek
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-30.html#post1070223425
#7 Sharon Stone
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-31.html#post1070240028
#6 Jessica Alba
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-32.html#post1070273040
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[Angel]

And let's not forget sci-fi fans and gamers, to say nothing of us readers of graphic novels.

Bad girl art​

The term "bad girl art" was coined in the 1990s as an allusion – and contrast – to the "good girl art" movement that started in the 1940s, and is used to refer to the trend of femme fatale heroines that started in 1993. The "bad girl" art trend was derived from the exaggerated visual styles of the male and female form first used in the late 80s by artists such as Rob Liefeld and Jim Lee. The precursors to the trend were Vampirella, created by publisher James Warren in 1969, and Marvel Comics' Elektra, created by Frank Miller in 1981.

Bad girl art - Wikipedia

Vampirella
Vampirella - Wikipedia
Lady Death
Lady Death - Wikipedia
Shi
Shi (comics) - Wikipedia


Glorification or Objectification?​

 

[Angel]

Bad Girl Comic

As the Comics Code waned, comic readers re-discovered pre-Code comic books and comic strips of the late Golden Age. A lot of them featured depictions of sexy women, featured in various roles: from Damsels In Distress to Action Girl pilot aces to Femmes Fatales to outright bloodthirsty villains in some crime books. That style, exemplified in the works of Bill Ward and Wally Wood, was nicknamed "good girl art" by its new fans. Note that it didn't mean "art depicting good girls" (since a lot of these "girls" were quite "bad") but rather "good art depicting girls".

Some comic creators decided to combine the sexual allure of "good girl art" with other themes that were previously forbidden by the Code: violence, antiheroic attitudes, occult and demonic themes. Thus a new comic genre was born, nicknamed "bad girl art" or "bad girl comics" by its fans.

Bad Girl Comic - TV Tropes

A feminist view​

Evolving Sub-Texts in the Visual Exploitation of the Female Form: Good Girl and Bad Girl Comic Art Pre- and Post-Second Wave Feminism


GGA vs. Bad Girls

From this brief review of the characteristics of Good Girl Art and Bad Girls in comics, it is apparent that both are part of the same artistic tradition, but each can be considered a distinct genre in its own right, rather than just a style. It can be inferred from the gap in time, between the mid-1950s demise of GGA and the appearance of the Bad Girls in the 1990s, that the development from one to the other was interrupted by the imposition of the Comics Code Authority. It can also be hypothesized that this evolution eventually proceeded naturally within the changes that took place in the culture of comic book production and consumption, and that perhaps the fact that it was held in check for two decades, while the Feminist Movement reached its Second Wave zenith, contributed to the specific nature of the Bad Girl phenomenon. The similarities and differences between the two comic book genres do seem to coincide with societal changes in attitudes towards women noted by Twenge (195), who writes, "Feminist theory has historically criticized the shallow emphasis on bodies, physical appearance, and image … our narcissistic culture does the opposite." Vampirella (Figure 18: Englehart and Gonzalez), which began publication in 1969, free from the constraints of the Comics Code Authority, can be considered to represent the transition from GGA to Bad Girls.

http://imagetext.english.ufl.edu/archives/v7_4/hayton/

 

[Angel]

The Philosophy of Sex
Chapter 26
OBJECTIFICATION
Martha C. Nussbaum​

Sexual objectification is a familiar concept. Once a relatively technical term in feminist theory, associated in particular with the work of Catharine MacKinnon and Andrea Dworkin, the word “objectification has by now passed into many people’s daily lives. It is common to hear it used to criticize advertisements, films, and other representations, and also to express skepticism about the attitudes and intentions of one person to another, or of oneself to someone else. Generally it is used as a pejorative term, connoting a way of speaking, thinking, and acting that the speaker finds morally or socially objectionable, usually, though not always, in the sexual realm. Feminist thought, moreover, has typically represented men’s sexual objectification of women as not a trivial but a central problem in women’s lives, and the opposition to it as at the very heart of feminist politics. But the term “objectification” can also be used, somewhat confusingly, in a more positive spirit. Indeed, one can find both of these apparently conflicting uses in the writings of some feminist authors....

My hunch, which I shall pursue, is that such confusions can arise because we have not clarified the concept of objectification to ourselves, and that once we do so we will find out that it is not only a slippery, but also a multiple, concept. Indeed, I shall argue that there are at least seven distinct ways of behaving introduced by the term, none of which implies any of the others, though there are many complex connections among them. Under some specifications, objectification, I shall argue, is
always morally problematic. Under other specifications, objectification has features that may be either good or bad, depending upon the overall context.... Some features of objectification, furthermore, I shall argue, may in fact in some circumstances...be either necessary or even wonderful features of sexual life. Seeing this will require, among other things, seeing how the allegedly impossible combination between (a form of ) objectification and“equality, respect, and consent” might after all be possible.

https://philpapers.org/archive/SOBTPO-6.pdf

 

[Thingfish]

Definitely list worthy, nothing more sexy then a beautiful women whoofin’ down a burger...well.