[W:476] It's fine if the NFL Players Kneel. Go for it.

[Excon]

Re: It's fine if the NFL Players Kneel. Go for it.

Anyone at anytime, in any venue, can protest. Not you, nor anyone else can stop them. That was protected by a multitude of American laws, both state and federal in behalf of union organization.

Consequences are another story. And you do have the two confused.

iLOL
No.
That has nothing to do with a "right" to protest on your employers time.
That right does exist in these circumstances.

What you are not understanding is that a "right" is a legal entitlement. If a person has such a legal entitlement to protest on their employers time, the employer can not issue sanctions as that would be an infringement of that so-called "right".

 

[Renae]

Re: It's fine if the NFL Players Kneel. Go for it.

It's just part of the great national disconnect. The players can say until they are blue in the face that kneeling during the National Anthem is not disrespectful because they are protesting police misconduct, but it will still be seen and felt as disrespectful for everybody who thinks that a protest against police misconduct should be directed at the city or at the police and not at the flag and a national anthem that so many have risked and bled and died for.

And those who say we must respect their INTENT rather than their action when it comes to overpaid, arrogant, disrespectful football players will never agree that a word or phrase uttered by somebody they don't like can be interpreted any other way than how they say it must be interpreted.

Well it started with Keapernick who flat out said he was disrespecting the flag.. so I mean, when you follow suit behind a guy like that...

 

[OldFatGuy]

Re: It's fine if the NFL Players Kneel. Go for it.

Wrong. I have the right to protest whatever I want. It does not just mean criticism of the government

Try reading the US Constitution. It does not protect your right to protest anywhere, nor limit other individuals or entities targeted by you from acting within other laws, to stop you. i.e. They can't summarily execute you, but they can have you lawfully removed from their premises or even entering their premises.

As long as you don't obstruct traffic, you can protest in front of a Trump property, you cannot enter that property as part of your protest actions.

 

[OldFatGuy]

Re: It's fine if the NFL Players Kneel. Go for it.

iLOL
No.
That has nothing to do with a "right" to protest on your employers time.
That right does exist in these circumstances.

What you are not understanding is that a "right" is a legal entitlement. If a person has such a legal entitlement to protest on their employers time, the employer can not issue sanctions as that would be an infringement of that so-called "right".

An exercise in the ridiculous.

 

[vegas giants]

Re: It's fine if the NFL Players Kneel. Go for it.

Try reading the US Constitution. It does not protect your right to protest anywhere, nor limit other individuals or entities targeted by you from acting within other laws, to stop you. i.e. They can't summarily execute you, but they can have you lawfully removed from their premises or even entering their premises.

As long as you don't obstruct traffic, you can protest in front of a Trump property, you cannot enter that property as part of your protest actions.

Wrong. I did not say anywhere. If the government can show compelling interest they can stop me from protesting in lots of places. There is no compelling interest in stopping kneeling at a football game.

Basic constitutional law based on strict scrutiny....but what do I know. LOL

 

[Excon]

Re: It's fine if the NFL Players Kneel. Go for it.

Its the Bill of Legal Entitlements? That is hilarious. Are you saying I don't have the right to bad mouth my employer on my own time and if he hears about and fires me? LOL

Clearly you are confused.
Your right from infringement by the government has absolutely nothing to do with a "right" to protest on your employers time.
The issue isn't about Government infringement.
The issue is about a "right" (legal entitlement) to protest on your employers time which does not exist in these circumstances.
The only time such a "right" could come into existence is if were agreed to in contract. Their Union is perfectly able to negotiate for such, but thus far it does not exist. Period.

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An exercise in the ridiculous.

Your confusion is showing again.

 

[vegas giants]

Re: It's fine if the NFL Players Kneel. Go for it.

Clearly you are confused.
Your right from infringement by the government has absolutely nothing to do with a "right" to protest on your employers time.
The issue isn't about Government infringement.
The issue is about a "right" (legal entitlement) to protest on your employers time which does not exist in these circumstances.
The only time such a "right" could come into existence is if were agreed to in contract. Their Union is perfectly able to negotiate for such, but thus far it does not exist. Period.

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Your confusion is showing again.

It is ALWAYS about the ability of the government to infringe. ALWAYS. EVERYTIME.


This is where you keep going wrong

 

[AlbqOwl]

Re: It's fine if the NFL Players Kneel. Go for it.

Well it started with Keapernick who flat out said he was disrespecting the flag.. so I mean, when you follow suit behind a guy like that...

Good point. I agree completely. If they have a beef about police conduct, then demonstrate at City Hall or the Police Dept. That they choose to demonstrate at the display of the color and the National Anthem suggests that they, and all who defend them, think that is justified. But for sure they do not respect the flag or the National Anthem or any protocol regarding those when they by their actions disrespect them.

And we have every right to see them as arrogant jerks and unworthy of our respect when they do that.

 

[Excon]

Re: It's fine if the NFL Players Kneel. Go for it.

It is ALWAYS about the ability of the government to infringe. ALWAYS. EVERYTIME.


This is where you keep going wrong

No.
Your governmental argument is as wrong as it is stupid. The government hasn't stepped in, made any ruling, nor infringed for you to bring them into the discussion.
Your legal "right" to protest does not extend to your relationship with your employer on their time. Only your employer can give you a "right" to protest on their time.
Period.

 

[AlbqOwl]

Re: It's fine if the NFL Players Kneel. Go for it.

Try reading the US Constitution. It does not protect your right to protest anywhere, nor limit other individuals or entities targeted by you from acting within other laws, to stop you. i.e. They can't summarily execute you, but they can have you lawfully removed from their premises or even entering their premises.

As long as you don't obstruct traffic, you can protest in front of a Trump property, you cannot enter that property as part of your protest actions.

Nor does it forbid overpaid arrogant athletes from acting like jerks.

But to put it in perspective. . .

I have a gripe about illegal immigrants committing a disproportionate number of the drunk driving offenses, burglaries, vandalism, thefts, and gang activity in my city. How about I do demonstrations to protest that at ceremonies recognizing civic service especially of Democrats or leftists. So long as I say I am protesting illegal immigration crime will I be accepted because of what I say is my intent? Or will I be seen as disrespecting the ceremony and/or who is be recognized by it?

 

[vegas giants]

Re: It's fine if the NFL Players Kneel. Go for it.

No.
Your governmental argument is as wrong as it is stupid. The government hasn't stepped in, made any ruling, nor infringed for you to bring them into the discussion.
Your legal "right" to protest does not extend to your relationship with your employer on their time. Only your employer can give you a "right" to protest on their time.
Period.

Now an employer can GIVE rights? I do not have inaleniable rights bestowed on me by my creator and established in law by the Constitution? Employers make rights?


Now that is hilarious!

 

[OldFatGuy]

Re: It's fine if the NFL Players Kneel. Go for it.

Nor does it forbid overpaid arrogant athletes from acting like jerks.

But to put it in perspective. . .

I have a gripe about illegal immigrants committing a disproportionate number of the drunk driving offenses, burglaries, vandalism, thefts, and gang activity in my city. How about I do demonstrations to protest that at ceremonies recognizing civic service especially of Democrats or leftists. So long as I say I am protesting illegal immigration crime will I be accepted because of what I say is my intent? Or will I be seen as disrespecting the ceremony and/or who is be recognized by it?

As I see it, your right to protest a series of governmental policies you see as having failed is appropriate if you are correct about where the responsibility lies. However, I hold as many Republicans at fault for doing nothing for so long, because it would effect their sources of inexpensive labor, whether directly or by investment. Suddenly, for voices in agreement about the results of unlawful immigration, the choice of who to target as responsible is no longer as superficially simple. Targeting those who overzealously demand amnesty isn't enough without simultaneously targeting those who do nothing because of how actions might effect profits.

After watching my 3 1/2 year old twin grandsons driving their new tricycles, I am convinced they are both future drunk drivers of America, regardless of if they drink booze and beer when older. Scary. Or maybe, they appreciate wearing those brightly colored bandaids?

 

[Excon]

Re: It's fine if the NFL Players Kneel. Go for it.

Now an employer can GIVE rights? I do not have inaleniable rights bestowed on me by my creator and established in law by the Constitution? Employers make rights?


Now that is hilarious!

I see you are still confused.
A "right" is a legal entitlement.
There is no "legal entitlement" for the players to protest on their employers time.
Only the Employer can give them that right.

 

[vegas giants]

Re: It's fine if the NFL Players Kneel. Go for it.

I see you are still confused.
A "right" is a legal entitlement.
There is no "legal entitlement" for the players to protest on their employers time.
Only the Employer can give them that right.

Employers can GIVE rights? That is hilarious. I honestly mean that. I have never ever heard anyone say that. That is a first. Employers giving you rights. Wow.

Where do you get this from because it ain't in the constitution. They have a listing of rights in there and none of them come from employers. LOL

 

[Excon]

Re: It's fine if the NFL Players Kneel. Go for it.

Employers can GIVE rights? That is hilarious. I honestly mean that. I have never ever heard anyone say that. That is a first. Employers giving you rights. Wow.

Where do you get this from because it ain't in the constitution. They have a listing of rights in there and none of them come from employers. LOL

You clearly have no clue as to what you speak. You should really learn about what you are speaking about first so you can make rational arguments and not be corrected.

A "right" is a legal entitlement.
Do you really not understand that the Constitution is recognizing rights which are therefore legal? Really? You don't to understand that?

Do you not understand that if you engage in a contract that says you get to strike under certain circumstances that you then have the legal right to do so? Really? You do not understand these things?
Wow!


Your argumentation is limited by your ignorance.

Right

[...]

Noun

[...]

2. A moral or legal entitlement to have or do something.
with infinitive ‘she had every right to be angry’
‘you're quite within your rights to ask for your money back’
mass noun ‘there is no right of appeal against the decision’​

[...]

Right | Oxford Dictionaries​

Once you acquaint yourself with the above link, you might want to continue in to the following link and edify yourself there as well.

https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/right





The protestors have no such legal entitlement to protest on their employers time. None.
This has not a damn thing to do with Government infringement (Constitutional argument).
The argument is about a "right" to protest on their employer's time which does not exist.

 

[SheWolf]

Re: It's fine if the NFL Players Kneel. Go for it.

"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people, and people of colour," Kaepernick said in a press conference after first sitting out during the anthem. "To me, this is bigger than football, and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street, and people getting paid leave, and getting away with murder."

I don't agree with what he said.

 

[vegas giants]

Re: It's fine if the NFL Players Kneel. Go for it.

You clearly have no clue as to what you speak. You should really learn about what you are speaking about first so you can make rational arguments and not be corrected.

A "right" is a legal entitlement.
Do you really not understand that the Constitution is recognizing rights which are therefore legal? Really? You don't to understand that?

Do you not understand that if you engage in a contract that says you get to strike under certain circumstances that you then have the legal right to do so? Really? You do not understand these things?
Wow!


Your argumentation is limited by your ignorance.

Right

[...]

Noun

[...]

2. A moral or legal entitlement to have or do something.
with infinitive ‘she had every right to be angry’
‘you're quite within your rights to ask for your money back’
mass noun ‘there is no right of appeal against the decision’​

[...]

Right | Oxford Dictionaries​

Once you acquaint yourself with the above link, you might want to continue in to the following link and edify yourself there as well.

https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/right





The protestors have no such legal entitlement to protest on their employers time. None.
This has not a damn thing to do with Government infringement (Constitutional argument).
The argument is about a "right" to protest on their employer's time which does not exist.

We are discussing a CONSTITUTIONAL right. DUH


A constitutional right can be a prerogative or a duty, a power or a restraint of power, recognized and established by a sovereign state or union of states. All constitutional rights are expressly stipulated and written in a consolidated national constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, meaning that any other laws which are in contradiction with it are considered unconstitutional and thus regarded as invalid. Usually any constitution defines the structure, functions, powers, and limits of the national government and the individual freedoms, rights, and obligations which will be protected and enforced when needed by the national authorities.

 

[Excon]

Re: It's fine if the NFL Players Kneel. Go for it.

We are discussing a CONSTITUTIONAL right. DUH

And that is were you go wrong.
The Constitutional "Right" does not give them a legal entitlement to protest on their employers time. Period. And as such, the Constitutional argument has no relevance here.
Especially as we are not talking about any Government infringement.

Such a "legal entitlement" (right) does not exist unless their employer gives it to them.

 

[vegas giants]

Re: It's fine if the NFL Players Kneel. Go for it.

And that is were you go wrong.
The Constitutional "Right" does not give them a legal entitlement to protest on their employers time. Period. And as such, the Constitutional argument has no relevance here.
Especially as we are not talking about any Government infringement.

Such a "legal entitlement" (right) does not exist unless their employer gives it to them.

Yes it does. They are free to do so without any interference from the government.

Facts are facts

 

[vegas giants]

Re: It's fine if the NFL Players Kneel. Go for it.

And that is were you go wrong.
The Constitutional "Right" does not give them a legal entitlement to protest on their employers time. Period. And as such, the Constitutional argument has no relevance here.
Especially as we are not talking about any Government infringement.

Such a "legal entitlement" (right) does not exist unless their employer gives it to them.

Legal entitlement? Are you saying it is illegal for them to protest on company time? LOL

 

[Excon]

Re: It's fine if the NFL Players Kneel. Go for it.

Yes it does. They are free to do so without any interference from the government.

Facts are facts

And there you go making another false argument.

Being free from government interference does not give them a "right" to protest on their employers time.

You have no valid argument.

Legal entitlement? Are you saying it is illegal for them to protest on company time? LOL

I already instructed you to edify yourself. Cleary you have chosen not to.
Sad.

Contracts are enforceable under the law.
So if the players had a "legal entitlement" ("right") to protest on their employers time, they could certainly take it to court and have it enforced.
Of course they have no such "right", so haven't been able to do that.

 

[vegas giants]

Re: It's fine if the NFL Players Kneel. Go for it.

And there you go making another false argument.

Being free from government interference does not give them a "right" to protest on their employers time.

You have no valid argument.


I already instructed you to edify yourself. Cleary you have chosen not to.
Sad.

Contracts are enforceable under the law.
So if the players had a "legal entitlement" ("right") to protest on their employers time, they could certainly take it to court and have it enforced.
Of course they have no such "right", so haven't been able to do that.

Companies don't grant rights. That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Show me a legal reference that says a company can grant a right. You are just being silly

 

[vegas giants]

Re: It's fine if the NFL Players Kneel. Go for it.

And there you go making another false argument.

Being free from government interference does not give them a "right" to protest on their employers time.

You have no valid argument.


I already instructed you to edify yourself. Cleary you have chosen not to.
Sad.

Contracts are enforceable under the law.
So if the players had a "legal entitlement" ("right") to protest on their employers time, they could certainly take it to court and have it enforced.
Of course they have no such "right", so haven't been able to do that.

Look at it this way. Does an NFL player have the right to badmouth his team on his own time?

 

[Excon]

Re: It's fine if the NFL Players Kneel. Go for it.

Companies don't grant rights. That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Show me a legal reference that says a company can grant a right. You are just being silly

Even though you were provided the information, and directed to even more, you again show you fail to understand that a "right" is a legal entitlement.
It does not matter how that "right" comes into being.

Look at it this way. Does an NFL player have the right to badmouth his team on his own time?

If the player has the legal entitlement ("right") to do so, sure. Pretty sure their contracts wouldn't allow such though.

 

[vegas giants]

Re: It's fine if the NFL Players Kneel. Go for it.

Even though you were provided the information, and directed to even more, you again show you fail to understand that a "right" is a legal entitlement.
It does not matter how that "right" comes into being.


If the player has the legal entitlement ("right") to do so, sure. Pretty sure their contracts wouldn't allow such though.

No one believes you. And I mean you will never find ANYONE on Debate Politics.....not single person.....to agree with you that a company can grant rights. It is the absolute silliest thing I have ever heard and demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of constitutional rights. All rights are constitutional rights. They do not come from anywhere other than the constitution.


This is great for a laugh though