[W:476] It's fine if the NFL Players Kneel. Go for it.

[KLATTU]

Re: It's fine if the NFL Players Kneel. Go for it.

It is their right to protest

WRONG!

“When you work for the private sector and your employer is not the government, the Constitution gives you zero protection in terms of keeping your job based on what you say,” she said.

Private employees — including NFL players — can be disciplined or fired for speech, opinions and political affiliations expressed at work or outside work
https://www.marketplace.org/2017/09/25/business/nfl-v-trump-can-you-be-fired-peaceful-protest

Please amend your post accordingly.

Thank you.

 

[Joecool44]

Re: It's fine if the NFL Players Kneel. Go for it.

Uh....they are doing it with no consequences. Lol

Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones remains adamant that players on his team will stand for the national anthem,

In May, the NFL announced that players on the sideline would face fines if they did not stand for the anthem and gave them the option of remaining in the locker room while the anthem is played.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ps-stance-problematic/?utm_term=.8d92fe4aa281

 

[ultmd]

Re: It's fine if the NFL Players Kneel. Go for it.

Oh god, now you are pretending to be a professional on the subject when you clearly haven't even paid attention to the polls in the past. This is the point at which I check out. Goodbye, statistics professional. lol

LOL, STILL can't rebut the FACTS, I see. Of course, you and I both already knew you couldn't, now didn't we? The FACTS are, and will remain, that most Americans do NOT share your fake-patriotic, hateful ideas about this issue. Most Americans believe that you and your ilk are FOS when it comes to labeling silent protests during the Anthem as "disrespectful" or "unpatriotic". You and your ilk are (as usual) out on a lonely, angry, hateful island on this issue. And there is no amount of deflection, dodging and dissembling that will change that for you, Mr. "freewits". :lamo It seems clear to me that that little FACT....that simple REALITY...really bothers you, because you keep dodging it in your responses. And, frankly, I find that funny.

That said, I'm sorry, but people like you don't get to question people like me until you've added a few more initials at the end of your signature. And, since it is my very strong inclination that you have long-since reached the end of your academic pursuits, you'll just have to live that, OK?

And, perhaps it escaped you, but you were dismissed a while ago.

 

[vegas giants]

Re: It's fine if the NFL Players Kneel. Go for it.

WRONG!

“When you work for the private sector and your employer is not the government, the Constitution gives you zero protection in terms of keeping your job based on what you say,” she said.

Private employees — including NFL players — can be disciplined or fired for speech, opinions and political affiliations expressed at work or outside work
https://www.marketplace.org/2017/09/25/business/nfl-v-trump-can-you-be-fired-peaceful-protest

Please amend your post accordingly.

Thank you.

The right still exists

 

[KLATTU]

Re: It's fine if the NFL Players Kneel. Go for it.

The right still exists

If you can get fired for doing it, how is that a right?

 

[Excon]

Re: It's fine if the NFL Players Kneel. Go for it.

The right still exists

No such "right" exists here and you can not show that one does.

 

[OldFatGuy]

Re: It's fine if the NFL Players Kneel. Go for it.

Malcolm X was a Panafrican Black Supremacist that encouraged violence, which is why he opposed MLK's "alliance" with White people. MLK and Malcolm X saw the world very, very differently and had totally different ideologies. Malcolm X was a bigot. He hated Whites.

As for Ghandi, that's just starting to derail this thread and make this conversation overly complicated, but the Brits did subjugate the Indians. That's just a fact.

All men are on a journey. Will you be the one to judge a man on a portion of that journey rather than the gestalt? Malcolm never expressed himself in terms of hate, based on race or anything else. His journey was a search for dignity. His words are easy enough to access. Read them. And when he called for violence it was always as a response to violence tendered. His family were victims of the KKK. He died after repudiating the Black Muslim calls for racial war promulgated by Louis Farrakhan and promoting unity. Everything you say is second hand and not true. Not even his PanAfricanism, which he questioned from the onset as embraced by Elijah Muhammad as nothing more than another form of colonialism and subjugation with Elijah Muhammad as the Caliph of his own fiefdom.

Mention of Ghandi doesn't muddy the waters. Bigotry remains bigotry wherever it surfaces. And MLK did embrace the nonviolent civil disobedience of Ghandi as a strategic tactic. All three men were on searches for dignity, for themselves and their respective peoples.

I believe this is the same question of today in a different venue for the NFL players, right or wrong. I may not approve of how they approach the issues, but the issues cannot be easily doubted.

This conversation isn't near complicated enough.

 

[OldFatGuy]

Re: It's fine if the NFL Players Kneel. Go for it.

No such "right" exists here and you can not show that one does.

Anyone and everyone has the right to choose their own journeys. The consequences are not a choice and come with the territory. You are confusing the choice with the consequences.

 

[Excon]

Re: It's fine if the NFL Players Kneel. Go for it.

Anyone and everyone has the right to choose their own journeys. The consequences are not a choice and come with the territory. You are confusing the choice with the consequences.

iLOL

No OldFatGuy. No such confusion on this end.
The confusion appears to be in your comprehension of what was said.

No such "right of protest" exists in the circumstances we are discussing.
Again, as already pointed out, no one is arguing an ability (to protest), and the consequences thereof, which is really what you are speaking to.

 

[vegas giants]

Re: It's fine if the NFL Players Kneel. Go for it.

No such "right" exists here and you can not show that one does.

Of course the right exists. You do know the Bill of Rights are restrictions on GOVERNMENT....don't you? People have the right to protest and the government may not interfere.

How can you guys not know what rights are? LOL

 

[vegas giants]

Re: It's fine if the NFL Players Kneel. Go for it.

Can? No one is arguing an ability here.
He was arguing they have a "right" to protest on their employers time when no such "right" exists.
If such a "right" existed the employer would not be able to impose penalties for protesting because it would then be an infringement on such a "right".

Uh....no. I have the right to speak badly about my employer on any street corner. That is my right. My employer can fire me for that but it is still my right. No government agency may intervene though

 

[vegas giants]

Re: It's fine if the NFL Players Kneel. Go for it.

If you can get fired for doing it, how is that a right?

You can get fired for all kinds of things. Rights are a restriction on government

 

[Excon]

Re: It's fine if the NFL Players Kneel. Go for it.

Of course the right exists. You do know the Bill of Rights are restrictions on GOVERNMENT....don't you? People have the right to protest and the government may not interfere.

How can you guys not know what rights are? LOL

Again.

That "right" only exists outside on their own time. They have no such "right" on their employer's time.
So you are making false arguments.​

Your argumentation is as stupid as it is wrong.

 

[vegas giants]

Re: It's fine if the NFL Players Kneel. Go for it.

Again.

That "right" only exists outside on their own time. They have no such "right" on their employer's time.
So you are making false arguments.​

Your argumentation is as stupid as it is wrong.

Rights are a restriction on government. DUH LOL

 

[Excon]

Re: It's fine if the NFL Players Kneel. Go for it.

Uh....no. I have the right to speak badly about my employer on any street corner. That is my right. My employer can fire me for that but it is still my right. No government agency may intervene though

iLOL No. That is not a "right", that is an ability.

 

[vegas giants]

Re: It's fine if the NFL Players Kneel. Go for it.

iLO No. That is not a "right", that is an ability.

So its the Bill of Abilities? That is hilarious!

 

[Excon]

Re: It's fine if the NFL Players Kneel. Go for it.

Rights are a restriction on government. DUH LOL

You are confusing a "right" with an ability.
No such "right" in these circumstances exist to protest on your employer's time.
You argumentation is as wrong as it is stupid.

 

[vegas giants]

Re: It's fine if the NFL Players Kneel. Go for it.

You are confusing a "right" with an ability.
No such "right" in these circumstances exist to protest on your employer's time.
You argumentation is as wrong as it is stupid.

Actually it is you that have it exactly backwards. It is hilarious that you think the expression of rights can NOT be punished by the public marketplace absent compelling interest.

I love it. LOL

 

[Excon]

Re: It's fine if the NFL Players Kneel. Go for it.

Actually it is you that have it exactly backwards. It is hilarious that you think the expression of rights can NOT be punished by the public marketplace absent compelling interest.

I love it. LOL

Wrong as usual.
You clearly have it backasswards.
A "right" in this case is a legal entitlement. No such legal entitlement exists in this circumstance.
An employer being able to issue sanctions would be an infringement on such an entitlement.

Unless you can establish something in their contract that gives them such an entitlement, no such "right" exists.

 

[OldFatGuy]

Re: It's fine if the NFL Players Kneel. Go for it.

iLOL

No OldFatGuy. No such confusion on this end.
The confusion appears to be in your comprehension of what was said.

No such "right of protest" exists in the circumstances we are discussing.
Again, as already pointed out, no one is arguing an ability (to protest), and the consequences thereof, which is really what you are speaking to.

Anyone at anytime, in any venue, can protest. Not you, nor anyone else can stop them. That was protected by a multitude of American laws, both state and federal in behalf of union organization.

Consequences are another story. And you do have the two confused.

 

[vegas giants]

Re: It's fine if the NFL Players Kneel. Go for it.

Wrong as usual.
You clearly have it backasswards.
A "right" in this case is a legal entitlement. No such legal entitlement exists in this circumstance.
An employer being able to issue sanctions would be an infringement on such an entitlement.

Unless you can establish something in their contract that gives them such an entitlement, no such "right" exists.

Its the Bill of Legal Entitlements? That is hilarious. Are you saying I don't have the right to bad mouth my employer on my own time and if he hears about and fires me? LOL

 

[OldFatGuy]

Re: It's fine if the NFL Players Kneel. Go for it.

Of course the right exists. You do know the Bill of Rights are restrictions on GOVERNMENT....don't you? People have the right to protest and the government may not interfere.

How can you guys not know what rights are? LOL

You are also confused and mistaken, restrictions against government actions as a response to criticism against the government do not necessarily apply toward anyone else, or any other entities. The US Constitution is about limitations of governmental powers, not others, private individuals or lawful entities.

There is good reason why we developed Civil Rights laws separate from government restrictions of powers.

Neither of you are constitutional scholars.

 

[vegas giants]

Re: It's fine if the NFL Players Kneel. Go for it.

You are also confused and mistaken, restrictions against government actions as a response to criticism against the government do not necessarily apply toward anyone else, or any other entities. The US Constitution is about limitations of governmental powers, not others, private individuals or lawful entities.

There is good reason why we developed Civil Rights laws separate from government restrictions of powers.

Neither of you are constitutional scholars.

Wrong. I have the right to protest whatever I want. It does not just mean criticism of the government

 

[OldFatGuy]

Re: It's fine if the NFL Players Kneel. Go for it.

You can get fired for all kinds of things. Rights are a restriction on government

Rights are whatever we make them, until some says no with greater force. Their rights. Force is not necessarily defined as violent.

i.e. A friend of mine, when unjustifiably in his eyes, was continually harassed by a neighbor, bought the neighbor's mortgage, found cause to execute a foreclosure. His neighbor exercised his rights to harass, my fried exercised his right to exercise economic force to remove his neighbor from the equation.

IMO, Brilliant.

 

[AlbqOwl]

Re: It's fine if the NFL Players Kneel. Go for it.

They are more than welcome to kneel.
I think they are the worst sort of asshats.
You are welcome to support the kneeling, by all means.

Just don't say I, nor anyone else lacks the right to find their actions reprehensible and worthy of not watching the NFL, not buying Merchandise or watching the games.

Having the right to kneel and **** on the flag, and America during the National Anthem, fine go for it. Just don't say we have to like it, respect it or support it.

It's just part of the great national disconnect. The players can say until they are blue in the face that kneeling during the National Anthem is not disrespectful because they are protesting police misconduct, but it will still be seen and felt as disrespectful for everybody who thinks that a protest against police misconduct should be directed at the city or at the police and not at the flag and a national anthem that so many have risked and bled and died for.

And those who say we must respect their INTENT rather than their action when it comes to overpaid, arrogant, disrespectful football players will never agree that a word or phrase uttered by somebody they don't like can be interpreted any other way than how they say it must be interpreted.