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[W:40] who is best president ever?

who is best president ever?

  • G. Washington

    Votes: 8 16.7%

  • FDR

    Votes: 19 39.6%

  • JF Kennedy

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Donald Trump

    Votes: 6 12.5%

  • Ronald Reagan

    Votes: 4 8.3%

  • A. Lincoln

    Votes: 7 14.6%

  • can't decide between 4 and/or 5 and/or 6-or other

    Votes: 4 8.3%
  • Total voters
    48
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Mongidig said:
He moved the embassy to Jerusalem.
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That wasn't for the Jews, and it doesn't help Israel. It was for the right-wing nationalists in Israel, but most importantly for the anti-semitic Evangelicals who wish for Armageddon at Israel's expense.
 
Jay59 said:
Obama had his points, but also his problems. His foreign policy was a disaster, he could not work with Democrats so forget anything bipartisan. More than anything he was a do nothing. The level of corruption in his highly placed officials is the worst scandal since Teapot Dome in the 1920s, basically Watergate on steriods.
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The ACA, The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, saved the U.S. auto industry, took out Bin Laden, The Consumer Protection Act, Repealed Don't Ask, Don't Tell in the U.S. military, The Credit Accountability and Disclosure Act, expanded Federal Wilderness Protections by millions of acres.... I can go on, whether you agree with his policies or not, the fact is you have to go all the way back to LBJ to find a president that was able to get more of their agenda enacted.

As to corruption, that is laughable. Your assertion is so ridiculous it sounds psychotic. Look at felony convictions of members of the Obama Administration and compare him to every other president in the entire post war era, he had the cleanest presidency of all of them. That is not to say they were without scandal, the IRS scandal comes to mind, but compared to any other president in the last 70 years, his administration was pretty clean. In comparison Trump is literally surrounded by felons, and Bush's Administration was so corrupt that you had high ups in the Department of Interior engaging in coke fueled orgies with oil industry lobbyists - no ****.
 
Mongidig said:
Obama created this partisan mess of a government we are in. He also created a lot of racism and divided the country. I'd rate him below Jimmy Carter as the worst President ever.
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The Republican Party is practically as white as a Klan rally, but it was our first black president that created the racism and division in our country....
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
The ACA, The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, saved the U.S. auto industry, took out Bin Laden, The Consumer Protection Act, Repealed Don't Ask, Don't Tell in the U.S. military, The Credit Accountability and Disclosure Act, expanded Federal Wilderness Protections by millions of acres.... I can go on, whether you agree with his policies or not, the fact is you have to go all the way back to LBJ to find a president that was able to get more of their agenda enacted.

As to corruption, that is laughable. Your assertion is so ridiculous it sounds psychotic. Look at felony convictions of members of the Obama Administration and compare him to every other president in the entire post war era, he had the cleanest presidency of all of them. That is not to say they were without scandal, the IRS scandal comes to mind, but compared to any other president in the last 70 years, his administration was pretty clean. In comparison Trump is literally surrounded by felons, and Bush's Administration was so corrupt that you had high ups in the Department of Interior engaging in coke fueled orgies with oil industry lobbyists - no ****.
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That is a very thin list and even there you padded it. The CPA is from the 1960s and others are executive orders. ACA and the credit card act is not much.

The IG report speaks to the corruption. That whole matter is still unfolding, so there is much we do not know. We do know that you cannot laugh it off.

SouthernDemocrat said:
The Republican Party is practically as white as a Klan rally, but it was our first black president that created the racism and division in our country....
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Not really. Trump seems to be making headway with minorities, blacks particularly. Jobs and the First Step Act have spoken louder than Democrat's words.
 
The best president was George Washington. He was extremely wealthy and influential under British rule. But he gambled everything, including his life, to create this nation - and then turned down the offer to be dictator/king.

The worst was the founder of the Democratic Party, Andrew Jackson - who defied the Supreme Court to put Native Americans on death marches to steal the land they owned.
 
Luther said:
Because they're not all "Right wingers"?
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Trump has very strong support in the Republican base (Republicans and Independents that almost always vote Republican), but has never built any support outside of it, so not sure what you are getting at there.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Trump has very strong support in the Republican base (Republicans and Independents that almost always vote Republican), but has never built any support outside of it, so not sure what you are getting at there.
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You mean there were no Democrats/Independents that vote mostly democrat in the states of Penn,, Mich and Wis that voted for Trump?
 
Luther said:
You mean there were no Democrats/Independents that vote mostly democrat in the states of Penn,, Mich and Wis that voted for Trump?
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Trump won with a lower percentage of the vote than what Romney lost with just 4 years earlier. He won because he ran against a terrible candidate and won Penn, MI, and WI because the minority base did not get out and vote for Hillary at the same levels they did for Obama in 2008 and 2012.

A hell of a lot more Democrats and moderate independents voted for Reagan in 80 and 84 than what voted for Trump in 2016. Comparing Trump to Reagan is almost as bad as comparing him to Lincoln, there is just no comparison.
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
Trump won with a lower percentage of the vote than what Romney lost with just 4 years earlier. He won because he ran against a terrible candidate and won Penn, MI, and WI because the minority base did not get out and vote for Hillary at the same levels they did for Obama in 2008 and 2012.

A hell of a lot more Democrats and moderate independents vote for Reagan in 80 and 84 than what voted for Trump in 2016.
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He won because he out duped Hillary with the people in those mentioned states with the mentioned people
 
narrowroad said:
who is best president ever?



1 George Washington

2 Abraham Lincoln

3 Donald Trump

4 JF Kennedy

5 FDR

6 can't decide between 2 and 3

7 other
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More accurate would be "so far", because we haven't reached the end of U.S. Presidents yet.

Personally of that list I'd choose FDR.
 
Jay59 said:
Obama had his points, but also his problems. His foreign policy was a disaster, he could not work with Democrats so forget anything bipartisan. More than anything he was a do nothing. The level of corruption in his highly placed officials is the worst scandal since Teapot Dome in the 1920s, basically Watergate on steriods.
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Corruption of his highly place officials?
Surely you Jest?
Who?
Convictions?
 
Mongidig said:
Obama created this partisan mess of a government we are in. He also created a lot of racism and divided the country. I'd rate him below Jimmy Carter as the worst President ever.
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He can't help the color of skin he was born with.

He didn't create the racism, it merely woke up.
 
dairyair said:
Corruption of his highly place officials? Surely you Jest? Who? Convictions?
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Are you being dense on purpose? The officials were implicated in the IG report, at least in part. The Grand Jury was recently impaneled. Look for trials in the new year.

It's telling that one of the officials under criminal investigation, Strzok, was also lead official on the Clinton investigation. It's enough to make you cynical about equal justice.
 
dairyair said:
Corruption of his highly place officials?
Surely you Jest?
Who?
Convictions?
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Jay59 said:
Are you being dense on purpose? The officials were implicated in the IG report, at least in part. The Grand Jury was recently impaneled. Look for trials in the new year.

It's telling that one of the officials under criminal investigation, Strzok, was also lead official on the Clinton investigation. It's enough to make you cynical about equal justice.
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If I am so dense.
You would have been able to list people and convictions.

Instead, all you could mount was a personal attack.

I accept your concession.
 
dairyair said:
If I am so dense. You would have been able to list people and convictions.

Instead, all you could mount was a personal attack. I accept your concession.
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There was no personal attack. I asked if you were playing dense for effect. You are dense if you want convictions before trials.

If you want names, consult the IG report for a starter group. There may be more coming.
 
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