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[W:40] who is best president ever?

who is best president ever?

  • G. Washington

    Votes: 8 16.7%
  • FDR

    Votes: 19 39.6%
  • JF Kennedy

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Donald Trump

    Votes: 6 12.5%
  • Ronald Reagan

    Votes: 4 8.3%
  • A. Lincoln

    Votes: 7 14.6%
  • can't decide between 4 and/or 5 and/or 6-or other

    Votes: 4 8.3%

  • Total voters
    48
  • Poll closed .
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Huh. I would have said Russia came out on top in DubyaDubya2, but whatever.
No doubt the US came out of it the strongest and healthiest, having taken the least damage.
'Course, I'm talking about Europe. Clearly WW2 in the Pacific was won by the US Navy. Hands down.

I wouldn't; though Russia was certainly one of the winners, the US definitely won more.
 
I am surprised that any Liberal would nominate FDR. He was probably the most racist president ever. Incarcerated 120,000 Japanese Americans. Killed all anti lynching legislation proposed during his administration. Refused to acknowledge or invite black athletes to the White House after the 36 Olympics. This included Jesse Owens who won 4 gold medals. Nominated known KKK leader Hugo Black for Supreme Court Justice. Refused Jewish refugees fleeing Germany asylum in the US. Kept the US military segregated. Allowed Russia to enslave much of Europe.

Not to mention his policies forced the US into war with Japan. His disregard of intelligence allowed the surprise attack on Pearl Harbor.
 
Lincoln, Washington are of course permanently in the conversation.

Teddy Roosevelt and Eisenhower are personal nominations from me.
 
Lincoln, Washington are of course permanently in the conversation.

Teddy Roosevelt and Eisenhower are personal nominations from me.

Roosevelt certainly is accomplished and belongs in the conversation. However, what do you like about Eisenhower?
 
Hardly. Trump is working to take back America from endless wars, and multinational companies trying to turn the American workforce into peasants.


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you forgot to say re the multination companies: they are trying to CONTROL everything. Do these liberals actually think we would be better off with THEM (huge corporations) controlling things in the US as opposed to Trump? Be careful what you wish for, liberals, you may get it.. you won't like it in the end
 
of course everyone has their own criteria when making these choices

I look at a person's integrity. The reason Trump scores high w/ me is because he is HONEST and does not back away from a valid fight (w/ fake news media or ..?)

But that would not be enough all by itself. He is also doing all kinds of good things to make this country thrive. And you know.. he reminds me of the Words Jesus said to those who do God's will

"You will be hated by all"

Mk 13
Mt (something or other) 19?
 
Roosevelt certainly is accomplished and belongs in the conversation. However, what do you like about Eisenhower?

He understood the importance of infrastructure and technological development, as well as the importance of a government invested in the advancement of education and scientific progress. While his foreign policy wasn't perfect, he understood the necessity of negotiations with the Soviets. He also understood the capability of American industrial and military power without trying to bully others into cowering before American interests. He knew government was a powerful tool for maintaining domestic tranquility without spreading its resources or attention too thin. And while he was slow on desegregation he understood the importance of enforcing Federal law and jurisdiction.

He wasn't perfect, but he was balanced, and he knew that neither extreme would suffice, nor did he allow it to compromise his principles.
 
I wouldn't; though Russia was certainly one of the winners, the US definitely won more.

How would you quantify it, numbers of enemy casualties? Land area 'liberated'? I mean, on D-Day the Russians were driving the Germans back across Poland and 80% of German casualties were on the Eastern Front.
 
of course everyone has their own criteria when making these choices

I look at a person's integrity. The reason Trump scores high w/ me is because he is HONEST and does not back away from a valid fight (w/ fake news media or ..?)

But that would not be enough all by itself. He is also doing all kinds of good things to make this country thrive. And you know.. he reminds me of the Words Jesus said to those who do God's will

"You will be hated by all"

Mk 13
Mt (something or other) 19?

Trump is honest? A couple weeks ago he was fined $2,000,000 because he siphoned money from his 'charity' to use in his campaign. About 11 grand of the money he used to buy Tim Tebow memorabilia at auction and 10 grand went to pay for a portrait of himself.

Donald Trump fined $2m for misusing charity for political ends | US news | The Guardian

That's just the most recent. Remember when he paid hush money to a porn star so she wouldn't say what he'd done with her?
Anyone who convinces himself that Trump is honest is badly deluding himself.
 
you forgot to say re the multination companies: they are trying to CONTROL everything. Do these liberals actually think we would be better off with THEM (huge corporations) controlling things in the US as opposed to Trump? Be careful what you wish for, liberals, you may get it.. you won't like it in the end

Liberals don't 'wish', they act. That's how you got all those rights and freedoms you love so much, liberals won them for you. Mostly liberals toss out bad laws when they get power, and mostly conservatives try to roll back liberal advances and renew those bad laws when they get power.
 
How would you quantify it, numbers of enemy casualties? Land area 'liberated'? I mean, on D-Day the Russians were driving the Germans back across Poland and 80% of German casualties were on the Eastern Front.

A combination of the long and short term consequences, as well as the extent to which they'd been harmed by the war. In the end, while both countries evolved into super powers largely off the back of WW2, only one endured.
 
oh great... the one who made government HUGE

although Johnson made it even bigger. Notice Johnson is not on list.

I tend to think Trump is the best yet.. lowest unemployment for minorities EvER

economy taking off.. wages rise probably more than ever

ISIS all but gone

head of ISIS DEAD

Right to Try

USMCA (which our low-approval-rate Congress has yet to pass bc it would be another win for Trump.. )

First of all, FDR was elected a record 3 times.

Also, via trump's cutting and running from Syria to help out his buddies, Putin and Erdogan, many Isis fighters were released from prisons being guarded by the Kurds - so trump has actually promoted terrorism.

How badly misinformed can trump worshippers be?
 
First of all, FDR was elected a record 3 times.

Also, via trump's cutting and running from Syria to help out his buddies, Putin and Erdogan, many Isis fighters were released from prisons being guarded by the Kurds - so trump has actually promoted terrorism.

How badly misinformed can trump worshippers be?

4 times.
 
oh great... the one who made government HUGE

although Johnson made it even bigger. Notice Johnson is not on list.

I tend to think Trump is the best yet.. lowest unemployment for minorities EvER

economy taking off.. wages rise probably more than ever

ISIS all but gone

head of ISIS DEAD

Right to Try

USMCA (which our low-approval-rate Congress has yet to pass bc it would be another win for Trump.. )

Every Republican administration since Nixon, if not earlier, has increased the size, scope, power, reach and cost of the federal gov't, esp Reagan & Bush, who made it HUGE.

You have no idea what you're talking about.
 
Every Republican administration since Nixon, if not earlier, has increased the size, scope, power, reach and cost of the federal gov't, esp Reagan & Bush, who made it HUGE.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Yeah, there was that addition of the DHS under G W Bush. Which is different, of course.
 


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This is gonna be fun!

Please let us know when you can factually prove your claims about trump to be true in post #7

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There are too many great presidents to really single out the best.

But, there are presidents who were a perfect fit for the time that they served.

1. Washington: He had the instincts that all great Generals had. His cat & mouse strategy of "fight and flee' against the British enabled the rag tag army to hold on long enough for the French assistance to arrive. As president, he formed the "cabinet of advisers" that is still being used today. He patiently stood clear of the congress and senate (for the most part) while they were going loggerheads over bills. Washington knew that they would eventually come up with something worthwhile and only vetoed two bills during his time in office.


2. Lincoln: A mixed bag of myths and fact. His view on black people wasn't exactly pretty, but at the same time, he hated slavery. He slowly evolved with his views on the intelligence of black people, but I think he was still of the mindset that blacks couldn't take care of themselves. I also think that there was no better man at the time for the office when it came to saving the union. He fired five "do nothing generals" before appointing Meade who finally took the Northern Army on the offensive. What Lincoln saw in General Meade and General Grant went against the grain, but you can't argue the results. His "Proclamation Of Emancipation" speech is still one of the most important in American history, but not for the reason a lot of people believe today. Britain and France were tinkering on the idea of helping the confederates to expand western their influences, and Lincoln knew this. Lincoln knew that the citizens of France and Britain were against slavery and endless wars. The "Declaration Of Proclamation" gave the war a focal point of ending slavery which the citizens of Britain and France were is support of.

3. FDR: OK....he was a big spender and I won't argue that point. But, he also initiated some of the best social safety nets ever for the American citizens. He was the working man's pit bull. His list of accomplishments will never be duplicated IMO.

4. Reagan: He was playing chess while the Soviets were playing checkers. His star wars (SDI) program was one of the greatest bluffs ever in geopolitical history and faked the Soviet Union into spending it's way into a massive debt. As a politician, he was polite and had a good sense of humor.
People might not have liked all of his policies, but they liked the man. Reagan swept 49 states in 1984, and I don't see this happening again any time soon



Just my opinion......your mileage may vary.
 
Every Republican administration since Nixon, if not earlier, has increased the size, scope, power, reach and cost of the federal gov't, esp Reagan & Bush, who made it HUGE.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

I know what I am talking about. I realize the Rs have helped the Ds make gov bigger but we cannot igrnore that the Ds are the worst of the worst when it comes to tyrannical govt
 
There are too many great presidents to really single out the best.

But, there are presidents who were a perfect fit for the time that they served.

1. Washington: He had the instincts that all great Generals had. His cat & mouse strategy of "fight and flee' against the British enabled the rag tag army to hold on long enough for the French assistance to arrive. As president, he formed the "cabinet of advisers" that is still being used today. He patiently stood clear of the congress and senate (for the most part) while they were going loggerheads over bills. Washington knew that they would eventually come up with something worthwhile and only vetoed two bills during his time in office.


2. Lincoln: A mixed bag of myths and fact. His view on black people wasn't exactly pretty, but at the same time, he hated slavery. He slowly evolved with his views on the intelligence of black people, but I think he was still of the mindset that blacks couldn't take care of themselves. I also think that there was no better man at the time for the office when it came to saving the union. He fired five "do nothing generals" before appointing Meade who finally took the Northern Army on the offensive. What Lincoln saw in General Meade and General Grant went against the grain, but you can't argue the results. His "Proclamation Of Emancipation" speech is still one of the most important in American history, but not for the reason a lot of people believe today. Britain and France were tinkering on the idea of helping the confederates to expand western their influences, and Lincoln knew this. Lincoln knew that the citizens of France and Britain were against slavery and endless wars. The "Declaration Of Proclamation" gave the war a focal point of ending slavery which the citizens of Britain and France were is support of.

3. FDR: OK....he was a big spender and I won't argue that point. But, he also initiated some of the best social safety nets ever for the American citizens. He was the working man's pit bull. His list of accomplishments will never be duplicated IMO.

4. Reagan: He was playing chess while the Soviets were playing checkers. His star wars (SDI) program was one of the greatest bluffs ever in geopolitical history and faked the Soviet Union into spending it's way into a massive debt. As a politician, he was polite and had a good sense of humor.
People might not have liked all of his policies, but they liked the man. Reagan swept 49 states in 1984, and I don't see this happening again any time soon



Just my opinion......your mileage may vary.

Trump is another Reagan but in some ways Reagan on steroids, so yeh, a landlslide could happen
 
who is best president ever?



1 George Washington

2 Abraham Lincoln

3 Donald Trump

4 JF Kennedy

5 FDR

6 can't decide between 2 and 3

7 other

Well, I think FDR goes down in history as the only president to have ever been elected to four terms. That accounts for something right there. And, I honestly believe that there has never been any other president who could have won four terms.
 
Well, I think FDR goes down in history as the only president to have ever been elected to four terms. That accounts for something right there. And, I honestly believe that there has never been any other president who could have won four terms.

yeh, right.. never mind the fact that a president CANNOT run that often anymore...

but hey, I am sure the not-so-well-informed appreciated your comments
 
Trump is another Reagan but in some ways Reagan on steroids, so yeh, a landlslide could happen

Lol. If Reagan knew what Trump was up to he'd turn over in his grave and puke.
 
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