[W:363]accepting gay as normal

[Bodi]

First cousins can legally marry in a lot of states, and their marriages have always been recognized by the US government. And the laws allowing them to marry easily beat down his biggest attempted argument, that marriage is about procreation, and our laws in some way represent that.

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I know but saying "sister" sounded like a potential incest insult so I used cousin instead... but you got the point, right?

 

[Bodi]

Who cares how many want to marry. I bet less than .5% of marriages involve cousins, but they are allowed to legally marry in many places.

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I looked it up a minute ago... it said less than 10% involve cousins... that seems high but apparently that is the stat.

 

[roguenuke]

I looked it up a minute ago... it said less than 10% involve cousins... that seems high but apparently that is the stat.

I think if a) include outside US, or b) includes far beyond first cousins alone. Several states prohibit first cousins from legally marrying, so overall for US cannot be that high.

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[Bodi]

I think if a) include outside US, or b) includes far beyond first cousins alone. Several states prohibit first cousins from legally marrying, so overall for US cannot be that high.

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26 states allow it....

 

[roguenuke]

26 states allow it....

But that would mean if it was 10% for all of the US, about half the states would average out to about 20% of their married couples being first cousins for that 10% to be accurate (unless the ones that allow it are all the most populous states and those not allowing it, the least, or at least states with most married people vice least making up that number (not exact at all, just estimating here). I just dont think 10% can be anywhere close to correct for the US and first cousins being married.

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[dixon01767]

You are welcome to pursue your support of incest marriage.


Lead the charge

And I'll notice you don't defend their exclusion or the gays preferential inclusion.

 

[calamity]

And I'll notice you don't defend their exclusion or the gays preferential inclusion.

Yeah, those gays have it made. :roll:

 

[dixon01767]

Post what society's motivations are, with them clearly written out and how all opposite sex couples fit those motivations, but no same sex couples can.

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Like I said, "Now its about helping gays feel better about their homosexuality." Extending marriage to just any two consenting adults would eliminate the preferential treatment for gays.

 

[vegas giants]

And I'll notice you don't defend their exclusion or the gays preferential inclusion.

I dont defend their exclusion. I'm fine with it. Ho ahead and march for these rights

 

[Da Mole]

Most people that are homophobic probably don't see themselves as homophobic...



Here we go... what gay people have meddled in your life? :lol:

What was the nature of their meddling?



They are not trying to force anybody to look at them in any way... they just want you to leave them the **** alone and stop trying to oppress them...



You don't sound like you are very comfortable with yourself, to be honest. Lots of worrying about non-existent threats shows a lot of fear.

I am not worried about gays invading my home or getting molested in the park. What does concern me is the slippery slope that follow the liberal agenda. The more you give the more they will want. where does it end and I think that it has gone to far already. You have your opinion and I have mine.

 

[vegas giants]

I am not worried about gays invading my home or getting molested in the park. What does concern me is the slippery slope that follow the liberal agenda. The more you give the more they will want. where does it end and I think that it has gone to far already. You have your opinion and I have mine.

Replace liberal agenda with civil rights. Then you are correct....the more you give them the more they want

 

[roguenuke]

And I'll notice you don't defend their exclusion or the gays preferential inclusion.

I also wouldn't protest a push to include them. In fact, I would support fighting for first cousins, basically any cousins getting married. Siblings and parent/child relations are a different matter. They are already considered immediate family, legal relatives. They dont need the recognition of spouse, because those have similar legal privileges. I also feel that families are in a much better position to groom, starting from a much, much younger age to put inappropriate pressure on such relationships. This is why I wouldn't support such marriages except on a case by case basis, if the people were not raised together and if they receive premarital counseling, including genetic counseling on chances of birth defects and what sort of genetic disorders run in their family, that are then much more likely to be passed on (some of these are currently in affect for cousins to marry).

Again though, I would not fight/protest a push for incest marriage, if they had some prerequisites. They are not however similarly situated to same sex couples.

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[roguenuke]

Like I said, "Now its about helping gays feel better about their homosexuality." Extending marriage to just any two consenting adults would eliminate the preferential treatment for gays.

No. You need to post society's reasons for marriage, all marriages, not your personal opinion about same sex marriages, to support that same sex couples are receiving special privileges.

What other couples are not given the right to marriage? Are you fighting for them to get that right? If not, why not? Are those couples restricted everywhere from marriage? If so, why? If not, why?

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[roguenuke]

I am not worried about gays invading my home or getting molested in the park. What does concern me is the slippery slope that follow the liberal agenda. The more you give the more they will want. where does it end and I think that it has gone to far already. You have your opinion and I have mine.

What slippery slope? What exactly do you imagine will happen by allowing same sex marriage that didnt happen by allowing interracial marriages?

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[vegas giants]

What slippery slope? What exactly do you imagine will happen by allowing same sex marriage that didnt happen by allowing interracial marriages?

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He is right. They will then demand full civil rights.


As they should

 

[Integrityrespec]

As long as the education system keeps the kids away from the christianity I am fine

That's a personal preference but a stupid statement. If not for religion the world would be a much worse place. The basic beliefs of Christian religion is kindness, compassion and caring for others. The Golden rule. Do unto others. Some folks may be able to do it a little batter but to say its bad is really stupid. Great example, take all the gays in world to a muslim country and see how that works out.

 

[Integrityrespec]

I am not worried about gays invading my home or getting molested in the park. What does concern me is the slippery slope that follow the liberal agenda. The more you give the more they will want. where does it end and I think that it has gone to far already. You have your opinion and I have mine.

I'm not looking to harm gay people and neither are most other people but. Being homophobic and not agreeing with that lifestyle are not at all the same thing. Homosexuality is not normal, sorry, just isn't. The biology doesn't fit.

 

[calamity]

I'm not looking to harm gay people and neither are most other people but. Being homophobic and not agreeing with that lifestyle are not at all the same thing. Homosexuality is not normal, sorry, just isn't. The biology doesn't fit.

"I'm not looking to harm gay people and neither are most other people but..."

:lamo

 

[vegas giants]

I'm not looking to harm gay people and neither are most other people but. Being homophobic and not agreeing with that lifestyle are not at all the same thing. Homosexuality is not normal, sorry, just isn't. The biology doesn't fit.

Christianity is delusional but if you keep it out of our face we will allow it

 

[vegas giants]

That's a personal preference but a stupid statement. If not for religion the world would be a much worse place. The basic beliefs of Christian religion is kindness, compassion and caring for others. The Golden rule. Do unto others. Some folks may be able to do it a little batter but to say its bad is really stupid. Great example, take all the gays in world to a muslim country and see how that works out.

Millions have been killed tortured and raped at the hands of Christian leaders.

 

[roguenuke]

That's a personal preference but a stupid statement. If not for religion the world would be a much worse place. The basic beliefs of Christian religion is kindness, compassion and caring for others. The Golden rule. Do unto others. Some folks may be able to do it a little batter but to say its bad is really stupid. Great example, take all the gays in world to a muslim country and see how that works out.

Or a much better one. We just can't know because we cant live simultaneously in both, with the knowledge of what life would be like in both of them.

Just 50 years ago, Christians in this country wanted gays rounded up and declared mental patients. A 150 years ago they could be killed. It was only less than 20 years ago, gays could still be thrown in jail in some states just for being gay, laws in place and fought to keep in place even in 2003 by a lot of Christians.

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[roguenuke]

I'm not looking to harm gay people and neither are most other people but. Being homophobic and not agreeing with that lifestyle are not at all the same thing. Homosexuality is not normal, sorry, just isn't. The biology doesn't fit.

Biology doesnt work that way. Pieces dont need to fit for same sex relationships to be normal.

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[Bodi]

I am not worried about gays invading my home or getting molested in the park. What does concern me is the slippery slope that follow the liberal agenda. The more you give the more they will want. where does it end and I think that it has gone to far already. You have your opinion and I have mine.

Yes. We do have different opinions. My opinion is that people deserve equal rights and your opinion is that people do not.

 

[Bodi]

What slippery slope? What exactly do you imagine will happen by allowing same sex marriage that didnt happen by allowing interracial marriages?

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I think that he is the one that compared necrophilia to homosexuality...

 

[dixon01767]

I dont defend their exclusion. I'm fine with it. Ho ahead and march for these rights

Ive come to accept that in our society the delicate sensibilities of homosexuals are more important than the wellbeing of children.