[W:3596] Arguments Against Same-Sex Marriage

[AGENT J]

Well, evidently it is an issue to the poster i was responding to. Its not always about you. And youll need to make up your mind, Have I not made my case or is my case a non issue?

in general per the thread topic and the post count being a whopping and entertaining 1500+ posts you havent made one single logical, rational, factual, and legality base case for any argument against dame sex marriage. Not one, hence the pages and multiple posters mocking your claims, pointing out the lies and dishonesty in them and exposing why they are meaningless to rights, facts and the legal marriage contract. I hope this thread goes another 1000 posts! So much butt hurt of equal rights is hilarious!

 

[CLAX1911]

There has already been a case where the lesbians break up, the mother of the child sues the other for child support, she is determined to have no liability whatsoever for child support and the state sues the sperm donnor for child support.

Shouldn't be able to see the sperm donor. But then again that has nothing to do with marriage.

 

[dixon01767]

in general per the thread topic and the post count being a whopping and entertaining 1500+ posts you havent made one single logical, rational, factual, and legality base case for any argument against dame sex marriage.

Dont confuse your inability to comprehend my arguements with me not making them.

 

[AGENT J]

Dont confuse your inability to comprehend my arguements with me not making them.

LMAO you said that line a bunch in this thread too but just like your arguments, it failed and was mocked many times also. Thanks for proving my point!

When you have ONE reasonable, logical, non-bias, non-selfish, non-arrogant, non-hypercritical, non-bigoted, non anti-american, non-anti-equality factual and legality based argument that matters to same sex marriage PLEASE PLEASE let us know . . . .ONE, thanks!

 

[dixon01767]

Shouldn't be able to see the sperm donor. But then again that has nothing to do with marriage.

Actually, if a woman has a baby through invitro fertilization, her married husband will be presumed to be the father. Unmarried man living with her will not.

 

[dixon01767]

LMAO you said that line a bunch in this thread too but just like your arguments, it failed and was mocked many times also. Thanks for proving my point!

When you have ONE reasonable, logical, non-bias, non-selfish, non-arrogant, non-hypercritical, non-bigoted, non anti-american, non-anti-equality factual and legality based argument that matters to same sex marriage PLEASE PLEASE let us know . . . .ONE, thanks!

You let me know if you ever get around to addressing ANY of my arguments because your labels are meaningless.

 

[AGENT J]

You let me know if you ever get around to addressing ANY of my arguments because your labels are meaningless.

And another dodge! AWESOME!
Yet not ONE single valid argument . . no surprise there. . thank you AGAIN for proving my point.

All your failed arguments have been addressed by me and or many others, much to our delight they all lost to facts tights reality and what a legal marriage contract actually is.

So here we are in the same spot, When you have ONE reasonable, logical, non-bias, non-selfish, non-arrogant, non-hypercritical, non-bigoted, non anti-american, non-anti-equality factual and legality based argument that matters to same sex marriage PLEASE PLEASE let us know . . . .ONE, thanks!

 

[CLAX1911]

Actually, if a woman has a baby through invitro fertilization, her married husband will be presumed to be the father. Unmarried man living with her will not.

Until he has a paternity test.

 

[dixon01767]

And another dodge! AWESOME!
Yet not ONE single valid argument . . no surprise there. . thank you AGAIN for proving my point.

All your failed arguments have been addressed by me and or many others,

Heres my argument and the post it was in response to. None of the resident simpletons have even attempted to address my argument. Let me know when you locate your nads and decide to do so.

Just to wrap it up Bhodi, my first post in this thread ( paraphrasing ) was that all American voters get an 'official say' on legal issues regarding matters of gay marriage by casting ballots for, or against, politicians/judges depending on their respective views and having an 'official say', as a vote is 'official', and it is how voters 'voice/say" their desires.

That would be the case in a few states that enacted gay marriage through legislation or a referendum. For all the rest of the country it was imposed by judges that are appointed. Giving voters no say whatsoever. In many states directly in opposition to what the votes in the states had said in referendums.

 

[dixon01767]

Until he has a paternity test.

And then, most frequently, they go to the invitro fertilization agreement, and again the husband is presumed to be the father

 

[Bodi]

I am not reading all of that... so I Agree.

Just to wrap it up Bhodi, my first post in this thread ( paraphrasing ) was that all American voters get an 'official say' on legal issues regarding matters of gay marriage by casting ballots for, or against, politicians/judges depending on their respective views and having an 'official say', as a vote is 'official', and it is how voters 'voice/say" their desires. Your argument seems to be that statement is inaccurate because only members of the legislative branch, and in some cases elected judges are the only ones who have the power to make/interpret said laws, and therefore are the only ones who get an 'official say' . You introduced that caveat in addition to my original post in an attempt to dismiss my stance as a falsehood based on those added criteria. I never stated all American voters get an 'official say' because they are empowered to make/interpret laws. So, when you claim I am incorrect that all American voters don't get an 'official say' on these issues, that is simply not a valid argument. A ballot vote is how Americans 'get their' official say' on issues. Point being, you seem to be arguing ( correct me if I'm wrong, as I certainly don't want to put words in your mouth ), that only legislaters and judges have an 'official say',and other voters don't get an 'official say', which I respectfully disagree with for the reasons I stated. The point of contention/disagreement here seems to be 'official say' vs 'final official say'. Agree or disagree ?

:lol: I am tired of my petty nitpicking... I agree.

 

[Bodi]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I know what your referring to, and I'm glad it worked out well for you. Mine was a civil issue also, but a different matter involving siblings and taking advantage an of elderly , incapacitated parent and a failed attempt at a money grab and warehousing a parent in a ****hole facility with resources who deserved the best treatment available per earlier family agreements.

That sucks... I assume that you were trying for the better care of the elderly involved and that you won that?

 

[CLAX1911]

And then, most frequently, they go to the invitro fertilization agreement, and again the husband is presumed to be the father

Well yeah, I don't know why that would work any differently with a same-sex couple.

 

[AGENT J]

Heres my argument and the post it was in response to. None of the resident simpletons have even attempted to address my argument. Let me know when you locate your nads and decide to do so.

Haha youve used the "nad" line before too, seems you need new arguments and material cause it all fails.

BTW this is easy and its not an argument just more hurt feelings and opinions. Your vote just like my vote isnt needed for a rights matter. see similar to loving vs Virginia. At the time of LvV more than 80% of the country was personally against interracial marriage. Did their feelings matter? nope because of the constitution and rights. The vote in the form of the people is already established via constitution and that was determined by like 100 court cases on THIS(same sex marrige) issue alone.

ooooooops what was that "kewl" line about nads? Looks like my nads were never lost and i just t-bagged your failed argument.
any other failed arguments i can easily destroy with facts? thanks for playing

once again here we are in the same spot
facts, rights, legality, legal marriage > than your feelings and opinions



When you have ONE reasonable, logical, non-bias, non-selfish, non-arrogant, non-hypercritical, non-bigoted, non anti-american, non-anti-equality factual and legality based argument that matters to same-sex marriage PLEASE PLEASE let us know . . . .ONE, thanks!

 

[RAMOSS]

Well yeah, I don't know why that would work any differently with a same-sex couple.

Well, there was a case in Kansas where the state tried to sue the sperm donor. they lost. Of course, that's Kansas for you. Brownback was not a good governor

 

[Lakryte]

Heres my argument and the post it was in response to. None of the resident simpletons have even attempted to address my argument. Let me know when you locate your nads and decide to do so.

That would be the case in a few states that enacted gay marriage through legislation or a referendum. For all the rest of the country it was imposed by judges that are appointed. Giving voters no say whatsoever. In many states directly in opposition to what the votes in the states had said in referendums.

Voters don't get to deny Americans the rights guaranteed by the 14th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States. The U.S. is a constitutional republic, not a direct democracy.

 

[JasperL]

I think it's because deep down, they know that being gay is shameful. And they also know that straight folks know this, too.

There's nothing better on the internet than someone making up a dishonest narrative about gay people, then someone explaining the made up and false narrative using degrading insults about gay people. Classic stuff.

 

[Logician Man]

That sucks... I assume that you were trying for the better care of the elderly involved and that you won that?

Oh yeah..It was all small town stuff. Everyone knew everybody kinda thing. My now estranged sis threw mom in a ****hole facility, moved into her house and turned it into a crack house with kids as young as 14 coming and going all hours of the nite....anything and everything going on....disgusting. I told the judge if she didn't do the right thing, I'd file an official disbarment with the state, as well as my sis's attorney who lined his pockets with well over 50,000 bux during the entire process. Plus I took that attorney aside during a break ( we went to school together as kids ), and told him if he didn't cut the crap, as I had had my fill of the nonsense, there would be hell to pay. Amazingly, after that break, I was awarded both guardian of the estate and the person, and the farce came to an abrupt end. Guess you could call ir one of those '**** with bull, get the horn' type of moments.

 

[CLAX1911]

Well, there was a case in Kansas where the state tried to sue the sperm donor. they lost. Of course, that's Kansas for you. Brownback was not a good governor

Well the fact that they lost is a good thing but it's probably a bad precedent to sue a sperm doner. But I have a suspicion that was all allowed due to personal views.

 

[RAMOSS]

Well the fact that they lost is a good thing but it's probably a bad precedent to sue a sperm doner. But I have a suspicion that was all allowed due to personal views.

The Kansas government was not particularly... hum.. rational. Brownback was a horrible governor, and drove the state into a huge hole.

 

[Bodi]

Oh yeah..It was all small town stuff. Everyone knew everybody kinda thing. My now estranged sis threw mom in a ****hole facility, moved into her house and turned it into a crack house with kids as young as 14 coming and going all hours of the nite....anything and everything going on....disgusting. I told the judge if she didn't do the right thing, I'd file an official disbarment with the state, as well as my sis's attorney who lined his pockets with well over 50,000 bux during the entire process. Plus I took that attorney aside during a break ( we went to school together as kids ), and told him if he didn't cut the crap, as I had had my fill of the nonsense, there would be hell to pay. Amazingly, after that break, I was awarded both guardian of the estate and the person, and the farce came to an abrupt end. Guess you could call ir one of those '**** with bull, get the horn' type of moments.

dang... that is a messy situation. Glad it worked out.

 

[Logician Man]

dang... that is a messy situation. Glad it worked out.

Yeah. I had to keep going back and forth between Colorado and SE OK., and I had a business to run as a one man show. Bottom line....everyone one knows, or should know, you don't pull that crap with an elderly, incapacitated parent. That's simply unacceptable, and quite risky when there are others in the family with higher standards.....thx Bhodi...

 

[Bodi]

Yeah. I had to keep going back and forth between Colorado and SE OK., and I had a business to run as a one man show. Bottom line....everyone one knows, or should know, you don't pull that crap with an elderly, incapacitated parent. That's simply unacceptable, and quite risky when there are others in the family with higher standards.....thx Bhodi...

Don't think that because we have had "a moment" that I won't screw around with you anymore!

 

[RAMOSS]

Yeah. I had to keep going back and forth between Colorado and SE OK., and I had a business to run as a one man show. Bottom line....everyone one knows, or should know, you don't pull that crap with an elderly, incapacitated parent. That's simply unacceptable, and quite risky when there are others in the family with higher standards.....thx Bhodi...

I keep on hearing tales like that, and it makes me so happy that 1) My sister and I are equally ethical about things, 2) My mother is mobile , and mentally alert at her age. and 3) Neither of us will be greedy about the estate when my mother passes.

 

[Logician Man]

Don't think that because we have had "a moment" that I won't screw around with you anymore!

LOL! Preachin' to the choir my friend. I was waiting for this post. Have a great day or night, wherever you are!