[W:3596] Arguments Against Same-Sex Marriage

[it's just me]

Here's one instance. My gay neighbors adopted and raised two very successful children, one who became a law enforcement officer, the other who is a succsessful prosecutor. Meanwhile, just last week, a man and a woman who who were in a monogamous marraige were sentenced to life in prison for torturing and starving their 13 children, two of which were found chained to their filthy beds like dying dogs.

Aside from the fact that I wouldn't take your word on anything, it's an anecdotal story. Then there's this:

Children raised by same-sex parents speak up for traditional families

 

[it's just me]

And behavior is also not orientation. Also not rocket science. Orientation and race are inherent traits though and that is where the comparison is valid.

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There is no proof of that, it's just a myth.

 

[Logician Man]

Aside from the fact that I wouldn't take your word on anything, it's an anecdotal story. Then there's this:

Children raised by same-sex parents speak up for traditional families

It was all over the news and can be easily googled for verification. You can either look it up, or continue to hide behind willful ignorance...your call.

 

[maquiscat]

Which is what you are doing which you somehow think is all right.

Again, if you do it, expect it back. You are receiving back.

However, what we are doing is not seeking to impose our belief upon you. You get to retain and act upon your beliefs. And we also get to retain and act upon our beliefs. Those acts end where they would impose upon the others' beliefs and more importantly rights. You attempt to narrow the definition to your belief only. We seek to have all the definitions recognized so long as it doesn't impose upon rights and is between consenting adults. What rights do you lose with SSM legal?

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[maquiscat]

Quit moving the goal posts. You have yet to explain how being black or female is the same as being gay.

But if you insist, it is well known that the best environment for rIsing kids is monogamous marriage between a man and a woman. This is well known although I'm sure you will deny it.

Hmm... let's see. What else has been well known? Earth is flat. Sun moves around the Earth. Women have to orgasm in order to get pregnant. The list goes on.

Stable environments are the best for kids, and that is not limited to straight couples. And given the rate that children are removed from straight abusive home compared to gay abusive homes, your argument gets more shaky.

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[maquiscat]

There is no proof of that, it's just a myth.

And there is that science denial. So when did you choose to be straight. Just the date will do.

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[maquiscat]

It was all over the news and can be easily googled for verification. You can either look it up, or continue to hide behind willful ignorance...your call.

Ok credit where due. The first assertion wasn't backed up with a link, his was. So as we often point out here, if you make the assertion, then it is your responsibility to back it up.

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[Logician Man]

Ok credit where due. The first assertion wasn't backed up with a link, his was. So as we often point out here, if you make the assertion, then it is your responsibility to back it up.

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I'm unable to post links on this device. That is why I suggested he google for verification.

 

[maquiscat]

I'm unable to post links on this device. That is why I suggested he google for verification.

You should at least note that, but the onus still remains on you. I understand though. Being on Tapatalk on my phone limits me a lot too.

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[it's just me]

And there is that science denial. So when did you choose to be straight. Just the date will do.

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Show me the "science".

 

[dixon01767]

I didnt say it was insurmountable but it is still at the foundation of the reason why close relatives marrying isnt legal.

I dont care at all if legal marriage is extended to close relatives. It's not like a piece of paper stops them from having sex or reproducing.

It stops them from sharing in the 1000s of tax breaks and governmental entitlements that accompany marriage. The criminal law prohibiting sexual relations between closely related people stops them from having sex. And that foundation was of traditional marriage limited to men and women because only men and women procreate. We are speaking of this new marriage that has nothing to do with procreation and everything to do with helping gays feel better about their homosexuality.

 

[dixon01767]

And there is that science denial. So when did you choose to be straight. Just the date will do.

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Most people are born with an overwhelming, biological attraction to the opposite sex which tends to deter any developement of an attraction to the same sex. Some people dont have this overwhelming biological attraction which simply allows a same sex attraction to develope. It does not dictate it.

 

[TheGoverness]

Well, like I said, it's not a universally agreed upon definition, but if we held open debates (irl) maybe we could work something out.

We've already worked it out.

There's nothing more to work on. Marriage is legal for same-sex couples now. That's how we've worked on it.

 

[RAMOSS]

Your religion is irrelevant when it comes to the rights of others.

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As is his. So why should HIS religion have say over my religious beliefs when it comes to marriage/?

 

[TheGoverness]

More people than you realize are "racial separatists". They might not say anything in public but in private they only want to associate with other white people.

I'm glad I'm not one of you.

 

[Obscurity]

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As is his. So why should HIS religion have say over my religious beliefs when it comes to marriage/?

Which religion is forcing you to be gay?

 

[dixon01767]

That's what they said to the women suffragettes and the blacks during the civil rights movement. Heaven forbid you demonstrate and demand your civil rights!! If we had waiting until "the South" was ready there would still be Jim Crow laws in place.

If gays are deserving of equality, they shouldnt have to wait even longer....esp. when it has zero affect on people like you. All you are claiming is "I'm uncomfortable with this!" Adaptability is a valued trait in humans...perhaps you/they should try it.

Blacks and women were denied the vote. Homosexuals never were.

 

[RAMOSS]

Which religion is forcing you to be gay?

None, but apparently, It's just me is trying to force my religion not to accept gay marriage.

 

[it's just me]

Hmm... let's see. What else has been well known? Earth is flat. Sun moves around the Earth. Women have to orgasm in order to get pregnant. The list goes on.

Stable environments are the best for kids, and that is not limited to straight couples. And given the rate that children are removed from straight abusive home compared to gay abusive homes, your argument gets more shaky.

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Considering that the number of gays raising children is minuscule compared to straights raising children, your argument is laughable.

 

[ecofarm]

Blacks and women were denied the vote. Homosexuals never were.

Can't vote in prison. Homosexuals were imprisoned for who they are longer than women and black people were.

 

[Lursa]

It's invalid because it's illogical. A behavior is not a race. This is not rocket science.

Being gay isnt a behavior, if that's what you're implying. Any marriage would include sex. Straight people have the same sex as gays couples if they want to.

But sexual orientation isnt about sex...a person is gay or straight whether or not they ever have sex or not.

And you cannot even claim that there is a requirement for sex in legal marriage...people can marry legally and never have sex.

 

[Obscurity]

None, but apparently, It's just me is trying to force my religion not to accept gay marriage.

You're enforcing your religious ethics and morals on others by denying them equal access.

Thus, you're infringing on their rights by exercising a "right" that does not exist for you.

Your religious right ends the moment it infringes on the rights of another individual.

This is not a hard concept.

 

[Lursa]

Number two, Lursa asked me what the difference between the so-called "gay marriage" and a heterosexual marriage is. I have already pointed out that the best environment for raising kids is a monogamous relationship between a man and a woman. This is well known, although I am sure someone will come up with some bogus "study" not based on history but politics to make the other side of the debate.

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Please provide studies that prove your claim here. Studies/research from accredited and peer-reviewed sources...not religious ones or far right conservative ones. Because the opposite of your claim has been found to be true.

And it has absolutely nothing to do with equality and legal marriage. There is no requirement to have kids in a marriage. We dont forbid sterile and elderly people from marrying. And many...many... gay couples choose to have families and do so anyway...and as mentioned, there's no negative factors found in that. But certainly their children deserve the same benefits and protections provided by the govt to married families and kids.

 

[RAMOSS]

You're enforcing your religious ethics and morals on others by denying them equal access.

Thus, you're infringing on their rights by exercising a "right" that does not exist for you.

Your religious right ends the moment it infringes on the rights of another individual.

This is not a hard concept.

It appears you are misrepresenting my position.

 

[dixon01767]

Considering that the number of gays raising children is minuscule compared to straights raising children, your argument is laughable.

Also considering that a single mother and single grandparent of her child joining together to raise the child is one of the most frequent and successful alternatives to a mother and father. This new "gay marriage" has nothing to do with children. Its about helping homosexuals feel better about their homosexuality.