[W:3596] Arguments Against Same-Sex Marriage

[TheGoverness]

No one is scared of them, they simply ruining the society!

Explain how the gays are ruining society.

 

[TheGoverness]

That is my man!!

So you're saying you are gay for God?

 

[Quag]

Explain how the gays are ruining society.

By making it

 

[TheGoverness]

By making it
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[dixon01767]

if the married couple adopts the marriage obligates the adoptive parents to the adopted child......

Nope. The adoption does. The obligations are the same whether they are married or not.

 

[dixon01767]

No, it’s not perfectly constitutional. Making that distinction does not further any state interest.....

Of course it does. It improves the wellbeing of children that only a heterosexual coupling produces. Children born to single mothers have a higher rate of poverty, juvenile delinquincy, drug and alcohol abuse, teen pregnancy, HS dropouts and criminal conviction as an adult. Thats why they had to characterize marriages limitation to men and women as an intent to discriminate against homosexuals. To "disparage and injure" homosexuals, motivated by an animus against homosexuals in order to find it to be unconstitutional.

 

[dixon01767]

What happened thousands of years ago, and what is 'natural', is not a basis for an argument over what should or ought to be done..

It is an argument for why what was done. Limiting marriage to men and women. And what should or ought to be done is the province of the legislature, not the courts who SHOULD only determine what the Constituion requires.

 

[maquiscat]

Maybe its because its fairly early morning but I actually thought you were talking about a religious based ride sharing app for a second there.

As I posted it, I wondered if anyone would make that joke. It wasn't intended, but then bad puns rarely are.

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[AmIsraelHai]

Same could be said of Uber Christians.

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Who are Uber Christians?

 

[AmIsraelHai]

I agree. But what is happening is we are trying to change a minority nature to that of the majority, much as we used to to with left handedness. We learned that was wrong, and now we are learning that trying to change a minority sexuality to the majority is wrong.

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Don't you think that this "minority" will turn very quickly to a majority?

 

[AmIsraelHai]

Explain how the gays are ruining society.

By changing the mentality of our kids. I child should have a mother and a dad. Not David as a dad, and Simon as a mom.
Don't you think?

 

[TheGoverness]

By changing the mentality of our kids. I child should have a mother and a dad. Not David as a dad, and Simon as a mom.
Don't you think?

Explain how the gays are changing the mentality of the kids.

There are kids raised by their aunts, or grandparents, and plenty of those kids turn out fine. What's the inherent problem with a child growing up with gay parents?

 

[maquiscat]

Don't you think that this "minority" will turn very quickly to a majority?

Nope. The vast majority of humans are already heterosexual, and show no signs of changing. I have yet to see any consistent signs of a person who has been persuaded to suddenly bat for the other team. I will say I am aware of a couple of isolated cases where due to rape trauma a person turned from what their attraction was then to the opposite, one personally. But I really doubt that even a significant minority of gays and bi are the result of rape trauma. Homosexuality occurs with about the same frequency as left handedness.

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[maquiscat]

Who are Uber Christians?

Ones who try to shove their particular version of their religion down other people's throat and have laws based upon those same religious beliefs. They are also the kind that will tell you that if you aren't their kind of Christian then you are not a true Christian.

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[maquiscat]

It is an argument for why what was done. Limiting marriage to men and women. And what should or ought to be done is the province of the legislature, not the courts who SHOULD only determine what the Constituion requires.

Marriage wasn't limited to men and women in all societies and in many others was not limited to one man and one woman. Even polyandrous societies exist to this day.

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[dixon01767]

I agree. But what is happening is we are trying to change a minority nature to that of the majority, much as we used to to with left handedness. We learned that was wrong, and now we are learning that trying to change a minority sexuality to the majority is wrong.

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Marriages limitation to men and women was never about changing homosexuals into heterosexuals.

 

[maquiscat]

Of course it does. It improves the wellbeing of children that only a heterosexual coupling produces. Children born to single mothers have a higher rate of poverty, juvenile delinquincy, drug and alcohol abuse, teen pregnancy, HS dropouts and criminal conviction as an adult. Thats why they had to characterize marriages limitation to men and women as an intent to discriminate against homosexuals. To "disparage and injure" homosexuals, motivated by an animus against homosexuals in order to find it to be unconstitutional.

I'm lost on where you stand with this post. Are you noting how the anti SSM people try to falsely cite studies comparing single mothers with heterosexual couples as some indication of why same sex couples are bad for children?

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[dixon01767]

Marriage wasn't limited to men and women in all societies

Yes it was........... Heres usually where they drag out their poster boys for gay marriage. Elagabalus and Nero.

It should be noted, however, that conubium existed only between a civis Romanus and a civis Romana (that is, between a male Roman citizen and a female Roman citizen), so that a marriage between two Roman males (or with a slave) would have no legal standing in Roman law (apart, presumably, from the arbitrary will of the emperor in the two aforementioned cases).[121] Furthermore, according to Susan Treggiari, "matrimonium was then an institution involving a mother, mater. The idea implicit in the word is that a man took a woman in marriage, in matrimonium ducere, so that he might have children by her."[122]
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I saw a cowboy marry a horse once.

 

[AmIsraelHai]

Nope. The vast majority of humans are already heterosexual, and show no signs of changing. I have yet to see any consistent signs of a person who has been persuaded to suddenly bat for the other team. I will say I am aware of a couple of isolated cases where due to rape trauma a person turned from what their attraction was then to the opposite, one personally. But I really doubt that even a significant minority of gays and bi are the result of rape trauma. Homosexuality occurs with about the same frequency as left handedness.

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My problem is not the homosexual them self. The freal problem is when the try to change the society, for example adopting kids. A child needs a mom and a dad. Not 2 dads where one of them thinks he is a she.

 

[dixon01767]

I'm lost on where you stand with this post. Are you noting how the anti SSM people try to falsely cite studies comparing single mothers with heterosexual couples as some indication of why same sex couples are bad for children?

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No, and I suspect they were comparing children with single mothers to children with their married biological parents, to show the advantages of biological parents raising their own children together. And your side repled, NOT TRUE, you just hate gays. Encoraging heterosexual couples to marry reduces the # of single mothers on their own with absent or unknown fathers. Encouraging two 18 yr old gay guys to marry doesnt do anything towards alleviating the issue.

 

[AmIsraelHai]

Ones who try to shove their particular version of their religion down other people's throat and have laws based upon those same religious beliefs. They are also the kind that will tell you that if you aren't their kind of Christian then you are not a true Christian.

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May you give me an example? because from what I know, each christian division is trying to do the same thing, which is spread their ideology.

 

[AmIsraelHai]

Marriage wasn't limited to men and women in all societies and in many others was not limited to one man and one woman. Even polyandrous societies exist to this day.

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You cannot change mother nature. To have a child you need a man and a woman. It will never change.

 

[TheGoverness]

You cannot change mother nature. To have a child you need a man and a woman. It will never change.

Homosexuality occurs in nature. In hundreds of different species.

 

[TheGoverness]

My problem is not the homosexual them self. The freal problem is when the try to change the society, for example adopting kids. A child needs a mom and a dad. Not 2 dads where one of them thinks he is a she.

It is preferable for a child to have exemplary guardian figures. They don't necessarily have to be a man and a woman. And it could also be one parent. Gay parents are not somehow inherently worse than straight parents.

 

[AmIsraelHai]

Homosexuality occurs in nature. In hundreds of different species.

It doesn't change anything... in order to have kids, we need men and women. Without one of them, there is no more life. Why would ruin the creation?