[W:3596] Arguments Against Same-Sex Marriage

[it's just me]

1.) rephrase all you want because much to our delight you will continue to be factually wrong LMAO . . you are the only one doing that stuff and thats the best part . . its settled already . . .the fact remains its still legal marriage
disagree prove otherwise in your next post . . . you cant
2.) who is trying to make you say it is? your approval isnt needed nor does it matter. Wow you certainly do make u a lot of retarded strawmen . . why so many lies and strawman? do you think they work?
3.) theres nothing to kid, equal rights won and bigotry lost, thats just facts.
4.) LAMO see#3 equal rights already won and nobody is interested in changing YOUR mind . . its not required.
Just like the people that see blacks and womans as lessers . . nobody cares about you, the law disagrees with your bigotry and equal rights won :mrgreen:

oh yeah dont forget, we'll be waiting for you to post one fct that supports your lies and makes them true, please do so now, thanks!

I'm still waiting for YOU to post one fact that supports YOUR lies. I'll bet you think the courts can repeal the law of gravity by declaring it doesn't exist, then replacing it with one of your claims about gravity being against equal rights.

You have no case. You are just trying to replace common sense with Newspeak and false equivalence.

Now continue your meltdown.

 

[AGENT J]

1.) I'm still waiting for YOU to post one fact that supports YOUR lies.
2.) I'll bet you think the courts can repeal the law of gravity by declaring it doesn't exist, then replacing it with one of your claims about gravity being against equal rights.
3.)You have no case. You are just trying to replace common sense with Newspeak.

Now continue your meltdown.

LMAO another dodge!!! just like i thought, this is awesome!
1.) what lie did i post? please woute it and prove its lie, thanks
2.) retarded claims like this are just further proof you have zero facts thats support your posted lies and I love it
3.) again "i" dont need a case, facts, rights, laws and definitions all support me while you have nothing but your feelings and want of bigotry to win . . . but it lost
4.) what melt down? you mean the facts that are destroying your posts? please quote my meltdown and prove it, thanks



so here we are again in the same spot
fact remains its still 100% real legal marriage

in your next post please post one fact that proves other wise and supports your lies, we are waiting, thanks!

 

[it's just me]

LMAO another dodge!!! just like i thought, this is awesome!
1.) what lie did i post? please woute it and prove its lie, thanks
2.) retarded claims like this are just further proof you have zero facts thats support your posted lies and I love it
3.) again "i" dont need a case, facts, rights, laws and definitions all support me while you have nothing but your feelings and want of bigotry to win . . . but it lost
4.) what melt down? you mean the facts that are destroying your posts? please quote my meltdown and prove it, thanks



so here we are again in the same spot
fact remains its still 100% real legal marriage

in your next post please post one fact that proves other wise and supports your lies, we are waiting, thanks!

You know, my granddaughter has a half sister who is on the autism spectrum and your claims about being an SJW ring false when you use words like "retarded".

 

[AGENT J]

You know, my granddaughter has a half sister who is on the autism spectrum and your claims about being an SJW ring false when you use words like "retarded".

BOOM! another dodge and more lies and deflection LMAO
i love it!

1.) Please quote me claiming to be a "SJW" . . oh wait . . never did thats just another lie
2.) what does your family medical conditions have to do with me using the adjective retarded? oh wait . . it doesnt

here we are again in the same spot
fact remains its still 100% real legal marriage

in your next post please post one fact that proves other wise and supports your lies, we are waiting, thanks!

 

[maquiscat]

It does do that... but not when it comes to marriage. Marriage of course is an economic institution.

Incorrect. The word marriage applies to multiple different institutions. Legal, religious, social. But I really doubt that economic is one of them. However the major point is that the word does apply differently depending upon context. Even among different religions (and for the sake of the argument, I will count different denominations and independents within a greater religion as separate religions) the word is applied and defined differently. There is no one use of the word, nor one definition.

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[maquiscat]

It's not 'close relatives' because as we've established, that's not discrimination, it's based on medical reasons. It's an arguable decision for the govt to hold onto, because testing would need to be mandated and would entail more bureaucracy to administer that...so not equally 'available' because it costs $$.

Medical can't be the reason either. First off there are still several possible combinations that would preclude procreation from occurring. Additionally, legal marriage does not require sex, nor does sex require legal marriage. It would be more legitimate to prohibit related couple's from breeding than from marrying.

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[RAMOSS]

Incorrect. The word marriage applies to multiple different institutions. Legal, religious, social. But I really doubt that economic is one of them. However the major point is that the word does apply differently depending upon context. Even among different religions (and for the sake of the argument, I will count different denominations and independents within a greater religion as separate religions) the word is applied and defined differently. There is no one use of the word, nor one definition.

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Even when it comes to any of those, the basis is economics. Legally, there are economic implications, Socially, there are economic implications and even religiously , there is economic implications. You might have various rationalizations to add excuses to it, but it's all about money in the long run. Even the religious aspects..you take away the window dressings, it's all about money and inheritance, and assets. In fact, one reason the RCC didn't want priests to get married is so they would leave their inheritance to the church, instead of their family.

 

[dixon01767]

I don't care. The government has no business governing with religious pretexts.

You dont care as long as the gays get their government licensing and regulation also.

 

[it's just me]

BOOM! another dodge and more lies and deflection LMAO
i love it!

1.) Please quote me claiming to be a "SJW" . . oh wait . . never did thats just another lie
2.) what does your family medical conditions have to do with me using the adjective retarded? oh wait . . it doesnt

here we are again in the same spot
fact remains its still 100% real legal marriage

in your next post please post one fact that proves other wise and supports your lies, we are waiting, thanks!

2. This girl is not related to me but her half sister loves her and I take offense to the hypocrisy of people who claim to be all about "equal rights" throwing language like that around, especially when they want to tell me how high and mighty, empathetic and concerned they are.

 

[dixon01767]

I was correct in either tense, as I just pointed out and you once again cut my response and didnt address it directly. :2wave:

There are no medical reasons. The topic is marriage. Not sexual relations.

 

[Lursa]

Medical can't be the reason either. First off there are still several possible combinations that would preclude procreation from occurring. Additionally, legal marriage does not require sex, nor does sex require legal marriage. It would be more legitimate to prohibit related couple's from breeding than from marrying.

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I didnt say it was insurmountable but it is still at the foundation of the reason why close relatives marrying isnt legal.

I dont care at all if legal marriage is extended to close relatives. It's not like a piece of paper stops them from having sex or reproducing.

 

[AGENT J]

1.). This girl is not related to me but her half sister loves her and I take offense to the hypocrisy of people who claim to be all about "equal rights" throwing language like that around, especially when they want to tell me how high and mighty, empathetic and concerned they are.

and another delicious dodge, more lies and more deflections!
but its funny destroying them all anyway!

1.) your personal offense over my correct usage of an adjective is 100% meaningless to me, especially with your bigoted views/incivility
2.) there is factually no hypocrisy in my usages of it
3.) imy usage of it factually has nothing to do with equal rights
4.) i have never told you that i am high,and mighty, empathetic and concerned I am

if you disagree with any of the above factually prove other wise

Well more of your retarded lies just got destroyed and once again here we are in the same place
fact remains its still 100% real legal marriage

in your next post please post one fact that proves other wise and supports your lies, we are waiting, thanks!

 

[Lursa]

Except for one thing: the left shoved this down our throats BEFORE it was "legal" with no legitimate reason other than "we want it". And you were one of them.

So we are doing what the moonbats on the left are doing to Trump - resisting.

That's what they said to the women suffragettes and the blacks during the civil rights movement. Heaven forbid you demonstrate and demand your civil rights!! If we had waiting until "the South" was ready there would still be Jim Crow laws in place.

If gays are deserving of equality, they shouldnt have to wait even longer....esp. when it has zero affect on people like you. All you are claiming is "I'm uncomfortable with this!" Adaptability is a valued trait in humans...perhaps you/they should try it.

 

[Lursa]

There are no medical reasons. The topic is marriage. Not sexual relations.

Cool. Then why do you keep on, over and over, discussing sex and reproduction in this thread, related to marriage? :mrgreen:

 

[maquiscat]

Even when it comes to any of those, the basis is economics. Legally, there are economic implications, Socially, there are economic implications and even religiously , there is economic implications. You might have various rationalizations to add excuses to it, but it's all about money in the long run. Even the religious aspects..you take away the window dressings, it's all about money and inheritance, and assets. In fact, one reason the RCC didn't want priests to get married is so they would leave their inheritance to the church, instead of their family.

By that argument, pretty much everything is an economic institution. So either we will have to disagree on the point or note that the issue does need to be refined down into the sub topics.

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[it's just me]

That's what they said to the women suffragettes and the blacks during the civil rights movement. Heaven forbid you demonstrate and demand your civil rights!! If we had waiting until "the South" was ready there would still be Jim Crow laws in place.

If gays are deserving of equality, they shouldnt have to wait even longer....esp. when it has zero affect on people like you. All you are claiming is "I'm uncomfortable with this!" Adaptability is a valued trait in humans...perhaps you/they should try it.

False equivalence. Everybody knows what a woman looks like and everybody knows what a black/brown person looks like. This is a behavior we are talking about.

 

[it's just me]

and another delicious dodge, more lies and more deflections!
but its funny destroying them all anyway!

1.) your personal offense over my correct usage of an adjective is 100% meaningless to me, especially with your bigoted views/incivility
2.) there is factually no hypocrisy in my usages of it
3.) imy usage of it factually has nothing to do with equal rights
4.) i have never told you that i am high,and mighty, empathetic and concerned I am

if you disagree with any of the above factually prove other wise

Well more of your retarded lies just got destroyed and once again here we are in the same place
fact remains its still 100% real legal marriage

in your next post please post one fact that proves other wise and supports your lies, we are waiting, thanks!

This is what I was getting at - you taking the mask off and not even making a pretense of caring about your fellow man. What you want is control.

 

[AGENT J]

False equivalence. Everybody knows what a woman looks like and everybody knows what a black/brown person looks like. This is a behavior we are talking about.

No its not a false equivalence since equal rights has nothing to do with "looks" :lamo
(also, your subjective feelings about "behavior" doesnt matter in this regard either)

WOW you just proved you are factually and monumentally uneducated about this topic lol

 

[AGENT J]

This is what I was getting at - you taking the mask off and not even making a pretense of caring about your fellow man. What you want is control.

aaaaand another dodge and retarded lie LMAO

here we are in the same place, fact remains its still 100% real legal marriage

in your next post please post one fact that proves other wise and supports your lies, we are waiting, thanks!

 

[CLAX1911]

I will rephrase: you can jump up and down and throw yourself on the ground and kick your feet and throw all of the temper tantrums you want but this so called "gay marriage" is not marriage anymore than boys are girls and girls are boys.

well it is marriage in the legal sense and that should really be all that matters to proponents of the same-sex marriage ruling. As far as whether or not you accept it as real marriage that really shouldn't be up for discussion you get to decide with you accept, and you don't have to. I'm not going to tell you you're wrong for not accepting it.

 

[Lursa]

False equivalence. Everybody knows what a woman looks like and everybody knows what a black/brown person looks like. This is a behavior we are talking about.

??? What does appearance have to do with equality? :doh

Equality covers things like age, religion, sex, disability, ethnicity, etc etc etc. It has nothing to do with 'looks.'

 

[it's just me]

well it is marriage in the legal sense and that should really be all that matters to proponents of the same-sex marriage ruling. As far as whether or not you accept it as real marriage that really shouldn't be up for discussion you get to decide with you accept, and you don't have to. I'm not going to tell you you're wrong for not accepting it.

Well it IS up for discussion because as a Priest in the one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, we believe marriage is a sacrament and if you expect us to recognize it as marriage it has to be administered as a sacrament.

Believe what you want, and I'll believe what I believe but don't bother trying to tell me what I should believe. Maybe YOU'RE not going to tell me I'm wrong but you're in a tiny minority.

 

[it's just me]

??? What does appearance have to do with equality? :doh

Equality covers things like age, religion, sex, disability, ethnicity, etc etc etc. It has nothing to do with 'looks.'

Think it through.

 

[Lursa]

Think it through.

That's not an answer...it's avoidance.

If you'd like to share how you've 'thought it through' that would at least be discussing.

 

[it's just me]

That's not an answer...it's avoidance.

If you'd like to share how you've 'thought it through' that would at least be discussing.

I don't know how to make this any simpler: race and behavior are not the same thing and I defy any one of you to prove they are. Oh, I know I'll hear all the standard talking points but talking points aren't proof.