[W:344:1201]License to Kill

[Quag]

Re: [W:344]License to Kill

That is an argument. Please apprise yourself of the difference.

No it is just a convoluted statement of your own personal subjective opinions, thinly disguised to look like an argument

 

[Quag]

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You conflate moral judgment and morality. I've explained the difference several times over. Please try to keep up.

False and it doesn't change that fact that your "argument" is nothing more than your personal subjective opinion or as you pretentiously call it your moral judgement

 

[year2late]

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Sorry, ladies. Your wishes aren't arguments, anymore than your contrary assertions. My argument stands unchallenged. Moral judgments are subjective, but they derive from a moral sense that is universal and objective, the morality innate to human beings, itself derivative of evolutionary biology. I understand why you don't like talk of biology and morality, but unless you have a counterargument to my argument or an argument of your own, you're just posting wishes.

Please stop applying your subjective beliefs to others.

 

[year2late]

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False and it doesn't change that fact that your "argument" is nothing more than your personal subjective opinion or as you pretentiously call it your moral judgement

Pretentious about covers it.

The arguments always remind me of the coffee shop gatherings of philosophy students....they wax on philosophic while they jam up tables leading to coffee house staff losing out on desperately needed tips. They think they are impressive yet all others are just rolling their eyes and jamming earbuds as deep as they can go into their ears.

 

[Scrabaholic]

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Sorry, ladies. Your wishes aren't arguments, anymore than your contrary assertions. My argument stands unchallenged. Moral judgments are subjective, but they derive from a moral sense that is universal and objective, the morality innate to human beings, itself derivative of evolutionary biology. I understand why you don't like talk of biology and morality, but unless you have a counterargument to my argument or an argument of your own, you're just posting wishes.

You failed to prove your contentions. No matter how much you strut around and poop all over the chess board, you did not win the game.

 

[Angel]

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Please stop applying your subjective beliefs to others.

You failed to prove your contentions. No matter how much you strut around and poop all over the chess board, you did not win the game.

"Good night, sweet ladies, good night, good night."
When you come up with an argument or counter-argument, we'll talk. Meanwhile by all means carry on talking to Quag in these hilarious sidebars about me. Quag has "argued" for the subjectivity of morality by citing a dictionary definition of "subjective"! Only on the Internet!

If you can identify the source of the opening quotation without googling you win some credibility with me. If then you can tell us which modern poet borrowed that quotation for one of the monumental works of the 20th century, all is forgiven.

 

[AGENT J]

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"Good night, sweet ladies, good night, good night."
When you come up with an argument or counter-argument, we'll talk. Meanwhile by all means carry on talking to Quag in these hilarious sidebars about me. Quag has "argued" for the subjectivity of morality by citing a dictionary definition of "subjective"! Only on the Internet!

If you van identify the source of the opening quotation without googling you win some credibility with me. If then you can tell us which modern poet borrowed that quotation for one of the monumental works of the 20th century, all is forgiven.

no "argument" counter to yours is needed because one hasnt been presented. Every claim you presented was defeated with FACTS by muitiple posters at every turn so its all on you. Untill you can prove morals are objective and that biology matters to morals your posts will continue to fail over and over. So please do so now, thanks!

 

[marke]

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So for the health of the mother.

Did I miss that they omitted what is probably a more overwhelming reason? Severe genetic and other catastrophic fetal defects?

More frequently than not, when a woman has a severe medical issue in pregnancy where the fetus is past the point of viability...they just deliver the baby early. Happens a lot.

When I was pregnant and my complications arose....I was told that if I got worse, abortion would be a possible choice....and would likely reverse much of my conditions. I was told later on that if I got worse, I would be rushed to the hospital to likely have an emergent C-section (meaning an intentional premature delivery) I was lucky enough to have great insurance and great access to well resourced facilities.

But like I said, it is funny that the reason many happen - the genetic or catastrophic physiologic condition is not really addressed.

And please don't bring up the intentional misrepresentation of Governor Northam's remarks.

Great White Throne Judgment:

Lord: 'Linda, I see you had your little boy killed while he was still in the womb.'

Linda: 'I had to, Lord. The doctor told me it was either me or the fetus.'

Lord: 'Really? That devil talked you into killing your boy Jimmy by telling you it was either you or Jimmy who had to die?

Linda: 'But he did, Lord. How is that my fault?'

Lord: 'Why did you choose yourself over Jimmy if that was the case? Don't you see how selfish and insensitive that is on your part.'

 

[marke]

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More like 29 weeks, according to the source I posted. (that fetuses feel pain) Show me an example of a woman actually aborting at 29+ weeks without compelling reason.

BTW, I believe the fetus is killed with a shot of some drug to the heart before the abortion begins. IIRC, Minnie has information on this.

Show me a woman who does not lie in order to get an abortion which would not be allowed if she did not lie, and I will show you a rare woman.

 

[AGENT J]

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Show me a woman who does not lie in order to get an abortion which would not be allowed if she did not lie, and I will show you a rare woman.

?!?!?!what LMAO

well that post just proved how severely uneducated you are about this topic . . wow

 

[year2late]

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"Good night, sweet ladies, good night, good night."
When you come up with an argument or counter-argument, we'll talk. Meanwhile by all means carry on talking to Quag in these hilarious sidebars about me. Quag has "argued" for the subjectivity of morality by citing a dictionary definition of "subjective"! Only on the Internet!

If you can identify the source of the opening quotation without googling you win some credibility with me. If then you can tell us which modern poet borrowed that quotation for one of the monumental works of the 20th century, all is forgiven.

When you come up with an argument that does not rely on subjective morality, let us know.

 

[year2late]

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Great White Throne Judgment:

Lord: 'Linda, I see you had your little boy killed while he was still in the womb.'

Linda: 'I had to, Lord. The doctor told me it was either me or the fetus.'

Lord: 'Really? That devil talked you into killing your boy Jimmy by telling you it was either you or Jimmy who had to die?

Linda: 'But he did, Lord. How is that my fault?'

Lord: 'Why did you choose yourself over Jimmy if that was the case? Don't you see how selfish and insensitive that is on your part.'

So you seem to be on board with the doctors in Ireland that allowed that dentist to get so sick with her pregnancy that she died. BTW, Marke, you do understand that when the woman dies, the fetus dies as well, right? God wants a twofer? Well God got a twofer.

Dentist denied abortion in Irish hospital was told 'this is a Catholic country' - Telegraph

In my case, if my situation advanced......the only thing that would have saved my life would have been ending the pregnancy. The goal was to keep me as well as possible to get as close to term as possible. The immediate goal was to get me to the fetal viability stage.

So I guess you would want your female family members to die than end the pregnancy that was killing them. WOW. God wants that?

 

[Angel]

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When you come up with an argument that does not rely on subjective morality, let us know.

Your posts are approaching the comedy of Pee Wee Herman at this point. I'll repost my arguments from earlier in the thread and juxtapose them with your mere assertions if need be.
It's all the same to me.

 

[year2late]

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Your posts are approaching the comedy of Pee Wee Herman at this point. I'll repost my arguments from earlier in the thread and juxtapose them with your mere assertions if need be.
It's all the same to me.

Repeating your subjective philosophy an morality? Go for it. It is kind of like mental masturbation for you. :lol:

 

[marke]

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So you seem to be on board with the doctors in Ireland that allowed that dentist to get so sick with her pregnancy that she died. BTW, Marke, you do understand that when the woman dies, the fetus dies as well, right? God wants a twofer? Well God got a twofer.

Dentist denied abortion in Irish hospital was told 'this is a Catholic country' - Telegraph

In my case, if my situation advanced......the only thing that would have saved my life would have been ending the pregnancy. The goal was to keep me as well as possible to get as close to term as possible. The immediate goal was to get me to the fetal viability stage.

So I guess you would want your female family members to die than end the pregnancy that was killing them. WOW. God wants that?

I don't see the logic in keeping the path open to the abortion of tens of millions of innocent babies just so a handful of women won't have to get special permission to have their babies aborted in order to save their lives.

 

[weaver2]

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I don't see the logic in keeping the path open to the abortion of tens of millions of innocent babies just so a handful of women won't have to get special permission to have their babies aborted in order to save their lives.

Sure, let them die. They're just women. Now if a man has a terminal disease we need some life preserving laws so his problem gets fixed with all due speed.

You know I don't think I've ever read anything quite as sexist and misanthropic as your post Marke. Congratulations!

 

[Scrabaholic]

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"Good night, sweet ladies, good night, good night."

I accept your concession.

 

[Scrabaholic]

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Great White Throne Judgment:

Lord: 'Linda, I see you had your little boy killed while he was still in the womb.'

Linda: 'I had to, Lord. The doctor told me it was either me or the fetus.'

Lord: 'Really? That devil talked you into killing your boy Jimmy by telling you it was either you or Jimmy who had to die?

Linda: 'But he did, Lord. How is that my fault?'

Lord: 'Why did you choose yourself over Jimmy if that was the case? Don't you see how selfish and insensitive that is on your part.'

You are presuming to speak for God? Isn't that against Biblical teachings?

 

[Scrabaholic]

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Show me a woman who does not lie in order to get an abortion which would not be allowed if she did not lie, and I will show you a rare woman.

Please try and make some sense.

 

[weaver2]

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Show me a woman who does not lie in order to get an abortion which would not be allowed if she did not lie, and I will show you a rare woman.

Who elected you to judge women about , their lives, their health, their pregnancy, their doctors, their finances and their morals? Is your life so honest, fair, kind, knowledgable and moral that you can afford to judge others?

 

[weaver2]

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Show me a woman who does not lie in order to get an abortion which would not be allowed if she did not lie, and I will show you a rare woman.

I see you haven't taken God's or Matthew's advice:

Matthew 7:1-3
Judge not, that ye be not judged.
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

I especially like "with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again". I'm hoping God is keeping track of all the hateful things and miserable lies you tell and has road directions to someplace warm.

 

[Angel]

Re: [W:344]License to Kill

Here is some of my argumentation for objective morality:

Emotion is the visceral neurophysiological, measurable and objective response/reaction of Man and Beast.
Feeling is the subjective awareness of emotion in Man and perhaps in Beast as well.

This is science speaking.

Morality Stems From Emotion
Emotion is the objective natural response of the organism to environmental and behavioral stimuli​

...
Emotion is a neurophysiological response to the environment and other animals.

Ted Talk
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Morality: It's not just for humans - CNN

Chimps and Bonobos Prove that Moral Behavior is a Product of Evolution

Primates, philosophers and the biological basis of morality: a review of primates and philosophers by Frans De Waal,

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.405.7958&rep=rep1&type=pdf

Finding Morality in Animals
Finding Morality in Animals | Greater Good

De Waal sides with Darwin: Morality is instinctual, evolved

De Waal sides with Darwin: Morality is instinctual, evolved

Frans de Waal's Bottom-Up Morality

Frans de Waal's Bottom-Up Morality: We're Not Good Because Of God : 13.7: Cosmos And Culture : NPR

Morality Stems From Emotion
Emotion is the objective natural response of the organism to environmental and behavioral stimuli​

...
The moral behaviour in human and non-human primates

[The moral behaviour in human an non-human primates]. - PubMed - NCBI

Empathy, Morality, Community, Culture -- Apes have it all

Empathy, Morality, Community, Culture—Apes Have It All - Issue 70: Variables - Nautilus

Animals Are Moral Creatures, Scientist Argues

Do Animas Know Right From Wrong? | Live Science

Evolution of morality
Evolution of morality - Wikipedia

All you do, in your reply posts, as in the posts of your sidebar associate Quag and in the rebarbative posts of AGENT J, is repeat the catchphrase "Morality is subjective!"
No argument. No counterargument. Just post after post reiterating the catchphrase ""Morality is subjective! Morality is subjective!"

Repeating your subjective philosophy an morality? Go for it. It is kind of like mental masturbation for you. :lol:

I accept your concession.

 

[year2late]

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I don't see the logic in keeping the path open to the abortion of tens of millions of innocent babies just so a handful of women won't have to get special permission to have their babies aborted in order to save their lives.

Most do not have abortion due to imminent risk of death . It is their decision not yours. Nor is it your decision when there a catastrophic fetal anomalies.

 

[marke]

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Sure, let them die. They're just women. Now if a man has a terminal disease we need some life preserving laws so his problem gets fixed with all due speed.

You know I don't think I've ever read anything quite as sexist and misanthropic as your post Marke. Congratulations!

No law was needed before Roe v. Wade for doctors to perform abortions to save the life of a mother. That is just a crap excuse for murdering tens of millions of unborn babies in the wombs of mothers whose life is not in danger.

 

[marke]

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Who elected you to judge women about , their lives, their health, their pregnancy, their doctors, their finances and their morals? Is your life so honest, fair, kind, knowledgable and moral that you can afford to judge others?

Who gave human judges the right to either condemn to death or save alive innocent unborn babies?