[W:312]Bill Barr Twisted My Words in Dropping the Flynn Case. Here's the Truth.

[Condor060]

Yes, I know. The opinion of someone from the DOJ who actually worked on the case is irrelevant to white wingers.

But, the opinion of random internet guys on what the FBIs job is, is more relevant than the determination of the actual FBI.

The arrogance of white wingers born out never knowing anything thus never knowing when they are wrong

The Flynn investigation was all tied to their Russian counter intelligence investigation. If you can't see how Flynn lying to the VP about conversations with a Russian ambassador is relevant to that investigation, I can't really help you. Possibly no one can.

They aren't required to remind you of your rights unless you're being forcibly detained, i.e. arrested. And deception with suspects isn't illegal, it's standard police work.

Yes, thank God the administration is a clown show and doesn't know what it's doing. At least in regard to covering up corruption. In the case of this pandemic their ineptitude has been devastating.

Until he went and lied to the VP and re-sparked interest in his involvement.

So why then in your last post did you say the original agents thought Flynn was being truthful? The agents you're talking about here are the same agents who said Flynn didn't appear to give any outward signs of deception. You guys don't even know the full details of your own conspiracy.

So he did make untruthful statements to FBI but only because he tripped and hit his head and forgot. I see.

Even after two weeks you continue to not know what that it. :lamo

You stridently displaying your ignorance of the law never stops being funny. I imagine you putting your fists on your hips and puffing your chest out when you're finished for maximum comedic effect.

:lamo

The opinion of black wingers and the NYT have no value. Sorry. You can't overcome the actual transcripts of Comey, Brennen, Clapper, Schiff, Storzk, Page, and Yates.

Just whats in the transcripts?

1. (quote) What is our goal? Truth, admission, or to get him to lie so we can prosecute him or get him fired?

2. Despite having the entire call transcript, the FBI decided it was somehow necessary to go ask Flynn, what happened on the call? The only motive would have been to get him to lie. Why would Flynn attempt to lie about a phone call he knows is recorded and in the possession of the FBI?

3. They advised him he didn’t need a lawyer present; we are just coming in to have a chat. Then they knowingly decided not to inform the DOJ of their intent to interview Flynn despite their own attorney at the FBI telling them to uphold protocol. They ignored their own attorneys advice and did it anyway.

4. Sally Yates (no friend of Trump) stated she was dumbfounded that the FBI did not adhere to their attorneys advice to notify the DOJ.

5. The FBI charged Flynn with the Logan act that criminalizes negotiation by unauthorized American citizens with foreign governments. A 200 year old law that has never been used to convict any American citizen. Not to mention, Flynn was not an unauthorized citizen. He was the National Security Advisor of the United States

6. After the interrogation of Flynn, Deputy Director Andy McCabe concluded he didn’t think Flynn was lying. But the case against Flynn continued.

You can twist around all you want but at the end of the day, you can't replace whats in the transcript. You want to call it cherry picking? Thats your own ignorance of what a transcript is. You can't blame anyone but yourself for that one.

Your black winger house of cards is collapsing right under your own nose and its just killing you. Too bad. After 4 years of continued fake accusations, fake investigations, and fake impeachments, you came up empty handed and now its time to expose how the party of black wingers tried to take down a sitting president.

I am going to enjoy watching the continued demise of your party.

 

[Moderate Right]

it's the most corrupt administration ever. there's really nothing else to say about it other than deflections, logical fallacies, and alternate realities. if someone wants to waste time on that, good luck.

I agree. The Obama deep state was far deeper than even I realized.

 

[Lutherf]

This is a friggin opinion piece at the NY Times. This does not mention the U.S. atty that Barr appointed to go over the entire Flynn case that was outside the beltway. Oh no. It was that attorney who spent several years in the FBI that concluded that Flynn should not have been charged. It was that U.S. atty that found the wrongdoing in the FBI in regard to Flynn.

This opinion piece at the NY Slime the same paper that published all of Comey's Op Eds...


What is going on right now is to trash Barr. Well he has justice on his side, justice exposes the truth and there seems to be a lot of people that are really afraid of that. To bad so sad...for you.

McCord, the one who authored this piece, was interviewed by the HPSCI on November 1st, 2017 and the transcript of that interview is available. Schiff goes into great detail with her regarding the Flynn situation. McCord suggests that it's Comey who briefed Obama on the call with Kislyak and that it was a "small group of top level FBI and DOJ officials" that settled on the Logan Act tactic. Later in the interview she notes that there was a lot of discussion regarding the efficacy of the tactic because the Logan Act was so obscure and had never been used before. She also notes that it's probably common for members of an incoming administration to have contact with their foreign counterparts.

I'll say this, Comey, who is DEFINITELY in on the Logan Act angle, is the same guy that unilaterally decided that no competent prosecutor would go after Clinton for disseminating classified information over unsecured networks...a crime that HAS been punished numerous times. It's further evidence that this "investigation" was politically biased against Trump and that agents of the intelligence and law enforcement branches of our own government acted based on that bias.

 

[Master Debator]

The opinion of black wingers and the NYT have no value. Sorry. You can't overcome the actual transcripts of Comey, Brennen, Clapper, Schiff, Storzk, Page, and Yates.

Just whats in the transcripts?

:lamo

You haven't read those transcripts and if you did you wouldn't understand what they mean.

 

[Condor060]

:lamo

You haven't read those transcripts and if you did you wouldn't understand what they mean.

Yeah, you must be right. I just got the EXACT information through osmosis.

I gave you 6 items found in those transcripts. You care to even try and dispute even one of them.

Nope. GUARANTEED you won't even attempt it.

Again, your opinion has no value.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Trump republicans are proving again that they are not for law and order. They are just supporting their favorite politician.

 

[Lutherf]

Alas, Ms. McCord spends way to much energy in denial of a pro Flynn position that Shea and Barr never ascribed to her, while trying to make sure that no one thinks she is remotely on Trump's-Flynn's side.

The psychology is quite typical of those loyal to groups; a willingness to criticize WITHIN the group BUT a fierce defense of the group from outsiders who might be saying similar things. In this instance Barr and Shea being the outsiders criticizing her people.

I read both the brief and much of the exhibits. I didn't see anything in those exhibits (official communications and reports) that contradict the brief. Nor did I see anything that misrepresented her opinions, which never did include whether or not she thought Flynn lied and/or should be prosecuted.

Clearly this is a person very worried about being mistaken for being on "the other team", and wants to make sure her "reputation" is sullied within overwhelmingly liberal legal profession.

Sad...but true.

If you read the transcript of her HPSCI interview she comes across ass being absolutely thrilled that she was included in the Comey, McCabe, Yates, Priestap, Strozk, et al club.

 

[Master Debator]

McCord, the one who authored this piece, was interviewed by the HPSCI on November 1st, 2017 and the transcript of that interview is available.

Ding ding ding ding.

I wonder how long it takes Condor to realize that one of those transcripts he's lauding is from the same op-ed writer he's poo pooing.

Ignorance personified.

:lamo

The opinion of black wingers and the NYT have no value. Sorry. You can't overcome the actual transcripts of Comey, Brennen, Clapper, Schiff, Storzk, Page, and Yates.

Just whats in the transcripts?

Why don't you read the op-ed from the person who gave one of those transcripts?

:shrug:

 

[Lutherf]

Ding ding ding ding.

I wonder how long it takes Condor to realize that one of those transcripts he's lauding is from the same op-ed writer he's poo pooing.

Ignorance personified.

:lamo



Why don't you read the op-ed from the person who gave one of those transcripts?

:shrug:

In your opinion, why did Comey feel that it was appropriate to investigate a possible Logan Act violation and to brief Obama on the plan but NOT to suggest prosecution of Clinton for a crime that HAS been used to SUCCESSFULLY prosecute multiple government employees over the years? Do you think politics or a motivation of allegiance to certain political persons may have influenced Comey's decision?

 

[element94]

This is a friggin opinion piece at the NY Times. This does not mention the U.S. atty that Barr appointed to go over the entire Flynn case that was outside the beltway. Oh no. It was that attorney who spent several years in the FBI that concluded that Flynn should not have been charged. It was that U.S. atty that found the wrongdoing in the FBI in regard to Flynn.

This opinion piece at the NY Slime the same paper that published all of Comey's Op Eds...


What is going on right now is to trash Barr. Well he has justice on his side, justice exposes the truth and there seems to be a lot of people that are really afraid of that. To bad so sad...for you.

You mean the New York Times that has been onto Trump's corruption for decades.

 

[Helix]

I agree. The Obama deep state was far deeper than even I realized.

Projection

 

[Rogue Valley]

Bill Barr Twisted My Words in Dropping the Flynn Case. Here’s the Truth.

Bill Barr Twisted My Words in Dropping the Flynn Case. Here’s the Truth.

Ms. McCord was an acting Assistant Attorney General for National Security at the Justice Department from 2016 to 2017.

Mary B. McCord.

By Mary B. McCord
5/10/20

At the direction of Attorney General Bill Barr, the Justice Department last week moved to dismiss a false-statements charge against Michael Flynn. In attempting to support its argument, the motion cites more than 25 times the F.B.I.’s report of an interview with me in July 2017, two months after I left a decades-long career at the department (under administrations of both parties) that culminated in my role as the acting assistant attorney general for national security. That report, commonly referred to as a “302,” is an interesting read. But the report of my interview is no support for Mr. Barr’s dismissal of the Flynn case. It does not suggest that the F.B.I. had no counterintelligence reason for investigating Mr. Flynn. It does not suggest that the F.B.I.’s interview of Mr. Flynn — which led to the false-statements charge — was unlawful or unjustified. It does not support that Mr. Flynn’s false statements were not material. And it does not support the Justice Department’s assertion that the continued prosecution of the case against Mr. Flynn, who pleaded guilty to knowingly making material false statements to the FBI, “would not serve the interests of justice.” I can explain why, relying entirely on documents the government has filed in court or released publicly.

Notably, Mr. Barr’s motion to dismiss does not argue that the F.B.I. violated the Constitution or statutory law when agents interviewed Mr. Flynn about his calls with Mr. Kislyak. It doesn’t claim that they violated his Fifth Amendment rights by coercively questioning him when he wasn’t free to leave. Nor does the motion claim that the interview was the fruit of a search or seizure that violated the Fourth Amendment. The department concocts its materiality theory by arguing that the F.B.I. should not have been investigating Mr. Flynn at the time they interviewed him. And perhaps more significant, it has no bearing on whether Mr. Flynn’s lies to the F.B.I. were material to the clear counterintelligence threat posed by the susceptible position Mr. Flynn put himself in when he told Mr. Pence and others in the new administration that he had not discussed the sanctions with Mr. Kislyak. The materiality is obvious. In short, the report of my interview does not anywhere suggest that the F.B.I.’s interview of Mr. Flynn was unconstitutional, unlawful or not “tethered” to any legitimate counterintelligence purpose.

If one were to accept Barr's materiality premise in regard to the Flynn counterintelligence case, then henceforth no American citizens could be interviewed by the FBI for counterintelligence purposes. Plainly speaking, Michael Flynn placed himself in a position to be blackmailed by Russian agents after they knew he had lied to VP Pence. Having a National Security Advisor in a compromising position is precisely one of the reasons why the FBI does counterintelligence work. Flynn not only lied to VP Pence, he also dug himself in deeper by lying to the FBI. No one forced him to do this. He could have claimed his Constitutional right to avoid self-incrimination. He could have simply not said anything. He chose to lie and then he plead guilty in court of lying to the FBI and of violating the Foreign Agent Registration Act law. The former DoJ DAG for National Security M. McCord says AG William Barr has twisted the FBI interview of Michael Flynn beyond all recognition.

Vote for your Democrat candidate for US Senate on November 3[sup]rd[/sup]​

 

[j brown's body]

Re: Bill Barr Twisted My Words in Dropping the Flynn Case. Here’s the Truth.

Of course. The whole point of this exercise is to rewrite history as fiction.

 

[Master Debator]

In your opinion, why did Comey feel that it was appropriate to investigate a possible Logan Act violation and to brief Obama on the plan but NOT to suggest prosecution of Clinton for a crime that HAS been used to SUCCESSFULLY prosecute multiple government employees over the years? Do you think politics or a motivation of allegiance to certain political persons may have influenced Comey's decision?

They're two separate issues and one has nothing to do with the other.

 

[Condor060]

Ding ding ding ding.

I wonder how long it takes Condor to realize that one of those transcripts he's lauding is from the same op-ed writer he's poo pooing.

Ignorance personified. :

If you actually thought that, you would have disputed the claims I made.

But like I said. You won't. GUARANTEED

 

[Lutherf]

Because they're two separate issues and one has nothing to do with the other.

The legal principle is 100% identical in both cases. Why would discretion be afforded Clinton but not Flynn? Why would that be the case ESPECIALLY when the statute Clinton is acknowledged to have violated HAS been used to prosecute cases and the one Flynn may or may not have violated (there was acknowledged discussion regarding the matter among FBI and DOJ officials) has never been used to prosecute anyone?

 

[ludin]

Re: Bill Barr Twisted My Words in Dropping the Flynn Case. Here’s the Truth.

She is simply trying to cover her ass at this point.

Durham is going full bore into this and will hopefully finally expose the truth.
Sorry Mary as the left always said if you did nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about.
we will investigate you until we find a crime and if you don't confess we will go after your family
until we find a crime there.

YOu will get the same treatment as you guys pulled on flynn.

then when you claim your rights were violated we will simply hand wave it off.

I love how the left of this country scream and howl when their own tactics are used against them as if
someone is doing something wrong.

maybe they shouldn't use those tactics to begin with. these people never learn.

If she was the acting AG then she should have known what was going on and she should have put a stop to it.
yep she is just trying to save her ass.

 

[ludin]

This is a friggin opinion piece at the NY Times. This does not mention the U.S. atty that Barr appointed to go over the entire Flynn case that was outside the beltway. Oh no. It was that attorney who spent several years in the FBI that concluded that Flynn should not have been charged. It was that U.S. atty that found the wrongdoing in the FBI in regard to Flynn.

This opinion piece at the NY Slime the same paper that published all of Comey's Op Eds...


What is going on right now is to trash Barr. Well he has justice on his side, justice exposes the truth and there seems to be a lot of people that are really afraid of that. To bad so sad...for you.

This is it exactly.
The NY time CNN spent the past 3 years pushing the russia narrative and it fell apart on them over night.
now the only thing they can do to save face is to try and trash barr again.

not that it will help the facts are out there and there is no stopping it.
no matter how much leftist want to screech.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Re: Bill Barr Twisted My Words in Dropping the Flynn Case. Here’s the Truth.

She is simply trying to cover her ass at this point.

Durham is going full bore into this and will hopefully finally expose the truth.
Sorry Mary as the left always said if you did nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about.
we will investigate you until we find a crime and if you don't confess we will go after your family
until we find a crime there.

YOu will get the same treatment as you guys pulled on flynn.

then when you claim your rights were violated we will simply hand wave it off.

I love how the left of this country scream and howl when their own tactics are used against them as if
someone is doing something wrong.

maybe they shouldn't use those tactics to begin with. these people never learn.

If she was the acting AG then she should have known what was going on and she should have put a stop to it.
yep she is just trying to save her ass.

Soooo..... now the DoJ under Barr is also corrupt.

Gotcha.

 

[ludin]

The legal principle is 100% identical in both cases. Why would discretion be afforded Clinton but not Flynn? Why would that be the case ESPECIALLY when the statute Clinton is acknowledged to have violated HAS been used to prosecute cases and the one Flynn may or may not have violated (there was acknowledged discussion regarding the matter among FBI and DOJ officials) has never been used to prosecute anyone?

if you remember that Stzok re-wrote comey's final findings to get Clinton out of legal trouble.
he seems to have a habit of editing things certain ways.

 

[ludin]

Re: Bill Barr Twisted My Words in Dropping the Flynn Case. Here’s the Truth.

Soooo..... now the DoJ under Barr is also corrupt.

Gotcha.

the facts say otherwise.

 

[jamesbyoung]

Re: Bill Barr Twisted My Words in Dropping the Flynn Case. Here’s the Truth.

The Judge will not care what the Trumpers want, only what the law requires.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Re: Bill Barr Twisted My Words in Dropping the Flynn Case. Here’s the Truth.

the facts say otherwise.

That's exactly what your post said. M. McCord is covering up.................??? Something!

Because in your world Barr just can't be a partisan hack for Trump can he?

 

[ludin]

Re: Bill Barr Twisted My Words in Dropping the Flynn Case. Here’s the Truth.

That's exactly what your post said. M. McCord is covering up.................??? Something!

Because in your world Barr just can't be a partisan hack for Trump can he?

Yep Mccord is simply covering her ass, because durham is going full bore to see who did what,
and who was involved and if their actions were illegal.

If she knew about the threats and the entrapment and she did nothing to stop it then yea she is in major trouble.

The only partisan hacks are the ones scrambling to cover their ass now that their lies have been exposed.
way to go barr to restore law and order back to our country.

 

[Airyaman]

Re: Bill Barr Twisted My Words in Dropping the Flynn Case. Here’s the Truth.

the facts say otherwise.

Link to the "facts"? Are those real "facts" or "alternative facts" from Kellyanne Conway?