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[W:295]Dr. Vladimir Zelenko has now treated 699 coronavirus patients with 100% success using Hydro

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Paradoxical said:
Of what, exactly? Watching some edited version of his daily briefings that were cut and spliced by someone like Jake Tapper?
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I stand by my original point about what kind of people think Trump is a smart man.
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
I stand by my original point about what kind of people think Trump is a smart man.
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Of course you do. Color me surprised.
 
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Thoreau72 said:
Well, one could say that his claims are backed by clinical experience, clinical trials conducted in his practice.

Surely not FDA approved, but clinical trials nonetheless.
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Nope, that is not even remotely correct.

Actual clinical trials involve rigorous protocols and documentation, to verify that a drug is safe and effective, and so that other people can replicate the work.

A family doctor who says "I cured 700 people with a 100% success rate," and has no evidence whatsoever, is the exact opposite of a clinical trial.


Sure, we don't have some government bureaucrat to bless off on his trials, but so what? These are dire times for those infected.
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Actually, that is exactly why we need to run trials. When we are so terrified that we listen to charlatans who sell false hopes, people get hurt.
 
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Thoreau72 said:
Well, one could say that his claims are backed by clinical experience, clinical trials conducted in his practice.

Surely not FDA approved, but clinical trials nonetheless.

Sure, we don't have some government bureaucrat to bless off on his trials, but so what? These are dire times for those infected.
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Using drugs off label is not a trial.
 
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Visbek said:
Nope, that is not even remotely correct.

Actual clinical trials involve rigorous protocols and documentation, to verify that a drug is safe and effective, and so that other people can replicate the work.

A family doctor who says "I cured 700 people with a 100% success rate," and has no evidence whatsoever, is the exact opposite of a clinical trial.



Actually, that is exactly why we need to run trials. When we are so terrified that we listen to charlatans who sell false hopes, people get hurt.
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Right now, there are a few dozen trials that will be done, and today, the large UMN study starts recruiting.

It’s ambitious, but they hope to finish by mid-May, and I’d guess we will see a paper by June.


Pre-exposure Prophylaxis for SARS-Coronavirus-2 - Full Text View - ClinicalTrials.gov

But until that happens, people need to STFU about it’s effectiveness and safety.
 
Re: Dr. Vladimir Zelenko has now treated 699 coronavirus patients with 100% success using Hydroxychl

Thoreau72 said:
Well, one could say that his claims are backed by clinical experience, clinical trials conducted in his practice.

Surely not FDA approved, but clinical trials nonetheless.

Sure, we don't have some government bureaucrat to bless off on his trials, but so what? These are dire times for those infected.
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Has nothing to do with bureaucrats. Let's start with this - how can you verify if any of his patients even had CV19? What test did he use to determine this? People present at the ER with lungs already compromises and CV19 can be diagnosed with radiological studies. How many of his patients had these symptoms, and how long did it take to clear, and what's his evidence? What were the patients' ages?

Etc.....................................

The point is there is no evidence of anything. If you want to believe miracle cure claims based on nothing, that's fine. You do you.
 
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snakestretcher said:
Yes, a degree in applied maths doesn't make one an expert in virology. However a degree in virology emphatically does make one eminently more qualified.
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A degree by itself, doesn't make one an expert on anything. Obviously you don't understand where the word expert actually means. A person doesn't need a degree to be an expert in virology.
 
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Thoreau72 said:
And, that is how "miracle cures" are discovered, like penicillin.

More and more are recognizing the therapeutic value of the chloroquine preparations. My mind is not made up. Why not let it play out?
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No one is suggesting that we shouldn't let it "play out." We all support actual trials, and I can speak for myself and tell you I support treating patients with the combo even without trials, or while we wait on the evidence from those trials. Doctors can make informed judgments with their patients.

But that's not the topic. The OP is about a single doctor who without offering a shred of evidence, not a single data point, nothing in the way of verifiable claims, is telling people through Rudy f'ing Guiliani that this in fact untested drug combination has a 100% cure rate, no hospitalizations, no intubations - i.e. that he's found a miracle cure! That is reckless and it's irresponsible for all kinds of reasons.
 
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Paradoxical said:
You are NOT for it. You are hoping he fails.
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what the hell.......?
 
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apdst said:
It's better to be lucky than good.
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I hope this isn't your life philosophy
 
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ldsrptcvt said:
Some people think that Dr. Trump came up with the drug cocktail himself. God, the only credit he gets is for speeding up testing.
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He pushed it because he's smart and heard the reports and consulted with his team. He is the leader.
 
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Paradoxical said:
He pushed it because he's smart and heard the reports and consulted with his team. He is the leader.
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He is the man with the title.

He’s not leading. He never does.

He made his position clear early on.

“Frankly, I take no responsibility at all”. What leader says that to the world in a crisis?????
 
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TomFitz said:
He is the man with the title.

He’s not leading. He never does.

He made his position clear early on.

“Frankly, I take no responsibility at all”. What leader says that to the world in a crisis?????
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What was he supposed to take responsibility for?? I have asked many here this question about 10 time and get crickets. Probably because all of you know by now I ask that you all back up your claims and opinions with actual facts and not from some blogger at the NY Times or WaPo who has a job not because he is an investigative journalist but is there because he hates Trump.
 
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Paradoxical said:
What was he supposed to take responsibility for?? I have asked many here this question about 10 time and get crickets. Probably because all of you know by now I ask that you all back up your claims and opinions with actual facts and not from some blogger at the NY Times or WaPo who has a job not because he is an investigative journalist but is there because he hates Trump.
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His statement was in response to a question about how much responsibility he bears for the abject failure of early testing in the US, and the foot dragging that went on for months about it.

You’ve really been whining about this for days and DONT KNOW THAT?
 
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Threegoofs said:
His statement was in response to a question about how much responsibility he bears for the abject failure of early testing in the US, and the foot dragging that went on for months about it.

You’ve really been whining about this for days and DONT KNOW THAT?
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You need to prove foot dragging. Please do that with facts and not opinions.
 
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Paradoxical said:
Seems like you would hate it if it was true because that would make Trump a pure genius.
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Seems you would love it if it were even partially true because you're so desperate for Trump to actually be right about something. Yeah?

But he's not. He's still an idiot.
 
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trixare4kids said:
I hate when people tell me what I think...No wonder debate is so bankrupt these days.

Try getting out more. ;)
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That's twice you failed to read correctly.
 
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apdst said:
It's better to be lucky than good.
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Sounds like the kind of dumb thing you would say.
 
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