[W:26] Roger Waters Address To The UN 2012

[oneworld2]

Here is Roger Waters speech on behalf of the Russell Tribunal to the UN in 2012

There's the expected focus on Israel/Palestine seeing as it was given as part of the UNGAs annual debate on this subject and is taken from the findings of the Russell Tribunal report on Palestine but there are also some comments on the framework of the UN itself which I say mirror my own views as to why it is in need of restructuring so as to negate the coercive elements that undermine its performance and any claim to legitimacy as the guardian of international relations

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DrSPFYXUfQ

It's approx 25 mins long

 

[Fledermaus]

Here is Roger Waters speech on behalf of the Russell Tribunal to the UN in 2012

There's the expected focus on Israel/Palestine seeing as it was given as part of the UNGAs annual debate on this subject and is taken from the findings of the Russell Tribunal report on Palestine but there are also some comments on the framework of the UN itself which I say mirror my own views as to why it is in need of restructuring so as to negate the coercive elements that undermine its performance and any claim to legitimacy as the guardian of international relations

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DrSPFYXUfQ

It's approx 25 mins long

Musicians posing as experts. Always entertaining.

 

[Fletch]

If Roger Waters wants to speak for 25 minutes on how he created the musical masterpiece that is The Wall, then I am all ears. But you would have to explain why this topic would interest me.

 

[oneworld2]

Musicians posing as experts. Always entertaining.

So if you are a musician you cannot be knowledgeable about anything else.............point noted and dismissed for the nonsense it is

 

[oneworld2]

If Roger Waters wants to speak for 25 minutes on how he created the musical masterpiece that is The Wall, then I am all ears. But you would have to explain why this topic would interest me.

Nobody has your arm up your back and it is in the correct subforum so ................ one wonders why you are here and why you posted in this thread if you have nothing to say about Waters speech and the information/themes it contains

 

[oneworld2]

So if you are a musician you cannot be knowledgeable about anything else.............point noted and dismissed for the nonsense it is

BTW I don't recall him claiming to be an expert in his speech , just a person who represented the findings of the Russell Tribunals report into Palestine and supports the BDS movement

 

[Fledermaus]

So if you are a musician you cannot be knowledgeable about anything else.............point noted and dismissed for the nonsense it is

Please share Roger Waters qualifications...

I am a Pink Floyd fan. I haven't heard that Roger Waters was a expert or even knowledgeable in the Middle East.

 

[Apocalypse]

Please share Roger Waters qualifications...

I am a Pink Floyd fan. I haven't heard that Roger Waters was a expert or even knowledgeable in the Middle East.

He's a rabid Jew hater so perhaps that means he's a political genius. Go figure.

 

[oneworld2]

Please share Roger Waters qualifications...

You don't necessarily need a qualification in something to be knowledgeable about it. You can do your own research and never take a formal exam. You will know this already but evidently will dismiss Waters position on BDS Israel/Palestine because it conflicts with your own

And again , where did I or he claim that he was an expert ? Why don't you point it out if you can or admit your own immediate resort to straw man tactics ?

I am a Pink Floyd fan.

Relevance to the subject matter of his speech ? zero

I haven't heard that Roger Waters was a expert or even knowledgeable in the Middle East.

So people need your endorsement do they ?

Why don't you actually respond to the subject matter of the speech he gave that was based on the opinion of some pretty distinguished experts in international law ? Or is it just easier to stick to your straw man argument ?

Have you even watched the link/speech ?

 

[oneworld2]

He's a rabid Jew hater so perhaps that means he's a political genius. Go figure.

from your link

The Anti-Defamation League said that Waters has a long history using these symbols in his concerts. “While we wish that Mr. Waters would have avoided using the Star of David, we believe there is no anti-Semitic intent here,” an ADL spokesman said.

The article also takes some lyrics from The Wall and , imo , avoids the context to portray a position that is the polar opposite of their meaning which is in fact the denouncement of racism and bigotry in all its forms.

The straw men continue along with the avoidance of the content of his speech.............. what a shock we are witnessing here so far :roll:

 

[Fledermaus]

You don't necessarily need a qualification in something to be knowledgeable about it. You can do your own research and never take a formal exam. You will know this already but evidently will dismiss Waters position on BDS Israel/Palestine because it conflicts with your own

And again , where did I or he claim that he was an expert ? Why don't you point it out if you can or admit your own immediate resort to straw man tactics ?


Relevance to the subject matter of his speech ? zero


So people need your endorsement do they ?

Why don't you actually respond to the subject matter of the speech he gave that was based on the opinion of some pretty distinguished experts in international law ? Or is it just easier to stick to your straw man argument ?

Have you even watched the link/speech ?

So far he isn't an expert.

And Pink Floyd is the band he was formerly a member of.

I am not going to wade through a twenty minute YouTube to glean what it is you believe to be important...

 

[oneworld2]

So far he isn't an expert.

Continued straw man as expected

And Pink Floyd is the band he was formerly a member of.

Relevance to the content of his speech ? zero............... distraction with no relevance

I am not going to wade through a twenty minute YouTube to glean what it is you believe to be important...

Nobody is forcing you to but when you state " I haven't heard that Roger Waters was a expert or even knowledgeable in the Middle East. " and then refuse to watch a speech given by him on the subject that just shows everyone just how seriously to take you imo

So far your input has consisted solely of a straw man so it's no great loss anyway

 

[marke]

Here is Roger Waters speech on behalf of the Russell Tribunal to the UN in 2012

There's the expected focus on Israel/Palestine seeing as it was given as part of the UNGAs annual debate on this subject and is taken from the findings of the Russell Tribunal report on Palestine but there are also some comments on the framework of the UN itself which I say mirror my own views as to why it is in need of restructuring so as to negate the coercive elements that undermine its performance and any claim to legitimacy as the guardian of international relations

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DrSPFYXUfQ

It's approx 25 mins long

Roger Waters is just another 'love terrorist Palestinian land grabbing squatters and hate Israel' mob-think moron.

 

[oneworld2]

Three members bothered to post . Three members targeting the messenger without , crucially , referring to the content of the speech.

Am I shocked by any of this ?

Nah

but you do have to laugh sometimes at the level of understanding on the other side of the fence.............. " terrorist Palestinian land grabbing squatters " lol

 

[Fledermaus]

Continued straw man as expected



Relevance to the content of his speech ? zero............... distraction with no relevance


Nobody is forcing you to but when you state " I haven't heard that Roger Waters was a expert or even knowledgeable in the Middle East. " and then refuse to watch a speech given by him on the subject that just shows everyone just how seriously to take you imo

So far your input has consisted solely of a straw man so it's no great loss anyway

So, nothing to point out.

Got it.

" Here is a YouTube. Watch it and try to figure out what is important"

Weak.

 

[Fledermaus]

Three members bothered to post . Three members targeting the messenger without , crucially , referring to the content of the speech.

Am I shocked by any of this ?

Nah

but you do have to laugh sometimes at the level of understanding on the other side of the fence.............. " terrorist Palestinian land grabbing squatters " lol

You haven't given me any good reason to watch the video...

You type long posts that state you won't tell us what is important in the video when you could have answered with a short explanation of what you found compelling...

 

[oneworld2]

So, nothing to point out.

Got it.

" Here is a YouTube. Watch it and try to figure out what is important"

Weak.

Nobody is forcing you to watch it but when you state " I haven't heard that Roger Waters was a expert or even knowledgeable in the Middle East. " and then refuse to watch a speech given by him on the subject that just shows everyone just how seriously to take you

Weak indeed

 

[Fledermaus]

Nobody is forcing you to watch it but when you state " I haven't heard that Roger Waters was a expert or even knowledgeable in the Middle East. " and then refuse to watch a speech given by him on the subject that just shows everyone just how seriously to take you

Weak indeed

Derrrr watch U Toob.....

 

[oneworld2]

You haven't given me any good reason to watch the video...

That's because I don't have to. People will either watch or they won't and I don't care if they do or not.

Serious people might actually watch it and contest or agree with its content and others , not to be taken seriously imo , will do what you have done which is to refuse to watch it but continue to post straw men arguments about the speaker

You type long posts that state you won't tell us what is important in the video when you could have answered with a short explanation of what you found compelling...

What I find important in it will differ from the next person and , as previously noted , nobody has your arm up your back to watch it. In the opening post I already stated what I found particularly interesting but you probably never read it properly hence your continuing ignorance of it

 

[oneworld2]

Derrrr watch U Toob.....

:roll:

 

[Fledermaus]

:roll:

:roll:

If you can't be bothered enough to "Readers Digest" the video I suspect you will get little response.

But, hey, it's your thread.

 

[oneworld2]

:roll:

If you can't be bothered enough to "Readers Digest" the video I suspect you will get little response.

If that's the case so be it. It's still there for posterity

But, hey, it's your thread.

It's a thread in a subforum , I don't tend to get overly possessive over trivia

 

[Fledermaus]

If that's the case so be it. It's still there for posterity



It's a thread in a subforum , I don't tend to get overly possessive over trivia

Playing to lose, eh?

 

[oneworld2]

Playing to lose, eh?

Just playing the put information up game. If people want to protect themselves and their beliefs by ignoring it I really don't see that as winning or losing. It's their choice to engage or not and I really don't lose any sleep over it tbh.

 

[Fledermaus]

Just playing the put information up game. If people want to protect themselves and their beliefs by ignoring it I really don't see that as winning or losing. It's their choice to engage or not and I really don't lose any sleep over it tbh.

Well, I gave a suggestion that might help you get more views. You chose to ignore it....

Carry on in failure.

I'm out of here.